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Leicester vs Munster match thread, Sun 20 Dec 5:15pm, BeeTee Sport

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    #122
    aimee1
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    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Winning the Pro 12 for either side won't cushion the blow I'd think


    of course it will to an extent. Its also important for seeding next yr.


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    #123
    irishbucsfan
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    It's the seeding that's most important. Being top seed for Europe would be very very beneficial.


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    #124
    CatFromHue
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    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Looking at the bigger picture, when certain players are back from injury, we are going to be ok in the forwards, but we need a prop, an inside centre and a proper full back for next season.
    It's a shame to say it, but Munster and Leinsters seasons are more or less over before Xmas.
    Winning the Pro 12 for either side won't cushion the blow I'd think

    Munster have 3 winnable games left in Europe which if they do win should get them into the QF's.

    I'm sure plenty of Leinster fans would be happy to win the Pro12 too, don't know about ye lot though.


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    #125
    Clareman
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    Isn't seeding based on finishing position rather than actually winning it? Anyway, we should be worried about qualifying in the top 6


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    #126
    aimee1
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Munster have 3 winnable games left in Europe which if they do win should get them into the QF's.

    I'm sure plenty of Leinster fans would be happy to win the Pro12 too, don't know about ye lot though.

    The only problem with Munsters last 3 games is they are 3 weekends running after back to back v leicester and then 2 interpro's. Thats a huge ask


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    #127
    aimee1
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    Clareman wrote: »
    Isn't seeding based on finishing position rather than actually winning it? Anyway, we should be worried about qualifying in the top 6

    AFAIK the Pro12 goes by playoff position not after 22 games
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_European_Rugby_Champions_Cup


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    #128
    lazybones32
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    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Looking at the bigger picture, when certain players are back from injury, we are going to be ok in the forwards, but we need a prop, an inside centre and a proper full back for next season.
    It's a shame to say it, but Munster and Leinsters seasons are more or less over before Xmas.
    Winning the Pro 12 for either side won't cushion the blow I'd think

    I'd like to see Sagario being given more game time specifically to see if he should be kept. We have a 12 (TB and a few who can cover there) but Saili will probably be given some time there soon, to see if being first receiver can spark him more.

    To win the Pro 12 won't satisfy the European ambitions of supporters but would be of greater financial benefit to any Province to even have a home Semi-Final. HC win money goes to the IRFU but gate receipts stay with the Club. The mark-up Clubs earn from sales of match programmes, food and alcohol is very good and is a much-needed source of revenue. Clubs can go from red to black if the fans do their drinking in the Stadium.


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    #129
    phog
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    I was happy enough with our performance yesterday, a few errors cost us tries and allowed them their two tries.

    I thought John Ryan was immense and I thought our pack did very well, Murray & Keatley not up to scratch. Scannell and JOD are really coming on well too.


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    #130
    Eponymous
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    lazybones32 wrote: »
    I'd like to see Sagario being given more game time specifically to see if he should be kept. We have a 12 (TB and a few who can cover there) but Saili will probably be given some time there soon, to see if being first receiver can spark him more.

    To win the Pro 12 won't satisfy the European ambitions of supporters but would be of greater financial benefit to any Province to even have a home Semi-Final. HC win money goes to the IRFU but gate receipts stay with the Club. The mark-up Clubs earn from sales of match programmes, food and alcohol is very good and is a much-needed source of revenue. Clubs can go from red to black if the fans do their drinking in the Stadium.
    Not for Leinster. RDS receives the money from the concessions.


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    #131
    CatFromHue
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    aimee1 wrote: »
    The only problem with Munsters last 3 games is they are 3 weekends running after back to back v leicester and then 2 interpro's. Thats a huge ask

    That's true but you won't be losing that many players to any Ireland camp and the first Euro game is Stade away. Win that one and I can see Stade sending their B team to Thomond and then you're left with an away game to Treviso who haven't won at all this season.


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    #132
    aimee1
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    That's true but you won't be losing that many players to any Ireland camp and the first Euro game is Stade away. Win that one and I can see Stade sending their B team to Thomond and then you're left with an away game to Treviso who haven't won at all this season.

    Losing Earls, Zebo, Kilcoyne, Murray, Ryan, Foley and possibly Stander, Cronin and maybe 1/2 others to the ireland camp in the week before european refix?


    Stade are still alive in europe with Munster and Leicester still to visit Paris.


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    #133
    Digifriendly
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Munster have 3 winnable games left in Europe which if they do win should get them into the QF's.

    I'm sure plenty of Leinster fans would be happy to win the Pro12 too, don't know about ye lot though.

    Stade away is a difficult ask as they have run into form in Europe albeit against Treviso but I agree that if Munster can win that game they have a good shot at making the latter stages of ECC. At the moment I would back Leicester to win all their games in this pool.


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    #134
    CatFromHue
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    I don't think Foley will be called up and can't see both Kilcoyne and Cronin called up either. Murray will be but TOL is there to deputise.

    So out of the 23 from yesterday maybe 2 from the pack (one LH and Stander) and prob 3 from the backs (Zebo, Earls, Murray).

    I dunno if Stade have played themselves into form either as Treviso have given up a TBP to their opposition in all of their games so far.


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    #135
    shootermacg
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    aimee1 wrote: »
    Losing Earls, Zebo, Kilcoyne, Murray, Ryan, Foley and possibly Stander, Cronin and maybe 1/2 others to the ireland camp in the week before european refix?

    I'd say ToL might go too, he's been very good since his return.


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    #136
    phog
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    WTV's Blog of the game


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    #137
    What The?
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    Anyone know if there's a place to watch the match back in full? Have looked online etc without luck.


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    #138
    Fireball07
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    First time able to post after the weekend- it was my first European away game bar finals & games within Ireland; Welford Road is a nice ground and the Leicester fans, in fairness to them, were universally nice.


    As for the match, it was disappointing. Again it's the little things- we seem to make vital errors much too often. Knock-ons & forward passes in the opposition 22, overrunning the ball, simple things. If Murray passes it backwards to Cronin, that makes it a completely different game. If Saili's intercept becomes a try, the same. But Leicester did deserve the win really- they have a bit more about them, they always looked more threatening in attack than we did.


    We needed to win really, do we look like beating Stade away in current form? Not really... without POM & TOD, we really look much weaker. And there doesn't seem to be much invention in the backline despite some very talented players there. When you have Zebo & Earls on the wing, they should be doing huge damage, they are excellent players. Conway is playing well too... but that would be my biggest worry from a coaching standpoint. Definitely not getting the best out of them. Can be hard if your pack isn't on top, but we don't even seem to be trying much beyond shunt the ball out to the next player.


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