Bdgp

charolais0153

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

As a recipient of one of those 'luvley' BDGP letters, just wondering did every farmer who is a participant in the scheme one of the bloody yokes. Then, it's even better crack trying to get through to Portlaois, Ffs

No

whelan2

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

As a recipient of one of those 'luvley' BDGP letters, just wondering did every farmer who is a participant in the scheme one of the bloody yokes. Then, it's even better crack trying to get through to Portlaois, Ffs

I am going to write a letter. They dont seem to answer the phone at all. 7minutes holding on in ech of 3calls today

wiggy123

looks like one got one! must be clawing back monies

Grueller

I was talking to them. 8000 went out. The phones are hopping and it is an issue with a transfer of data from icbf. I like the idea of icbf and what they are meant to be doing re research on breeding etc but this smacks of a quango being set up to deflect blame onto.
I sent them a written appeal with screens hots from icbf to back up the fact that the letter was sent in the wrong. I would recommend everybody do the same. Let them have a taste of their own medicine dealing with paperwork that they don't want to deal with.

Sheep breeder

Got one also 38 per cent cut on payment, got no control report to tell me what I have failed on and no paper work to show screens not filled and under the farmers charter of rights we are supposed to get proper paperwork.
Will write a letter to pat Preston about this and then the appeals office.

sonnybill

Got one too! e80 clawback as one of my calved cows was a Fr, she reared her own and another calf but have to give the E80 back and have lost her as a reference animal for the scheme anyway

Bellview

Grueller wrote:

I was talking to them. 8000 went out. The phones are hopping and it is an issue with a transfer of data from icbf. I like the idea of icbf and what they are meant to be doing re research on breeding etc but this smacks of a quango being set up to deflect blame onto. I sent them a written appeal with screens hots from icbf to back up the fact that the letter was sent in the wrong. I would recommend everybody do the same. Let them have a taste of their own medicine dealing with paperwork that they don't want to deal with.

They don't give a crap about letter as they will state the computer was unable to read them. I had similar issue a few years ago and the computer was wrong..but I wasted over a day on an issue that could have been solved in 5 mins..too many folks work in dept ag...same goes for icbf for incompetence

bogman_bass

sonnybill wrote: »

Got one too! e80 clawback as one of my calved cows was a Fr, she reared her own and another calf but have to give the E80 back and have lost her as a reference animal for the scheme anyway

That one is fair enough. It clearly states in the T&C's that all cows must be a beef breed.

Some of the other examples here are very frustrating

Don't bother ringing, send an email and at least you'll get a reply

whelan2

bogman_bass wrote: »

That one is fair enough. It clearly states in the T&C's that all cows must be a beef breed.

Some of the other examples here are very frustrating

Don't bother ringing, send an email and at least you'll get a reply

whats the email address?

annubis

whelan2 wrote: »

whats the email address?

beefschemes@agriculture.gov.ie

Hard Knocks

bogman_bass wrote: »

sonnybill wrote: »

Got one too! e80 clawback as one of my calved cows was a Fr, she reared her own and another calf but have to give the E80 back and have lost her as a reference animal for the scheme anyway

That one is fair enough. It clearly states in the T&C's that all cows must be a beef breed.

Some of the other examples here are very frustrating

Don't bother ringing, send an email and at least you'll get a reply

bogman_bass wrote: »

sonnybill wrote: »

Got one too! e80 clawback as one of my calved cows was a Fr, she reared her own and another calf but have to give the E80 back and have lost her as a reference animal for the scheme anyway

That one is fair enough. It clearly states in the T&C's that all cows must be a beef breed.

Some of the other examples here are very frustrating

Don't bother ringing, send an email and at least you'll get a reply

On ICBF you can change the purpose to beef/dairy.
Would that make a difference?

whelan2

I wonder if you send in a query on the reduction will it delay the payment due in June?

bogman_bass

Hard Knocks wrote: »

On ICBF you can change the purpose to beef/dairy.
Would that make a difference?

Can you? Never saw that before.

No not for this job.

Grueller

whelan2 wrote: »

I wonder if you send in a query on the reduction will it delay the payment due in June?

Probably, but they are completely wrong in my case and in many others that I have been speaking to. Let the payment be delayed, I am fighting this one.

Hurling Hereford

Grueller wrote: »

Probably, but they are completely wrong in my case and in many others that I have been speaking to. Let the payment be delayed, I am fighting this one.

2 hopes of payments being delayed, Bob and feck all .....

Eventually, go through to Portlaois today. Guy I was talkin to explained that a bull that isn't mine sired one of the calves born in late '15. When I said is that all?, he nearly exploded & gave me a dressing down about stock proof fencing. He then mentioned the 'I word', inspection. at that I had enough & hung up on him, the prat

sonnybill

bogman_bass wrote: »

sonnybill wrote: »

Got one too! e80 clawback as one of my calved cows was a Fr, she reared her own and another calf but have to give the E80 back and have lost her as a reference animal for the scheme anyway

That one is fair enough. It clearly states in the T&C's that all cows must be a beef breed.

I got form in 2015 requesting no. of calved cows in my herd and I sent it back and yes she originated in a dairy herd but she had been bred to my own beef bull and reared 2 beef breed calves each year. Had I have known that they'd cut her at a later date I'd have calved a beef breed heifer in her place that I sold .

Not to worry 80 yo yo they can have it , still a good scheme and I'm interested in doing it

jd06

Hurling Hereford wrote:

Eventually, go through to Portlaois today. Guy I was talkin to explained that a bull that isn't mine sired one of the calves born in late '15. When I said is that all?, he nearly exploded & gave me a dressing down about stock proof fencing. He then mentioned the 'I word', inspection. at that I had enough & hung up on him, the prat

Oh no not good
Had a neighbours bulk in for 2 days while on my hols.
The neighbour gave me the tag no. And I regesterd the calves. He was an Angus bull running with a dairy herd so prob not reg. With the icbf either.
Its hard to win,.!!

Hurling Hereford

Good afternoon folks.

What any of ye heard of this situation where farmers are losing 100% of a year's payment due to BVD issues (animals not tested or removed on time) in 2015?

How come these people were never informed of this by our beloved department or did they just want to save money by not paying the farmer his/her money. Case of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Disgraceful!

grassroot1

This scheme is an absolute disaster from the farmers point of view. The amount of regulations and rule seem to make it impossible for farmers to get full payment.
I have been refused all last years payment and they are looking for a percentage of the 2015 payment. My fault I did not fulfil the training requirement and was not informed of any of the courses held in April 2017. It is a farce, for a scheme to protect the suckler cow it will have the effect of doing the complete opposite.

And the deafening silence that you hear are Joe Healy and the IFA:mad:

Hurling Hereford

grassroot1 wrote: »

This scheme is an absolute disaster from the farmers point of view. The amount of regulations and rule seem to make it impossible for farmers to get full payment.
I have been refused all last years payment and they are looking for a percentage of the 2015 payment. My fault I did not fulfil the training requirement and was not informed of any of the courses held in April 2017. It is a farce, for a scheme to protect the suckler cow it will have the effect of doing the complete opposite.

And the deafening silence that you hear are Joe Healy and the IFA:mad:

The IFA you say? They coudn't give a sh!te about suckler & beef farmers. Their only priorty is the big dairy farmers, same as it always was, so I wouldn't be pointin the finger of blame solely at Healy. time for some farmer's protests are required + not outside that dump beside Leinster House

Or do we no how to protest anymore?

Bellview

grassroot1 wrote:

This scheme is an absolute disaster from the farmers point of view. The amount of regulations and rule seem to make it impossible for farmers to get full payment. I have been refused all last years payment and they are looking for a percentage of the 2015 payment. My fault I did not fulfil the training requirement and was not informed of any of the courses held in April 2017. It is a farce, for a scheme to protect the suckler cow it will have the effect of doing the complete opposite.

The stars calculation is the biggest issue. I'm in the scheme but don't agree that all farmers now ask about stars even before they see the animal..making a joke of breeding. This is the real challenge of the scheme...how is a gene benchmark at 100 etc.
In the scheme defence though the courses were well flagged and the beauty was that you could send someone in your place.
Level of penalties I'm hearing though proves that icbf were allowed over regulate this scheme

Count Mondego

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Good afternoon folks.

What any of ye heard of this situation where farmers are losing 100% of a year's payment due to BVD issues (animals not tested or removed on time) in 2015?

Why didn't you remove them in time?

Hurling Hereford

Count Mondego wrote: »

Why didn't you remove them in time?

I always test my animals for it on time. I was just asking if there is any truth that farmers are losin 100% of there payment for not removing & testing there animals on time

Never wrestle with pigs

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

I always test my animals for it on time. I was just asking if there is any truth that farmers are losin 100% of there payment for not removing & testing there animals on time

I hope so. They should be locked up too.

whelan2

Was there to be a payment of this in June?

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Was there to be a payment of this in June?

Paid here on the 23rd.

Did you check Agfood financial selfservices section?

whelan2

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Paid here on the 23rd.

Did you check Agfood financial selfservices section?

Ye. No sign of anything will give them a ring tomorrow.

whelan2

Rang them. Answered first go. If you were not included in the last payment run the next one isn't for at least a month. Nothing holding up the payment.

wiggy123

this 2017 monies???

whelan2

wiggy123 wrote: »

this 2017 monies???

Afaik its the 2016 money after all surveys, genomic testing has been done, did you get paid?

wiggy123

ah ok.. ah was lucky got mine last year-back end

whelan2

wiggy123 wrote: »

ah ok.. ah was lucky got mine last year-back end

We got it then too

KatyMac

Had a 'cattle man' yesterday. He tried to buy a red angus cow that he saw from the road. She stands out from the rest apparently - the mad bit is that she just about has 1 star, is scraping on the very lowest of the scale, and was in a field of 4 and 5 stars. So much for looking at animals on paper! And the reason why I've kept her ..... I like her and have no intention of selling her! She will remain outstanding in her field.

Bellview

KatyMac wrote:

Had a 'cattle man' yesterday. He tried to buy a red angus cow that he saw from the road. She stands out from the rest apparently - the mad bit is that she just about has 1 star, is scraping on the very lowest of the scale, and was in a field of 4 and 5 stars. So much for looking at animals on paper! And the reason why I've kept her ..... I like her and have no intention of selling her! She will remain outstanding in her field.

Red angus normally high in stars. Know the feeling on herd mix..but at least 50 percent of 1 and 2 stars will allow us keep the right cattle to help make a living

wiggy123

red angus getting very popular with suckler men anyway.. unsure if Dairy folk taken up with them yet

Bellview

wiggy123 wrote:

red angus getting very popular with suckler men anyway.. unsure if Dairy folk taken up with them yet

Yes suckler bull alright. Working well crossing either limo.
Dairy boys near us won't touch them due to calving.

wiggy123

how would red angus be any different calving wise to the black? same genes more of less, just different color..no????

Never wrestle with pigs

Got accepted into trench two, I have culled one cow after calving (bad leg) and put her calf on a cow that lost her calf at two months old.

I've one cow that died at calving and her calf died too.

And a cow that lay on her calf a few hours after calving. So I bought a calf and put it on her.

I have to return a form asking how many cows calved in 2017. Do I add these? Will I get payed on these cows? They did calve on my farm in 2017. I'm using 2017 as reference year.

wiggy123

so you 2 cows in question-have calves at foot...
so if have a total of 40 cows, all with calves at foot... but them down..as those 40 all calved say this year!
once keep records correct, with loss's etc..re knackery report/factory docket etc...

From my opinion all should be ok...

dohc turbo2

wiggy123 wrote: »

red angus getting very popular with suckler men anyway.. unsure if Dairy folk taken up with them yet

Few down my way running red Angus bulls but calfs coming black unfortunately

kollegeknight

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Few down my way running red Angus bulls but calfs coming black unfortunately

I've used bovas red Angus bull lanigan deep red.

First Lady- black (2016 calf)
2 red heifer calves
2 red bull calves
1 black bull calf
1 brown speckle park looking heifer.
All 2017 calves

bogman_bass

wiggy123 wrote: »

how would red angus be any different calving wise to the black? same genes more of less, just different color..no????

Red Angus tend to be big beefy Canadian/American types as opposed to the out and out easy calving that the dairy buys want

Bellview

dohc turbo2 wrote:

Few down my way running red Angus bulls but calfs coming black unfortunately

In dairy

Bellview

wiggy123 wrote:

how would red angus be any different calving wise to the black? same genes more of less, just different color..no????

They are harder calving..don't know why..but so are a lot of Scottish bred bulls that are black.

wiggy123

odd that... wonder where red gene in them came from, limousin..
agree--some of there bulls are hard calving

Buford T. Justice XIX

wiggy123 wrote: »

odd that... wonder where red gene in them came from, limousin..
agree--some of there bulls are hard calving

It's a recessive gene, always there in the backround and only coming out when two copies of the red gene are found in a calf. One red and one black gene will throw black calves as black is dominant. It's a small bit more complicated than that but that's the general rule.

dohc turbo2

Bellview wrote: »

In dairy

Yes ,

KatyMac

I heard of a dairy man running a red angus bull with his friesan cows, is delighted with the quality of the calves. My red angus cow had a black heifer last year and a chocolate coloured heifer this. I plan on keeping both of them so am thinking there is a 50/50 chance that their offspring will come red. At this stage in my life I am experimenting a little, maybe I'll end up with an all red herd to pass on to my own daughters!!

rushvalley

Has anyone got results back for the cows that had to be tagged for genomic testing earlier in the year?

Bellview

rushvalley wrote:

Has anyone got results back for the cows that had to be tagged for genomic testing earlier in the year?

rushvalley wrote:

Has anyone got results back for the cows that had to be tagged for genomic testing earlier in the year?

Only sire verified for me. Assume will be later in year