Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Thepoet85

Ageyev wrote:

The Dassey confession tape wasn't used as evidence. The prosecution up until the 11th hour hadn't confirmed whether or not they would call Brendan as a witness (they didn't). Kratz used some of the details in the March 2006 press conference. Bobby Dassey gave testimony however and the tape was played at Brendan's trial.

Ah ok. I wasn't sure on that point. Hopefully he will get a fair retrial.

Ageyev

President responds to petition for a pardon, informs the 130,000 people who signed it that Avery is a state prisoner not federal prisoner ergo the president cannot pardon - http://gawker.com/white-house-to-making-a-murderer-fans-we-cant-pardon-a-1751876957?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

adox

The Raptor wrote: »

Good enough for him. He deserves it. I believe in karma and nothing good will ever come from their actions.

What an absolutely sh1tty thing to say.

Thepoet85

Ageyev wrote:

President responds to petition for a pardon, informs the 130,000 people who signed it that Avery is a state prisoner not federal prisoner ergo the president cannot pardon -

Saw a new petition asking for an investigation into the county sheriff departments handling of the case.

PLL

Just finished watching last night. Felt emotionally drained and sick towards the end. When Brendan Dassey was on the stand talking about people calling him fat it really hit home how he was a child that wasn't given a chance. Len & O'Kelly are animals. Whilst watching O'Kelly force that written confession and making him draw those things I got really confused, I even asked my oh was he a cop or something, I was gobsmacked that was his defence team.

There are just so many things that don't add up, either way their trials were in no way fair and as mentioned in the documentary they have a right as part of the Constitution to a fair trial. It doesn't matter if the docu is biased, like Strang has said in interviews that isn't the point of it, the point is the corruption.

I agree I don't think Avery will see a re-trial, too much for the state of Wisconsin to lose.
Hopefully Dassey will due to the federal issue of his scum lawyer not being present in that very sad interrogation.

The photos they showed of them at the end were nice, that sounds a bit strange, but I interpreted them as been taken for the documentary and therefore at this point they knew that a major producer was telling the world their story and that might somehow give them hope.

The seem like such simple men, obviously low im intelligence not capable of this and just wanting simple lives. Might not be from the most respected or liked family in the town but that doesn't mean they're likely to become murders.

Judge Willis not allowing alternative suspect suggestions into the trial píssed me off. He did in general tbh.

On a completely random note: The fashion and hairstyle! It was like the early 90's!

The Raptor

adox wrote: »

What an absolutely sh1tty thing to say.

Maybe it was. But as Dassey's lawyer he didn't represent him, and allowed him to be interviewed by the police without him present. Then he sends his private investigator, Michael O'Kelly, to give Brendan a lie detector test and a written confession. When the written confession wasn't good enough as in what really happened that day i.e. he came home from school and played games, he made him rewrite the whole confession again and draw pictures. It was him telling the poor lad to draw pictures of the bed with the woman tied. Rather than pictures of his day on the playstation. That second confession was used against him.

They were both in it together and a lawyer should never ever have allowed that carry on from his private investigator.

I'm sorry if you think what i said was real ****ty and maybe it was if you were some other normal human being. But some young lad's life was wasted in prison and the evidence was there in black and white. I don't feel sorry for that lawyer one bit.

The Raptor

I need to watch this a second time. I'm far too slow to pick up on things but I think this documentary does this. Earlier today i had posted about Brendan's confession that is on youtube. It was dated 3-1-2006, as in the first of March. It was only after this confession of Brendan that the cops found a bullet in Steven Averys garage. I don't think there was a mention of a shooting until Brendan said it. At this point, they were too far deep in ****t that they had to go back and plant a bullet to make it look as if there was a shooting.

The prosecutors also claimed they cleaned up with bleach. Brendan never said bleach. He did say they cleaned up with gasoline and paint thinner. They then asked him another question after he said they cleaned up. A question about the size of the garage area. But then they wanted bleach to be a part of their story because bleach destroys dna and asked him where did they get the bleach from. What bleach, the kid said gasoline and paint thinner. Hence, why it was very believable on their part that Steven Avery killed her and cleaned it up very well.

PLL

The Raptor wrote: »

The prosecutors also claimed they cleaned up with bleach. Brendan never said bleach. He did say they cleaned up with gasoline and paint thinner. They then asked him another question after he said they cleaned up. A question about the size of the garage area. But then they wanted bleach to be a part of their story because bleach destroys dna and asked him where did they get the bleach from. What bleach, the kid said gasoline and paint thinner. Hence, why it was very believable on their part that Steven Avery killed her and cleaned it up very well.

Only one type of bleach destroys DNA to a point that it cannot be detected and that is Hydrogen Peroxide which expensive and different to household bleach.

Also, Avery's DNA was found all over the garage. For the prosecution's story to be viable there would have to be no DNA found.

So many holes in this case, an undeniable amount of reasonable doubt.

Anachrony

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn't Brendan polygraphed at some stage? I remember reading the full transcript when Michael O Kelly was interviewing him and he was showing Brendan the results saying "see that red line, that shows deception which means you're lying" or something to that affect.

And that's all polygraphs are good for in these situations. Manipulating people and scaring them into a confession. You're not allowed to submit the results as evidence in a US trial. But if the suspect being interviewed believes in them it might get them to say things that they might otherwise not have. And anything they say is usually admissible, regardless of how they convinced them to say it.

Ageyev

The Raptor wrote: »

I need to watch this a second time. I'm far too slow to pick up on things but I think this documentary does this. Earlier today i had posted about Brendan's confession that is on youtube. It was dated 3-1-2006, as in the first of March. It was only after this confession of Brendan that the cops found a bullet in Steven Averys garage. I don't think there was a mention of a shooting until Brendan said it. At this point, they were too far deep in ****t that they had to go back and plant a bullet to make it look as if there was a shooting.

The prosecutors also claimed they cleaned up with bleach. Brendan never said bleach. He did say they cleaned up with gasoline and paint thinner. They then asked him another question after he said they cleaned up. A question about the size of the garage area. But then they wanted bleach to be a part of their story because bleach destroys dna and asked him where did they get the bleach from. What bleach, the kid said gasoline and paint thinner. Hence, why it was very believable on their part that Steven Avery killed her and cleaned it up very well.

I haven't watched the full confession tape but per the documentary, the police knew she had been shot in the head and during his interrogation the cop asks Brendan "who shot her in the head?". According to Buying, Avery's attorney, this info had not been made public and if Brendan had offered up this information it would have confirmed that he was present for the murder. But the cop f**ked it and revealed their hand by feeding him the info.

The Raptor

PLL wrote: »

Only one type of bleach destroys DNA to a point that it cannot be detected and that is Hydrogen Peroxide which expensive and different to household bleach.

Also, Avery's DNA was found all over the garage. For the prosecution's story to be viable there would have to be no DNA found.

So many holes in this case, an undeniable amount of reasonable doubt.

Also, if the house and garage was cleaned of all blood. Why wasn't the RAV4. They found his blood in the jeep but no fingerprints.

So much corruption.

A Primal Nut

A big-shot lawyer Kathleen Zellner has taken over Avery's case. She has exonerated 17 people in the past so has a reputation to upkeep. So I don't think she's taken on the case pro bono just for the sake of it. Could be interesting.

Gizmo55

Best thing I've watched in years. Never bingewatched before. Watched The Jinx too thanks to the recommendations of folks in this thread.

Mike Guide 69

Gizmo55 wrote: »

Best thing I've watched in years. Never bingewatched before. Watched The Jinx too thanks to the recommendations of folks in this thread.

Try and catch "The Staircase" on Youtube, its as mad as "MAM" , think theres 10 episodes on it, about the Michael Petersen case, be warned, its very graphic!!, but its as riveting and compelling as Making A Murderer

Gizmo55

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Try and catch "The Staircase" on Youtube, its as mad as "MAM" , think theres 10 episodes on it, about the Michael Petersen case, be warned, its very graphic!!, but its as riveting and compelling as Making A Murderer

That's actually the next one I intend watching! Cheers.

The Raptor

The Jinx, The Staircase, anything else to watch?

Phoebas

marklazarcovic wrote: »

he is a judge now so cant have a private practise,think he has cancer aswell

I don't think he is. I've seen that claim on the internet, but nothing to back it up.

A Primal Nut

Phoebas wrote: »

I don't think he is. I've seen that claim on the internet, but nothing to back it up.

His Facebook Page:

https://www.facebook.com/len.kachinsky/about

It's possible he stepped down due to his cancer but he was a municipal judge at some point.

tok9

The Staircase is very good too. I've definitely seen parts of it before but watching the whole thing again.. just crazy stuff.

From watching that and Making a Murderer, you really have to dislike the media too. Some of the things they say and bias they show is ridiculous.

Brussels Sprout

Just watched the last three episodes. In a perverse way I'm glad that they both got convicted and have had all of their appeals refused. If they had both been found innocent then everyone would have breathed a sigh of relief, safe in the knowledge that they system worked in the end. Now instead we have a glaring example of how stacked the system is against certain people when it comes to the criminal justice system. This will hopefully make some people stop and pause when they hear about future convictions before assuming the guilt of the parties involved. It's just a tragic shame that it's ruined the lives of these two men and their families.

I hope that something can be done for them but I'm not confident.

Phoebas

A Primal Nut wrote: »

His Facebook Page:

https://www.facebook.com/len.kachinsky/about

It's possible he stepped down due to his cancer but he was a municipal judge at some point.

Wow. He's a judge alright.

http://www.town-menasha.com/elected-officials/

Cienciano

The Raptor wrote: »

The Jinx, The Staircase, anything else to watch?

It's a podcast, but Serial season 1 was really good too.
https://serialpodcast.org/season-one

Feel like I know my way around Baltimore after listening to it and checking locations on google maps.

Brussels Sprout

This may have been asked already but was that a couple of hurlers on a trophy in Dean Strangs office?




As an side if I was ever on trial for a crime this is the guy I'd want in my corner. He always came across as a very intelligent, compassionate, and articulate man. He looked genuinely heart-broken so many times. I'd imagine he's going to be an inspiration for a lot of young people who decide to study Law when they go to college in the future.

PressRun

Dean Strang gave an interview recently where he said that he and Jerry Buting are open to the idea of taking on Steven's case again in the future. He said there's a possibility Steven is guilty, but there's also a possibility that a great injustice has been done. As he said, "The system isn't supposed to work on convicting people on maybes".

The Raptor

I noticed that too about the hurling statue. He was contacted during the week by journal.ie about it. It's a hurling statue his friend with Irish roots gave him.

Phoebas

Good spot

Dean Strang wrote:

“It indeed is an Irish hurling statue, as others have noticed.

“I have a very good friend who is a first generation Irish-American and who grew up in Chicago.

“He has become an extraordinarily good criminal defence lawyer and is a noble spirit.

“He gave me that small statue some years ago. I’ve never been to a hurling game.

“I’ve never been to Ireland, notwithstanding the 25 per cent of my genome rooted in your soil. Some day, I have to see one.”

Ageyev

The Raptor wrote: »

The Jinx, The Staircase, anything else to watch?

The Thin Blue Line, West of Memphis, The House I Live in. All include murder investigations with shoddy police work.

Edit: scratch that last one, that's more focused on "war on drugs" stuff but seek out anything on Mumia Abu-Jamal. In Prison My Whole Life is the name of one doc.

Let the Fire Burn migt also be of interest to people - it is about the 1985 bombing of a residential house by Philadelphia police.

PLL

Phoebas wrote: »

Good spot

Come on over we would love to have you here!

kirk buttercup

This week i have watched all ten in 4 days.
Thought about it for a few days before posting.
so my feelings
1. Brother and ex boyfriend are slightly strange especially the fact they admit to being on site before retracting.
2.his brother seemed to me (and my wife) to be a little dodgy no real hard evidence but funny enough we both thought the same and didnt mention it till the end
3.this documentary may be kind of biased similiar to lets say Fahrenheit 911 so pinch of salt needed
4. All the way through As much as I wanted to believe Innocence there was always a very small part of me that expected him to be guilty ( no logic really )
Enjoyed the documentary in so far that I found amazing but uncomfortable at times

Azalea

Episode 4 so far. The young lad talking about missing the WWE and his favourite animal being a cat...