Turkey shoots down Russian fighter plane

snubbleste

- The Russian defence ministry has confirmed that its SU-24 fighter jet was shot down near Syria's border with Turkey.
- Turkey says the plane violated its airspace, but Russia denies this.
- Russia has said the plane was shot down from the ground, while Turkey says its fighter planes downed the plane.
- Turkey says they gave 10 warnings before shooting down the plane.
- Russia has confirmed that the two pilots ejected themselves, but their whereabouts and fate are not yet known.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-34908469
Get your iodine tablets out, people!

PARlance

"- Russia has confirmed that the two pilots ejected themselves, but their whereabouts and fate are not yet known."

They're probably in Turkey lads.

speedboatchase

Change the headline to Turkey, rather than NATO.

The balls on Turkey, though. Planet-sized.

bear1

That's a very serious situation to be in now.

smash

Cool. I've been waiting for a Top Gun sequel.

speedboatchase

PARlance wrote: »

"- Russia has confirmed that the two pilots ejected themselves, but their whereabouts and fate are not yet known."

They're probably in Turkey lads.

I'm reading that they crashed in Syria and are in rebel hands.

BoJack Horseman

Turkish shootdown or NATO?

Turkey is part of the UN..... Was it a UN shoot down?

snubbleste

speedboatchase wrote: »

Change the headline to Turkey, rather than NATO.
The balls on Turkey, though. Planet-sized.

Turkey is a part of Nato.. "Turkey is a member of the Nato alliance, which has said it is ready to defend Turkey if Russia violated its airspace"

Gatling

speedboatchase wrote: »

Change the headline to Turkey, rather than NATO.

The balls on Turkey, though. Planet-sized.

Putin's just got peeded on

bear1

speedboatchase wrote: »

I'm reading that they crashed in Syria and are in rebel hands.

If that's the case they may as well have stayed in the plane.

The_Valeyard

Well, this has been going on for the past month.

Russia violates Turkish airspace, Turkey threatens to respond, today they followed through with the threat.

Russians might think twice now, could be best to take the long way around.

bear1

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Well, this has been going on for the past month.

Russia violates Turkish airspace, Turkey threatens to respond, today they followed through with the threat.

Russians might think twice now, could be best to take the long way around.

I don't see Russia rolling over on this. It's a very serious diplomatic issue and if the pilots are killed then this will get even worse.
Possible start to WW3?

FortySeven

This was bound to happen at some point. Didn't expect it so soon. Things getting hairy now.

BoJack Horseman

bear1 wrote: »

Possible start to WW3?

Certainly time to crack each others skulls open & feed on the goo inside.

conorhal

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Well, this has been going on for the past month.

Russia violates Turkish airspace, Turkey threatens to respond, today they followed through with the threat.

Russians might think twice now, could be best to take the long way around.

Turkey implicity support IS, well for at least as long as they keep bombing the Kurds. Erdogan is a deeply unpleasent character but I suspect he's messed with the wrong despot this time. Expect the PKK to suddenly 'find' a cache of weapons that include some Russian made surface to air missiles that will greatly enhance their fight for an independent Kurdistan.

speedboatchase

snubbleste wrote: »

Turkey is a part of Nato.. "Turkey is a member of the Nato alliance, which has said it is ready to defend Turkey if Russia violated its airspace"

It is, but that's not how this is being reported. Turkey specifically shot it down, not an alliance of 28 countries.

Kerrydude1981

smash wrote: »

Cool. I've been waiting for a Top Gun sequel.

Behind Turkish Lines

Shannon757

I wonder will the Russians attack Turkey over this?

emo72

Couldn't give a ****e about WW3, nothing to do with us, we're neutral.

ronan45

I am surprised the Russians dont have contingency plans for a situation like this, Have they not got something like a C130 that can orbit the site where the pilots came down to ward off rebels from locating and apprehending the pilots... then while this plane lends air support await some Attack helicopters to get the pilots out?!?

smash

Shannon757 wrote: »

I wonder will the Russians attack Turkey over this?

They'll probably go after Jason Statham.

Akrasia

There could be serious ramifications from this

Will Turkey still be competing in the Eurovision this year?

snubbleste

https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/669074437900263424

Akrasia

ronan45 wrote: »

I am surprised the Russians dont have contingency plans for a situation like this, Have they not got something like a C130 that can orbit the site where the pilots came down to ward off rebels from locating and apprehending the pilots... then while this plane lends air support await some Attack helicopters to get the pilots out?!?

How would a C130 at tens of thousands of feet altitude stop rebels on the ground from capturing the pilots?

BlibBlab

Wasn't NATO op, don't get why you feel the need to say its NATO when it was clearly Turkey. Ridiculous attention seeking

Ri_Nollaig

Isn't the whole point of NATO that any attack on a member is seen as an attack on the whole group, i.e. same as attacking US or UK

ronan45

Akrasia wrote: »

How would a C130 at tens of thousands of feet altitude stop rebels on the ground from capturing the pilots?

Was thinking maybe they could use their vast array of on board Air to Ground Weaponry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkGcx6XM3Ec

Badly Drunk Boy

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Turkish shootdown or NATO?

Turkey is part of the UN..... Was it a UN shoot down?

Turkey is part of Christmas dinner. Was the ham involved? Is it a Christmas miracle?

Kerrydude1981

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Isn't the whole point of NATO that any attack on a member is seen as an attack on the whole group, i.e. same as attacking US or UK

Friendly fire???

Gatling

bear1 wrote: »

Possible start to WW3?

Doubt it but Putin's been put in an odd position.

BlibBlab

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Isn't the whole point of NATO that any attack on a member is seen as an attack on the whole group, i.e. same as attacking US or UK

Yeah but this was a member attacking an outside nation. Like the way the coalition invading Iraq didn't automatically trigger the clause and mean every nations had to invade

Corvo

The Russians are always at it. About time someone shot them down.

BoJack Horseman

ronan45 wrote: »

Was thinking maybe they could use their vast array of on board Air to Ground Weaponry

That's an AC-130.

Turkey doesn't have any of them.

IvySlayer

Turkey have the second biggest army in NATO and their air force is pretty modern, I don't think even Russia can do anything about it really

snubbleste

How much would an SU-24 fighter jet cost?

nxbyveromdwjpg

Change the title, it's misleading

Gatling

Akrasia wrote: »

How would a C130 at tens of thousands of feet altitude stop rebels on the ground from capturing the pilots?

Unfortunately russia doesn't have C130 spectre Gunships .

Made in America .

Hyzepher

ronan45 wrote: »

Was thinking maybe they could use their vast array of on board Air to Ground Weaponry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkGcx6XM3Ec

Bring the rain!

Ri_Nollaig

BlibBlab wrote: »

Yeah but this was a member attacking an outside nation. Like the way the coalition invading Iraq didn't automatically trigger the clause and mean every nations had to invade

I know, I mean if Russia decides to response directly against Turkey.

BoJack Horseman

snubbleste wrote: »

How much would an SU-24 fighter jet cost?

They aren't made anymore.

One of the more older Russian planes, started service 44 years ago

snubbleste

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

They aren't made anymore.
One of the more older Russian planes, started service 44 years ago

So rare, it's priceless

JPNelsforearm

I think its about time Byzantium was liberated from the Seljuks

speedboatchase

IvySlayer wrote: »

Turkey have the second biggest army in NATO and their air force is pretty modern, I don't think even Russia can do anything about it really

I'm fairly sure they can.

BoJack Horseman

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

I think its about time Byzantium was liberated from the Seljuks

I could do that on 'Mediaeval Total War 2'.

No reason why not!

Kerrydude1981

I didn't even know Russia wasn't a full member of Nato,they are in a Nato group with us called "Partnership for Peace"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_NATO

Kerrydude1981

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

I didn't even know Russia wasn't a full member of Nato,they are in a Nato group with us called "Partnership for Peace"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_NATO

What the hell did you think NATO was?

CruelCoin

speedboatchase wrote: »

I'm reading that they crashed in Syria and are in rebel hands.

This will be interesting.

Lets see how "moderate" these rebels are in their treatment of the pilots.

pfffffft......LOL :pac:

They're no more "moderate" than Hitler was pacifist.

gandalf

ronan45 wrote: »

I am surprised the Russians dont have contingency plans for a situation like this, Have they not got something like a C130 that can orbit the site where the pilots came down to ward off rebels from locating and apprehending the pilots... then while this plane lends air support await some Attack helicopters to get the pilots out?!?

I have a feeling that Russia doesn't value it's military personnel the way the US does and it certainly doesn't give a damn about public opinion.

jamesbere

So this is it, the start of WW3. You would think they would at least wait till Christmas.

MarkR

Akrasia wrote: »

How would a C130 at tens of thousands of feet altitude stop rebels on the ground from capturing the pilots?

It is this one?

The Lockheed AC-130 gunship is a heavily armed, long-endurance ground-attack aircraft. It carries a wide array of anti-ground oriented weapons that are integrated with sophisticated sensors, navigation, and fire-control systems.

So... With weapons. Lots of them.

CruelCoin

emo72 wrote: »

Couldn't give a ****e about WW3, nothing to do with us, we're neutral.

Not so sure about that.

If you can be an accomplice in commiting murder, then can you also not be an accomplice in waging war?

Irish troops going to Mali, specifically to free up French troops to fight IS.

If that's not aiding, then i don't know what is.

We'd be neutral if we didn't free up French troops.

(i'm not anti war, i just don't feel we're neutral as people claim)