Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Joeface

Kayla I think only realized the consequences of what she did/ said when put on the stand

(From the reddit Thread )
On the leg irons/handcuffs from Avery's house. They tested those for DNA and found a mixture of DNA from 2 or more people. They confirmed Avery to be a source of one of the matches. Most importantly, they excluded Teresa's DNA as a match. https://www.dropbox.com/s/6pjd6kpq5o5mx40/Dassey%20Trial%20Transcript.pdf?dl=0 Day 4/8/07.

retro:electro

Heat_Wave wrote: »

What are people's opinion on Brendan's cousin Kayla? Why did she tell police officers that Brendan told her that he did it, and spoke to her about the bones in the fire? Then turn around and claim she made it up.

It's all very weird.

Also apparently Steven bought the leg restraints and rope etc. 3 weeks previous to Teresa's death. Why wasn't this mentioned in episode 1 to 9?

What exactly are leg restraints? The rope can easily be explained, he works in a salvage yard.

Drumpot

Heat_Wave wrote: »

What are people's opinion on Brendan's cousin Kayla? Why did she tell police officers that Brendan told her that he did it, and spoke to her about the bones in the fire? Then turn around and claim she made it up.

It's all very weird.

Also apparently Steven bought the leg restraints and rope etc. 3 weeks previous to Teresa's death. Why wasn't this mentioned in episode 1 to 9?

Everything about this case is weird.

Had the police & state done their due diligence and objectively carried out their work in a trustworthy fashion, I think many would believe that the Avery family closed ranks and started to collaborate and mould their stories. But the police has no credibility and who would blame a family that's clearly being framed (whether guilty or not, evidence was invented) for a crime.

The police/state were less then honest in how they went about putting the case together. The Avery family looks like its extremely vulnerable to manipulation and suggestion from more intelligent people, including the news. Because of the way the case was handled, I wouldn't be surprised if the police/news helped her make up the story. This is really the problem. Can people say with confidence that the police didn't completely confuse the family as to what happened ?

I believe, beyond reasonable doubt, that this case was one big farce where neither side was completely believable and neither proved guilt or innocence . .

youandme13

I haven't seen any with Kayla yet but didn't her statement come about after loads of details were given out to the media? So in theory she could of made up her story based on what the police wanted reporting to the news.??

retro:electro

youandme13 wrote: »

I haven't seen any with Kayla yet but didn't her statement come about after loads of details were given out to the media? So in theory she could of made up her story based on what the police wanted reporting to the news.??

You wouldn't know what caused her to give that statement. It could have been an induced statement like Brendan's, or perhaps she was being threatened by Scott whom many believe to actually be the murderer. It seemed that she only realised the true implications when she was on stand, I believed her emotions.

Heat_Wave

anna080 wrote: »

What exactly are leg restraints? The rope can easily be explained, he works in a salvage yard.

I meant leg irons/handcuffs as the previous poster said. Apologies.

retro:electro

Heat_Wave wrote: »

I meant leg irons/handcuffs as the previous poster said. Apologies.

The handcuffs were for personal use. The prosecution found out that he bought this stuff and concocted the whole murder story around them.

Heat_Wave

Heat_Wave wrote: »

What are people's opinion on Brendan's cousin Kayla? Why did she tell police officers that Brendan told her that he did it, and spoke to her about the bones in the fire? Then turn around and claim she made it up.

It's all very weird.

Also apparently Steven bought the leg restraints and rope etc. 3 weeks previous to Teresa's death. Why wasn't this mentioned in episode 1 to 9?

I genuinely believe her story. She made it all up just so she could tell an interesting story. Standard behavior at that age. I really felt for her.

Hank Scorpio

Kratz back to work after all the sex allegations



He wasn't even the worst of them though, just good at manipulating people. These two are the ultimate creeps. Remember O'Kelly crying on the stand? Jesus wept.

Wtf was with Kelly crying on the stand about? A blue ribbon? I didn't get that at all

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wtf was with Kelly crying on the stand about? A blue ribbon? I didn't get that at all

More manipulative techniques. He was the same when he tried to get Brendan to take the blue ribbon with him after his forced statement and laying all the memorabilia on the table in front of him. It was just a manipulation technique to try and gain sympathy and stir emotion in the jury. Pure bull, he's an utter scumbag.

retro:electro

I hope this doesn't come across wrong, but did anyone else find Teresa a little strange? Her video was akin to a suicide note! It struck me as odd.

youandme13

What video about Teresa?? Sorry I'm just on episode 7 but I keep reading up stuff before I get to it as il be prepared watching then! Found ep 4 v v hard to watch of how they treated Brendan. Does anyone know how long ago was the last they filmed for this.. Any updates till now since the courts was nearly 10 years ago.. I know Obama came out and said he couldn't pardon but do ya think he'll ever do a full proper investigation into this and not with the type of police that caused this..

nc6000

youandme13 wrote: »

What video about Teresa?? Sorry I'm just on episode 7 but I keep reading up stuff before I get to it as il be prepared watching then! Found ep 4 v v hard to watch of how they treated Brendan. Does anyone know how long ago was the last they filmed for this.. Any updates till now since the courts was nearly 10 years ago.. I know Obama came out and said he couldn't pardon but do ya think he'll ever do a full proper investigation into this and not with the type of police that caused this..

In one of the earlier episodes it has some video of Teresa where she talks about how she would like to be remembered etc when she'd dead.

It's a bit odd. Not sure who recorded it but it doesn't seem right for someone that young to be talking like that.

retro:electro

nc6000 wrote: »

In one of the earlier episodes it has some video of Teresa where she talks about how she would like to be remembered etc when she'd dead.

It's a bit odd. Not sure who recorded it but it doesn't seem right for someone that young to be talking like that.

They also play it again, a more lengthy version, right before Steven's sentencing. Very odd video

Heat_Wave

I think Teresa's video was shown in episode 1 or 2, and it definitely came across as a 'farewell' suicidal video.

I am 60/40 on this. 60% of the opinion that Steven and Brendan are innocent, and 40% guilty.

The saddest part for me was Brendan's appearance in episode 10. I couldn't believe the amount of weight he had gained. I feel so, so sorry for him.

youandme13

Oh ok thanks, I missed episode 2 but seen the rest of them was filled in but obviously forgot that part! Thanks.

It is weird but I wonder did they ever look into her life as to why she wanted that, anyone she didn't get on with etc.. I know her ex was never once considered a suspect or anyone else she knows...

retro:electro

Heat_Wave wrote: »

I think Teresa's video was shown in episode 1 or 2, and it definitely came across as a 'farewell' suicidal video.

I am 60/40 on this. 60% of the opinion that Steven and Brendan are innocent, and 40% guilty.

The saddest part for me was Brendan's appearance in episode 10. I couldn't believe the amount of weight he had gained. I feel so, so sorry for him.

I felt the same his appearance made me cry. I've never been so affected by a person in a documentary before my heart is actually bruised because of it!

Molecule

nc6000 wrote: »

In one of the earlier episodes it has some video of Teresa where she talks about how she would like to be remembered etc when she'd dead.

It's a bit odd. Not sure who recorded it but it doesn't seem right for someone that young to be talking like that.

One of my theories is that she wasn't murdered at all. Maybe it was suicide, or even an accident/death from natural causes (the fact that she'd been shot in the head suggests suicide as the most likely but could've been postmortem). The cops were looking for her and knew that she'd been at Avery's place last. Then when they find her dead, they realise that this is a golden opportunity to set him up and therefore rid themselves of a nasty lawsuit. They have the body cremated and plant 'evidence' at the salvage yard. Maybe some of her family are in on this, and that accounts for their odd behaviour (I say "their" but I'm specifically talking about the brother). This is wild conjecture of course, but I feel that it's more likely than her having been murdered.

jayo26

youandme13 wrote: »

Oh ok thanks, I missed episode 2 but seen the rest of them was filled in but obviously forgot that part! Thanks.

It is weird but I wonder did they ever look into her life as to why she wanted that, anyone she didn't get on with etc.. I know her ex was never once considered a suspect or anyone else she knows...

Maybe you haven't reached it but this point was argued by defence that they ignored all the usual suspects didn't even interview her ex as a suspect they just assumed it was avery from the start.

jayo26

anna080 wrote: »

I'm not familiar with the technical language of it, but from what I've read I believe the judge had some order in place which therefore prevented anyone else being investigated after Steven's arrest

Couldn't see his been true but maybe I'm wrong I don't see how a judge can stop them from looking at other suspects, eitherway other suspects should of been looked at from start before it went to court or a judge.

JaCrispy

Finding it hard to see how people think he is innocent.
Firstly he was the last person to see her alive. All the evidence (circumstantial or not) points to Steven.

It would take the collusion of so many people (different police jurisdictions, crime scene guys and FBI) to point the finger at him.

I don't think the police really know 100% what happened, e.g. where she was killed but the defences argument was ludicrous. That somebody else murdered Halbach in such a way it would incriminate Avery. Absurd conclusion.

Mistakes were made all over the place but ultimately, the right man was given the right sentence.

anna080

anna080 wrote: »

More manipulative techniques. He was the same when he tried to get Brendan to take the blue ribbon with him after his forced statement and laying all the memorabilia on the table in front of him. It was just a manipulation technique to try and gain sympathy and stir emotion in the jury. Pure bull, he's an utter scumbag.

But what is the significance of the blue ribbon?

Which episode is Steven convicted in? I think I missed that one...

PressRun

Deleted User wrote: »

But what is the significance of the blue ribbon?

I think it was hung up around the neighbourhood or something when they were searching for Teresa.

JaCrispy

Deleted User wrote: »

Which episode is Steven convicted in? I think I missed that one...

8 i think

Trigger

About TH's Video that was played in the show, I've seen comments on reddit and other sites that is was stated that this was for a school project. haven't seen anything to back that up though, its one of the pieces that I will be keeping an eye on.

Trigger

Deleted User wrote: »

But what is the significance of the blue ribbon?

They where put up around TH's church at the time of the investigation. Like we would do with flowers on a scene

lukesmom

Just finished all ten episodes over two days. Infuriating. I wanted to throw something at the tv. How could they get away with this. The interviewing of Brendan Dassey was horrificly wrong wrong wrong. So wrong.

lukesmom

anna080 wrote: »

I hope this doesn't come across wrong, but did anyone else find Teresa a little strange? Her video was akin to a suicide note! It struck me as odd.

Yes very very odd. It was almost as if she knew she was going to die. Very strange and eerie at the same time. Why would a young woman make a video like that???