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carsfan2

elbyrneo wrote: »

Looking to update my 2nd car, something quick and fun but must be able to seat 5 when needed. Budget between 20k to 30k depending on much i love it, I wont be buying until March so Brexit might put a stop on UK import which is my current plan.

Was between a CLA45 AMG Shooting Brake (silly fast, looks great, likely out of budget though), and an Audi S3 Sportback or Saloon (the more "sensible" option, i'm not keen on the Golf R looks) , but recently came across the Jaguar XE S.

It has a 3.0 litre V6, is RWD unlike the above, is more akin to the M3 in that regard i guess but obv cheaper. Here's one for example: autotrader UK

335bhp V6 Petrol, 8speed Auto, 0-60mph takes 4.9 seconds so swift and sounds like fun to drive being RWD too. 20k/gbp seems to get a reasonably low mileage 2015/16 or so model.

Of course it's not listed on VRT website (grrrr) , but emissions are 194g so it aint going to be pretty, nor is the tax. Have not looked into service costs or Insurance either yet.
I do small mileage on the 2nd car so fuel consumption is irrelevant. It's really about fun and being happy seeing the car!

Anyone any knowledge / opinions on the car? Not sure if many in Ireland at all.

The jag may be a nice car and a lot of car for the money but in Ireland I think you may find it hard to sell on compared to the other choices also my understanding is that parts and running costs can be high on Jaguar especially if you stay in the dealer network. Probably a much better buy if you were living in the U.K..

Casati

carsfan2 wrote: »

The jag may be a nice car and a lot of car for the money but in Ireland I think you may find it hard to sell on compared to the other choices also my understanding is that parts and running costs can be high on Jaguar especially if you stay in the dealer network. Probably a much better buy if you were living in the U.K..

Id agree with that, an S3 will be a much easier sell in the future. If you really want a petrol XE get the 240bhp 2.0 or else the 380bhp Supercharged

carsfan2

I got some numbers today for a car I know some of ye hate, BMW m135i.
On standard 18" alloy it starts at 52900. Up the alloys to 19" and base price is 56400 plus the cost of the plus pack which is 2500. Isn't VRT great? It's because CO2 goes from 169 to 172 so next band.
Base car is same ballpark as clubsport GTI Golf.
What do folks think?

Cyrus

carsfan2 wrote: »

I got some numbers today for a car I know some of ye hate, BMW m135i.
On standard 18" alloy it starts at 52900. Up the alloys to 19" and base price is 56400 plus the cost of the plus pack which is 2500. Isn't VRT great? It's because CO2 goes from 169 to 172 so next band.
Base car is same ballpark as clubsport GTI Golf.
What do folks think?

id buy it on 18s and source my own wheels

vintagevrs

I'd defo go BM over golf as the car I prefer. BM depreciation may be steeper than the golf though if that is anything to think about but really finger in the air stuff. You get idrive, xdrive and 8 speed auto Vs what's in the VW. Fairly different cars from that perspective.

Casati

carsfan2 wrote: »

I got some numbers today for a car I know some of ye hate, BMW m135i.
On standard 18" alloy it starts at 52900. Up the alloys to 19" and base price is 56400 plus the cost of the plus pack which is 2500. Isn't VRT great? It's because CO2 goes from 169 to 172 so I next band.
Base car is same ballpark as clubsport GTI Golf.
What do folks think?

M135i is closer to the Golf R than Clubsport so at that price it looks good, defo get your own wheels though

Wailin

Pretty surprised at that price, I expected it to be a lot higher after the new changes. Did you enquire about the 128ti at all?

JoeA3

Cyrus wrote: »

id buy it on 18s and source my own wheels

Friend of mine has one ordered. He has an arrangement with the dealer to trade the alloys for 19's post delivery. I don't think they've agreed a price on it but thats his plan.

While the base car is close to the price of a Clubsport, the BMW price escalates quickly if you tick a few boxes that are standard on the VW. Particularly when BMW have everything in "packs" - and those packs are 2.5K+ a pop.

The 128ti starts at around 49k.

carsfan2

Cyrus wrote: »

id buy it on 18s and source my own wheels

Yeah definitely would make more sense.

carsfan2

Wailin wrote: »

Pretty surprised at that price, I expected it to be a lot higher after the new changes. Did you enquire about the 128ti at all?

I know from a quote Joe got that 128ti is guts of 49k now and that’s before you spec the live cock pit professional which is bigger I drive screen and instrumentation standard on the m135i which nudges it over 50.

maddness

carsfan2 wrote: »

I got some numbers today for a car I know some of ye hate, BMW m135i.
On standard 18" alloy it starts at 52900. Up the alloys to 19" and base price is 56400 plus the cost of the plus pack which is 2500. Isn't VRT great? It's because CO2 goes from 169 to 172 so next band.
Base car is same ballpark as clubsport GTI Golf.
What do folks think?

The interior of the new 1 series is fantastic and a big step over the previous model. Otherwise it’s a step back though but is a lot cheaper than anew Golf R which it’s more of a competitor than the GTI.
I’d have the Golf or the new Leon Cupra looks great so a Cupra.

carsfan2

JoeA3 wrote: »

Friend of mine has one ordered. He has an arrangement with the dealer to trade the alloys for 19's post delivery. I don't think they've agreed a price on it but thats his plan.

While the base car is close to the price of a Clubsport, the BMW price escalates quickly if you tick a few boxes that are standard on the VW. Particularly when BMW have everything in "packs" - and those packs are 2.5K+ a pop.

The 128ti starts at around 49k.

There are a few things missing on the BMW that are on the VW but from memory, adaptive lights and through load seats are the main things missing and can be added for just over a grand. The golf doesn’t have heated seats so it can kinda balances out depending on what you want.
The 128ti is a dead duck now with the increased vrt it makes no sense.

JoeA3

carsfan2 wrote: »

There are a few things missing on the BMW that are on the VW but from memory, adaptive lights and through load seats are the main things missing and can be added for just over a grand. The golf doesn’t have heated seats so it can kinda balances out depending on what you want.
The 128ti is a dead duck now with the increased vrt it makes no sense.

Adaptive cruise is another big one - €1500 extra.

Keyless entry is pricey (and part of a pack I think).

19’s screw up the VRT, they don’t on the Clubsport.

Also missing basic stuff like lumbar support, through load/split rear seat (as you mentioned) and rear privacy glass.

So if one is fussed about spec, there is a fair bit in it.

Wailin

You get a far premier feeling car though (interior) for the money compared to the golf. It even surpasses the Audi S3 which is it's real competitor, not a golf. I really think the mk 8 golf gti is bonkers money.

carsfan2

JoeA3 wrote: »

Adaptive cruise is another big one - €1500 extra.

Keyless entry is pricey (and part of a pack I think).

19’s screw up the VRT, they don’t on the Clubsport.

Also missing basic stuff like lumbar support, through load/split rear seat (as you mentioned) and rear privacy glass.

So if one is fussed about spec, there is a fair bit in it.

I forgot about those things.
I suppose it depends on what your priorities are with regards to them.
I kinda feel though the m135i is more a golf R competitor though for 10k cheaper.
No doubt I will get a derisory offer on my own car and that will put an end to my window shopping!
Dealer told me they are well ahead of last years orders so he doesn’t seem under any pressure.

bazz26

I think I'd rather spend that sort of money on a 1 year old M340i to be honest.

vintagevrs

carsfan2 wrote: »

I forgot about those things.

Dealer told me they are well ahead of last years orders so he doesn’t seem under any pressure.

Hmmm....

carsfan2

vintagevrs wrote: »

Hmmm....

He is saying his orders for 211 are ahead of where they were going his time last year for 201.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s telling the truth.There is a lot of money around as people haven’t been able to spend as they normally would.

Wailin

bazz26 wrote: »

I think I'd rather spend that sort of money on a 1 year old M340i to be honest.

Probably be 2, possibly 3 yrs before they depreciate to that kind of money. Close to 90k for a well specced model and with brexit etc, importing won't really be an option. But it's the car to have alright, would love one in touring form.

carsfan2

bazz26 wrote: »

I think I'd rather spend that sort of money on a 1 year old M340i to be honest.

Would in theory agree but I’ve been regularly checking autotrader and the 2019 m340’s are relatively bare spec and any with spec are much higher priced and gone quickly. By the time you’ve one brought in you’re mid sixties for a two year old car in January. A 135i for 10k less brand new would probably suit me better to be honest. I also want a hatchback/ estate not a saloon.
Anyway only window shopping/ tyre kicking for now.

Wailin

Have you attempted to sell your own car privately carsfan? The trade offer from bmw will be insulting, though you're probably well aware.

carsfan2

Wailin wrote: »

Have you attempted to sell your own car privately carsfan? The trade offer from bmw will be insulting, though you're probably well aware.

No.
Haven’t tried at all as still thinking on where to next and can’t be without a car. With covid etc it’s a lot of hassle too although I’ve sold a few privately in the past.
My own car is great and no need to change but life is short.
Did not even discuss trade in yet with anyone. I actually think prices of cars is relatively static due to a shortage of good second hand stock.the Carzone valuation of mine has been 32,500 for that few months for what it’s worth.
Was hard enough to nail them down on the numbers re the prices for 2021. The website prices are all wrong.

bazz26

carsfan2 wrote: »

Would in theory agree but I’ve been regularly checking autotrader and the 2019 m340’s are relatively bare spec and any with spec are much higher priced and gone quickly. By the time you’ve one brought in you’re mid sixties for a two year old car in January. A 135i for 10k less brand new would probably suit me better to be honest. I also want a hatchback/ estate not a saloon.
Anyway only window shopping/ tyre kicking for now.

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I know the above one is fairly standard spec for a M340i and I hate black wheels but a base M340i still better speced than a basic M135i. It's been for sale a while and was originally at 65k I think, I'd say that will be dropping in price after Christmas again. I'd also put value on the M340i being a better all rounder than the M135i but I get it that you don't want a saloon, M340i Tourings are like gold dust and going for mad money in the UK.

hooch-85

bazz26 wrote: »

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2654059&r=s.php%3Fm%3D10%26o%3D86%26r%3D2019%26pp%3D50%26g%3D1

I know the above one is fairly standard spec for a M340i and I hate black wheels but a base M340i still better speced than a basic M135i. It's been for sale a while and was originally at 65k I think, I'd say that will be dropping in price after Christmas again. I'd also put value on the M340i being a better all rounder than the M135i but I get it that you don't want a saloon, M340i Tourings are like gold dust and going for mad money in the UK.

It's easier said then done though, especially if you have a fairly high value trade in to offload first. Then the differential between dealer finance and finance for a personal import will see most of your savings go down the drain. Not saying everyone has to borrow to fund that type of car but I'd guess that the vast majority of people do.

bazz26

hooch-85 wrote: »

It's easier said then done though, especially if you have a fairly high value trade in to offload first. Then the differential between dealer finance and finance for a personal import will see most of your savings go down the drain. Not saying everyone has to borrow to fund that type of car but I'd guess that the vast majority of people do.

I get your valid point and I know only too well that going to the UK with a huge ball of cash and no car to shift at home isn't an option for most of us. All I was saying was that if all things were equal and both cars were in front of me, I'd take the m340i over a m135i. However I'll probably never be in a position to own either.

hooch-85

bazz26 wrote: »

I get your valid point and I know only too well that going to the UK with a huge ball of cash and no car to shift at home isn't an option for most of us. All I was saying was that if all things were equal and both cars were in front of me, I'd take the m340i over a m135i. However I'll probably never be in a position to own either.

If I had a choice between the two then yes I'd have the 3 series too. I wouldn't be so pessimistic about owning one in future, once they hit the 3-4 year old mark they should be mid 30's and in my opinion this is the sweet spot to buy a car like this, as you proved yourself with the fine 430d you bought.

But even at that, there is a small enough gap between monthly payments on a used car or paying a deposit on a brand new one and availing of low rate finance (obviously the amount of equity you have when trading in affects this too). I'd be in a new mk8 GTi for a little more than what I am paying on my R but I don't have €10k to fire at a deposit so I'll make do with what I have for a few more years!

vintagevrs

Not to mention the lack of balloon at the end of the agreement on your R.

hooch-85

vintagevrs wrote: »

Not to mention the lack of balloon at the end of the agreement on your R.

This is true, I'm on a regular HP so there is no balloon so yeah this is where the difference lies but how many PCP owners keep their cars beyond the 3 years anyway? Any that I know just seem to roll up to a new car.

carsfan2

bazz26 wrote: »

I get your valid point and I know only too well that going to the UK with a huge ball of cash and no car to shift at home isn't an option for most of us. All I was saying was that if all things were equal and both cars were in front of me, I'd take the m340i over a m135i. However I'll probably never be in a position to own either.

If they put the forthcoming m3 touring in front of me as well I would take that!

Seriously though Bazz, I entirely take your point.
Realistically though unless the right car popped up in Ireland it's not a runner.
I love a lot of the features and comforts on my 5 series and would spec them again like adaptive light, heads up etc. I also need lumbar support for dodgy lower back and hip. Finding used m340i with the features I want is very unlikely.

BMW have updated the configurator today and added the 128ti but it's still at the pre 2021 cheaper price.

GustavoFring

Some jump in price on the ti when you add 19s.