Moore street sit in

downwesht · 08-01-2016 07:43PM #1

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

dodderangler · 08-01-2016 07:46PM

So let's just forget about 1916 then? Possibly the most historic day in Irish history? If that's the case why didn't we cancel Christmas and New year's and sure throw in Patrick's day aswell .
Yes it is terrible what's happened but post in on boards isn't going to help it .

Full Marx · 08-01-2016 07:48PM

madness wanting to knock down those historic buildings to put up another bloody shopping centre, all to benefit a corrupt Nama developer.

Guy:Incognito · 08-01-2016 07:52PM

Full Marx wrote: »

madness wanting to knock down those historic buildings to put up another bloody shopping centre, all to benefit a corrupt Nama developer.

Being old and happening to be next door to the buildings being restored as part of the 1916 works doesnt make a building historic or even worth preserving.

smash · 08-01-2016 07:55PM

Book your spots for the sit in... 3 for a fiver!

Mint Sauce · 08-01-2016 08:01PM

downwesht wrote: »

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

Whilst the government do waste money on the unnecessary, i would not put one of the most important days, in this country, and maybe the Islands history in that category.

Maybe instead of re carpeting the corridors of Leinster House, they could have put that money towards the floods instead.

Eugene Norman · 08-01-2016 08:06PM

downwesht wrote: »

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

It's typically Irish to not want to spend money on commemorations of independence, or major historical events.

20Cent · 08-01-2016 08:10PM

Most countries would preserve those buildings, have an interpretive centre and turn it into a historical tourist attraction. Our gov don't have the imagination beyond a shopping mall.

AMKC · 08-01-2016 08:19PM

dodderangler wrote: »

So let's just forget about 1916 then? Possibly the most historic day in Irish history? If that's the case why didn't we cancel Christmas and New year's and sure throw in Patrick's day aswell .
Yes it is terrible what's happened but post in on boards isn't going to help it .

Great idea I think we should cancel them 3 days they are all just commercial now anyways.

As for 1916 no keep that as that is an important event and day in Irish History.

gctest50 · 08-01-2016 08:21PM

20Cent wrote: »

Most countries would preserve those buildings, have an interpretive centre and turn it into a historical tourist attraction. Our gov don't have the imagination beyond a shopping mall.

More people would go to the shopping centre though if they bulldozed the lots and built one

Then you could have yer interpretive centre in the middle of the shopping centre

AMKC · 08-01-2016 08:24PM

Full Marx wrote: »

madness wanting to knock down those historic buildings to put up another bloody shopping centre, all to benefit a corrupt Nama developer.

Agree totally. That should not happen but the old Carlton cinema site certainly needs something done there. I agree that the important buildings should be kept as long as they have historical significants. If not the there is no point keeping them.

CatFromHue · 08-01-2016 08:34PM

I'm not fully sure what the people are protesting about.

The key buildings are being renovated as they're in a bad way at the moment but appears some of the protestors don't seem happy that they don't know exactly what's happening.

As Eirigi are involved I'm against them until they give a good reason for me not to be.

downwesht · 08-01-2016 08:39PM

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

20Cent · 08-01-2016 08:44PM

downwesht wrote: »

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

Old doesn't necessarily mean historic.

Nodin · 08-01-2016 08:45PM

downwesht wrote: »

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
"

You think that people might go down to the banks of the Shannon and protest until it stops flooding?

downwesht wrote: »

In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

What "lavish ceremonies"?

Nodin · 08-01-2016 08:48PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm not fully sure what the people are protesting about.

The key buildings are being renovated as they're in a bad way at the moment but appears some of the protestors don't seem happy that they don't know exactly what's happening..

Essentially they don't trust the renovators or the government not to destroy the place. Theres good grounds for this, given the dubious goings on over the site and given the fact its now FG in power.

CatFromHue wrote: »

As Eirigi are involved I'm against them until they give a good reason for me not to be.

It's not an Eirigi protest, afaik they invited themselves as per usual.

Richard Hillman · 08-01-2016 09:54PM

They went in to "inspect" the work being carried out. I didnt know these groups were amateur structural engineers along with legal experts.

My name is URL · 08-01-2016 10:04PM

In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.

A lot of those flood 'victims' have for years objected to the building of better flood defenses.

The government are now begging insurance companies to facilitate their idiotic decisions

Fcuk that. People care more abut 1916 than they do about stubborn **** who repeatedly ignore warnings

PARlance · 08-01-2016 10:13PM

downwesht wrote: »

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

Ah com'on, if you're going to present some sort of argument for a fiscal policy lead by a sob story priority list that the government should undertake, then you should lead it with a story about a kid with cancer or something.

Or do smelly carpets trump cancer?????

hatrickpatrick · 08-01-2016 10:27PM

gctest50 wrote: »

More people would go to the shopping centre though if they bulldozed the lots and built one

Then you could have yer interpretive centre in the middle of the shopping centre

Dublin is overrun with bland shopping centres already, why would one more be so much better than the others?

Nodin · 08-01-2016 10:34PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Dublin is overrun with bland shopping centres already, why would one more be so much better than the others?

According to this, theres more than renovation going on

Just before the Christmas break the Government voted against saving Moore St from total demolition. After which the High Court allowed a last minute challenge to works taking place at the 1916 National Monument 14 to 17. However, while information is still very sparse, today work began apparently gutting 7 of the buildings with a plan to demolish 2 either side of the National Monument. A commencement notice had been granted for surveying building features in the National Monument but the works seem to be far more extensive. Fronts are being removed and the interiors are being left open to elements.

"The “1916 Quarter Development Bill 2015″ quite simply would have meant that the 4 buildings which are part of the National Monument would not be surrounded by a shopping centre and the street would be preserved. I could not believe the Government would actively vote against this and pave the way for demolition of the street. We lost so much of Viking Dublin, Tara, the Mendicity Institution and we very nearly lost Kilmainham Gaol, are we now going to lose another significant historical area and for what – another shopping mall, another shopping centre in an area surrounded by shops and shopping centres when long time shops such as Clerys and Boyers stuggle/d to keep there doors open. While Nos. 14 to 17 Moore Street will be preserved as a national monument, that will be accompanied by the total obliteration of the laneways of history."
http://maureenosullivan.ie/latest-news/government-vote-to-demolish-moore-st/

We can add this on to this list of classic examples of "sure what is use for anyway?" decisions by Irish governments since the foundation of the state.

downwesht · 08-01-2016 10:49PM

Much of the country wouldn't mind if we lost Dublin as a whole!

twowheelsonly · 08-01-2016 11:41PM

downwesht wrote: »

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

History is what gave me the right and the ability to buy and live in that house in the first place.

I'm presuming that this is personal to you or someone close to you ??

Junkyard Tom · 08-01-2016 11:48PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It's typically Irish to not want to spend money on commemorations of independence, or major historical events.

Typically Irish of the Fine Gael type - their 1916 commemoration video was described by historian Diarmiad Ferriter as "embarrassing unhistorical sh*t" for including cameos of the British Queen and Prime Minister while the Easter Rising leaders didn't get a look in.

They're an embarrassment to this nation.

end of the road · 08-01-2016 11:48PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Being old and happening to be next door to the buildings being restored as part of the 1916 works doesnt make a building historic or even worth preserving.

all those particular houses were used. they also add character to the area especially if restored. we have plenty of shopping centres. and if not, plenty of places where they can go without destroying probably the most famous part of dublin

gctest50 wrote: »

More people would go to the shopping centre though if they bulldozed the lots and built one

Then you could have yer interpretive centre in the middle of the shopping centre

not really as there are plenty of more convenient, more accessible shopping centres in dublin all ready. also, there is the foreign tourist factor with this. foreign tourists aren't going to be attracted to some tinpot irish shopping centre as they would have plenty of bigger, better then anything we could build ones at home.

downwesht wrote: »

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

believe it or not there are multiple issues every day, all over the world. people can care about multiple things. yes its aweful what those effected by the floods are going through, but the world cannot stop turning and we can't sweep everything else asside.

downwesht wrote: »

Much of the country wouldn't mind if we lost Dublin as a whole!

well, that says more about them then everyone else. and yes, i'm from and live in a rural area way outside dublin

masti123 · 09-01-2016 12:00AM

They are going to demolish Moore street, the lanes, battlefield site and only preserve the shells of two of the buildings, shame shame shame.

Seriously - f*ck Fine Gael for letting this go ahead. We are going to have a parade and speeches about 1916, our history, how seriously the government is committed to Irish culture etc., etc., outside the GPO this Easter Sunday and right beside the podium there's going to be builders hoarding hiding the dump trucks that are carrying away what's left of Moore street while they build yet another cheap ****ty shopping center - further ruining the look of the surrounding 18 & 19C streetscapes.
The protesters calling it an act of cultural vandalism are absolutely bang on.

terenc · 09-01-2016 12:16AM

Moore street is a fecking kip street full of scangers selling anything from drugs to guns and as for the people hanging out ot the scaphling protecting these historical buildings give me a bucket . This street is a joke.

Shurimgreat · 09-01-2016 12:30AM

Let's be honest, these properties are only going to hold an interest for a few months next year and after that they and the surrounding buildings will be forgotten about and probably will not a major tourist attraction.

My understanding is there is a need to demolish ajoining buildings to help shore up the foundations of the main properties. I don't see the issue here other than some people trying to hijack it for publicity.

WoollyRedHat · 09-01-2016 12:31AM

Another shopping mall? **** me, we already have the monstrosity that is Ilac, we should be demolishing them, not building moore.

the groutch · 09-01-2016 12:32AM

look at Moore Street Mall, it's an absolute kip.
are they really giving two fingers to our national heritage for a similar waste of space?

end of the road · 09-01-2016 12:33AM

terenc wrote: »

Moore street is a fecking kip street full of scangers selling anything from drugs to guns and as for the people hanging out ot the scaphling protecting these historical buildings give me a bucket . This street is a joke.

have you passed any evidence of drug and gun selling on to the gards? or are you just making it up? at least those trying to protect our history care about something. some would destroy everything of our history if it gave them a quick buck. your right, something is a joke. its not those trying to protect these buildings however.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Let's be honest, these properties are only going to hold an interest for a few months next year and after that they and the surrounding buildings will be forgotten about and probably will not a major tourist attraction.

My understanding is there is a need to demolish ajoining buildings to help shore up the foundations of the main properties. I don't see the issue here other than some people trying to hijack it for publicity.

it would be more of a tourist attraction if restored and promoted properly then some tinpot irish shopping centre. the ajoining buildings aren't being demolished to help the foundations of the main ones. the only publicity being looked for here is the cause of protecting our herratige

Moore street sit in

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