How safe do you feel?

fizzypish

Terrorist attach. HA HA HA. Try ringing the guards if your getting burgled. If you don't live beside a barracks it'll be 30 minutes minimum.

shane9689

Everyone seems to keep forgetting, that although our defence force is small...theyre trained for this exact scenario...i mean, we had the RA and all that..so we have a history of attacks so im sure theyre prep'd

Sunnyisland

shane9689 wrote: »

Everyone seems to keep forgetting, that although our defence force is small...theyre trained for this exact scenario...i mean, we had the RA and all that..so we have a history of attacks so im sure theyre prep'd

Other than bank robberies and kidnapping, when did the ra attack here ? if your talking about loyalists attacks here they were few and far between as they had not got the expertise to carry them out, unless helped by indirect British goverment support, i.e. Dublin Monaghan bombings, the biggest loss of life in one single day re the troubles.

Sunnyisland

I don't know whether we are prepared for a attack here, there has to be some sort of preperation from government as its not unrealistic to think it won't happen.imo.


And yes I still feel safe in Ireland as I do in Spain and Portugal where I spend a lot of my time.

Azalea

fizzypish wrote: »

Terrorist attach. HA HA HA. Try ringing the guards if your getting burgled. If you don't live beside a barracks it'll be 30 minutes minimum.

How would they speed up?

FluffyAngel

realies wrote: »

Other than bank robberies and kidnapping, when did the ra attack here, if your talking about loyalists attacks here they were few and far between as they had not got the expertise to carry them out, unless helped by indirect British goverment support, i.e. Dublin Monaghan bombings, the biggest loss of life in one single day re the troubles.

really? ever heard of fear ? and that is/was the biggest the biggest weapon that any terroist spreads.

The "boys" knew how to spread fear and by christ they spread it far and wide

do you remember the line"we haven't gone away" that one line still spreads fear in me when i read it,takes me back to a ireland when knee capping were widespread and ira "criminal" gangs spread fear ,no corner of Ireland was safe (and to some degree still isnt)

The "Boys" were safe enough to kill there own and have there own police force and judicial systems in place

Azalea

Never knew of any of the above where I am in the Republic (grew up in the 80s/early 90s). The north and some parts of the Republic, sure, but "no corner of Ireland was safe (and to some degree still isn't)"?

fizzypish

Azalea wrote: »

How would they speed up?

I emphasize minimum of 30 minutes. My local town has a barracks and on a Saturday night at one stage they had 2 Guards on duty. Station couldn't be unmanned and a guard wouldn't go solo in the squad car so effectively no guards. The street after the night club used to be interesting. Its a bit ridiculous of me to bring up guard response time in a terrorist thread admittedly but if something did happen a lot of carnage would happen before it was put under control.

wexandproud

i would be a little bit more concerned than i was about an attack. to say they don't know where ireland is just foolish , all it takes is one of the irish or uk based followers to say hey boys what about the yanks refuelling in ireland .
we might have a well trained anti terrorist group here but its hard to fight an enemy who sees glory in death

Samaris

realies wrote: »

Other than bank robberies and kidnapping, when did the ra attack here ? if your talking about loyalists attacks here they were few and far between as they had not got the expertise to carry them out, unless helped by indirect British goverment support, i.e. Dublin Monaghan bombings, the biggest loss of life in one single day re the troubles.

True that there weren't many actual attacks, but they ARE trained for this, extensively for this. And the specialist Irish army guys (Rangers, etc) are also trained in terrorist tactics and, one would hope, counter-terrorist tactics too.

Our intelligence services are pretty good too, and working with the NI ones, they are extremely good, at least for the dissident morons (on both sides). How often is there what amounts to little more than an offhand note that a bomb was found and disfused at X o clock this morning in some border territory compared to the very rare occasion that one actually goes off?

Sheeps

Our army ranger wing forces are among the best very best in the world actually at dealing with the problem of terrorism.

Sunnyisland

Sheeps wrote: »

Our army ranger wing forces are among the best very best in the world actually at dealing with the problem of terrorism.

I suppose I coming across here as putting our defense forces down and I don't wish to be doing that as they do a grand job with the resources they have, but when have our ranger wing being in combat action against real attacks like we seen in Paris

Samaris wrote: »

True that there weren't many actual attacks, but they ARE trained for this, extensively for this. And the specialist Irish army guys (Rangers, etc) are also trained in terrorist tactics and, one would hope, counter-terrorist tactics too.

Our intelligence services are pretty good too, and working with the NI ones, they are extremely good, at least for the dissident morons (on both sides). How often is there what amounts to little more than an offhand note that a bomb was found and disfused at X o clock this morning in some border territory compared to the very rare occasion that one actually goes off?

Once again as above, but diffusing bombs and dealing with a real live attack would be unprecedented as I suppose for most places in Europe it would be to, and I don't think we have the resources to dealing with such an attack.


And yes I would still feel safe here.

Samaris

Overall, I do agree with you, realies. Just pointing out that we may be being a little harder than necessary on our own people in blue (and khaki)!

Sheeps

realies wrote: »

I suppose I coming across here as putting our defense forces down and I don't wish to be doing that as they do a grand job with the resources they have, but when have our ranger wing being in combat action against real attacks like we seen in Paris

The army ranger wing has been deployed in various different hostile and combat situations. They're probably one of the most combat experienced units in the armed forces. You wouldn't hear about the missions they go on, because they're special forces. Any photographs will have their faces blurred out to protect their identities. Their roles extend far beyond combat missions too, in to the intelligence roles too.

They were initially formed in order to deal with the rising threat of terrorism and the training they have they have won awards for when literally competing in competitions against the best that any other nation has to offer, consistently which shows that they're among the best.

Lets not forget that terrorism is not a foreign concept to these shores. We have spent the last 100 years dealing with terrorism from with in. It has not been long since there were bombs going off in Dublin and across this country.

conorhal

I feel pretty safe and consider that the liklihood of an attack here is minimal.
I am however baffled that our government insists on squandering that safety, by replicating the failed immigration policies that have made nations like France and the UK quiver in their boots.
With each passing year I see more and more niquabs ambling around the streets of Dublin and wonder what accompanying ideology we are importing here.
We are, per capita, second only to Belgum for the number of foreign fighters that Ireland has sent off to fight in ISIS jihad. But aparently we don't have a jihadi problem?
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-capita-study-jihadists-syria-islam-1655655-Sep2014/

What happens when they come home? And what will their recruiters encourage them to do?
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/paris-terror-attacks/paris-terror-attacks-leading-islamic-state-terror-suspect-still-in-ireland-thanks-to-irishborn-son-34206995.html

Japan after all has no islamist terrorists, the reason is pretty obvious. We should doubtless adopt the same policy before we reap the same rewards as Paris.

timthumbni

Sheeps wrote: »

The army ranger wing has been deployed in various different hostile and combat situations. They're probably one of the most combat experienced units in the armed forces. You wouldn't hear about the missions they go on, because they're special forces. Any photographs will have their faces blurred out to protect their identities. Their roles extend far beyond combat missions too, in to the intelligence roles too.

They were initially formed in order to deal with the rising threat of terrorism and the training they have they have won awards for when literally competing in competitions against the best that any other nation has to offer, consistently which shows that they're among the best.

Lets not forget that terrorism is not a foreign concept to these shores. We have spent the last 100 years dealing with terrorism from with in. It has not been long since there were bombs going off in Dublin and across this country.

Well the modern IRA and other republican groups considered the Republic to be basically a safe haven after carrying out murders in Northern Ireland so I'm not sure that was really dealing with terrorism.

Mass murderers only had to skip over to Dundalk and they were treated like heroes.

Sheeps

timthumbni wrote: »

Well the modern IRA and other republican groups considered the Republic to be basically a safe haven after carrying out murders in Northern Ireland so I'm not sure that was really dealing with terrorism.

Mass murderers only had to skip over to Dundalk and they were treated like heroes.

The point is that with in one generation, we have experience of terrorism, not what it is today.

Elemonator

Anyone who thinks ISIS won't attack us must have been sheltered as a kid or something. Anyone who is contrary to their beliefs is a target. The fact that we are a Western society, anti ISIS, a member of the EU amongst other things makes us a target. Our neutrality (realistically non-alignment) has no place in this whatsoever. Anjem Chaudhary and other leading Muslims have come out and said we are not seen as on their side. Other sources have also indicated that Ireland is an easy transit hub for jihadists and a back door into Europe only makes us more of a target. There is 30 Irish jihadists in Syria right now that we know of.

Ireland needs to stop being a p**** nation, get behind our friends and stand up for what is right.

beks101

Here's some interesting food for thought from a RACO conference today that does nothing to allay my fears.

Basically a one-off attack could potentially be handled, but anything remotely resembling the endless Paris saga and we'd be well and truly screwed.

Senior military officers have said the Defence Forces do not have the capability to deal with an ongoing international terrorist threat in Ireland similar to the one in Paris.

The Representative Association of Commissioned Officers (RACO) - representing army, air corps and naval officers - said this threat has already been identified by Government (in the white paper) but the Defence Forces do not at present have the resources or personnel to deal with it on a continual basis.

The association said the Defence Forces have also lost a large number of highly trained pilots, naval commanders and bomb-disposal specialists in the last two years.

At its annual conference in Kildare this afternoon, RACO said what happened in Paris is an example of the threats that are within close range of Ireland's people and borders.

Commandant Earnan Naughton said that while the Defence Forces could address a one-off incident, they do not at present have the ability to deal with an ongoing threat such as the number of incidents over a period of time that have occurred in France.

He said at officer level there are 32 vacancies in the Naval Service, 34 pilots needed in the air corps and more than half the required number in the bomb-disposal unit.

He said 136 officers have left in the past two years, many moving to better-paid jobs in the private sector.

The association also said the Defence Forces must now be resourced in terms of both personnel and equipment to deal with the threat of international terrorism on a continual basis.

Minister for Defence Simon Coveney is due to address the conference later this evening.

Elemonator

beks101 wrote: »

Here's some interesting food for thought from a RACO conference today that does nothing to allay my fears.

Basically a one-off attack could potentially be handled, but anything remotely resembling the endless Paris saga and we'd be well and truly screwed.

I feel for those poor chaps. Most of them are flying planes older than themselves (I'm referring to the Cessna's).

Tigger

Is the Palestinians flying the tricolour not indicitative of or relationship with the Islamic fighters
I don't think we are on their list and I will not be leaving Ireland till everyone has calmed down

Carry

Terrorism is by it's very definition to spread terror, which means that people are afraid that something might happen, living in fear that is.
Killing random people does that to you, and I imagine that this is their thought process.

This thread and many others just confirms this objective - people start wondering if they are safe or feeling safe, just what the beardie ones want: spreading fear and terror and let people wonder.

Statistically they targeted so far big cities with a lot of publicity - London, Paris, Beirut, maybe next Berlin. I don't think that, say, Ballinasloe or Malin Head or even Dublin might be on their map.

Personally I feel safe - especially in sedate Ireland and more so living in the back of beyond.

But apart from that I personally won't give those brainless terrorists the satisfaction by feeling terrorised or in any way afraid.

As the latest Charlie Hebdo front page says: "You have the weapons, fúck you, we have the champagne! "