Ryanair have probably seriously f*cked up. Alleged scratch card charity scam?

Gerry Rio

This has almost 16 thousand shares on Facebook

I have just returned from holiday courtesy of Ryanair. During the flight, the cabin crew were punting the Ryanair charity scratch cards. They were selling them using the children's hospice charity CHAS which, they said, benefited from their sale. They also said that you had the chance of winning 1 million euro.

They must have sold at least 25 cards on board our flight. On later investigation, I discovered that in 2013 they sold about 16 million euro worth of scratch cards, and distributed 55,000 euro to charities, ie about 0.3%, or less than 1 cent for each 2 euro scratch card went to charity.

There is also only one card per year with the chance of winning the million euro, but if you are lucky enough to get this card, you are then invited to choose from 125 envelopes, only one of which has a cheque for 1 million euro.

The million euro will only be won once every 125 years. This is an utterly cynical way for Michael O'Leary and Ryanair to increase their profits, using a children's cancer charity to do so.

They could hardly stoop any lower.

From here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206936597067239&set=a.10204499016769255.1073741827.1047642971&type=3



Has anyone seen any non social media reports of this?

Canis Lupus

So where did the person obtain details on how many scratch cards were sold by Ryanair and how much was donated to charity as a result explicitly of those sales?

An Claidheamh

If it's true it could be a huge story .... I mean not just the tiny percentage, but also the 125 envelopes!

NachoBusiness

An Claidheamh wrote: »

If it's true it could be a huge story .... I mean not just the tiny percentage, but also the 125 envelopes!

That part has already been in the news earlier in the year.

TheLastMohican

Another person that was charged excess baggage!

PirateShampoo

This is why I only donate to local charitys like SVP.

It will probably turn out, someone in the government is sitting on the board of who ever runs the scratch cards, they will say sorry blah blah blah news papers will stop talking about it and nothing will change. Just like the last scratch card scam.

Canis Lupus

LINK

According to this article LINK Ryanair intentionally introduced the cards to increase revenue.

Sir Osis of Liver.

Tis a kick in the bollix he wants.

How many times are RTE going to show that Tony Ryan documentry.

Where do I pick up my envelope?I could be a winner.

PirateShampoo

NachoBusiness wrote: »

That part has already been in the news earlier in the year.

I love the line in that article "they have given well over 1 million to charity since 2009"

Well over 1 million, but clearly below 2 with a profit of 16 million euro a year.

So since 2009 they have made close to 100 million euro on scratch cards and have donated little more than 1% to charity. Also nobody has ever won their 1 million jackpot.

kneemos

Thought everyone knew scratch cards were a scam?

TheLastMohican

Canis Lupus wrote: »

LINK

According to this article LINK Ryanair intentionally introduced the cards to increase revenue.

Ryanair is a business ......... not a charity!

kneemos wrote: »

Thought everyone knew scratch cards were a scam?

Welllllll, ....... obviously not


And any auld excuse to bash the most successful airline of that type in the world.

Canis Lupus

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Ryanair is a business ......... not a charity!



Welllllll, ....... obviously not


And any auld excuse to bash the most successful airline of that type in the world.

I was posting that as fact rather than comment. I couldn't give 2 ****s if retards want to buy their scratch cards or how much they give to charity.

Overheal

Gerry Rio wrote: »

This has almost 16 thousand shares on Facebook



From here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206936597067239&set=a.10204499016769255.1073741827.1047642971&type=3



Has anyone seen any non social media reports of this?

Similar logic is used by American Beauty pageants...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/22/john-oliver-miss-america_n_5859726.html

anto9

I am all for Ryanair and how they made flying affordable to many of us ,but this is a blatent scam.It will need Government action to stamp it out and protect the stupid ,or senile .

ted1

Gerry Rio wrote: »

This has almost 16 thousand shares on Facebook



From here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206936597067239&set=a.10204499016769255.1073741827.1047642971&type=3



Has anyone seen any non social media reports of this?

they fly approx 10,000,000 passengers a month.

shares are meaninglessness if the shares were over a 3 month period then thats = .00005% of there passengers

kneemos

Don't see the issue really.If there is a discrepancy they can throw them a million or two presumably,probably make a publicly stunt of it.

Doubt anyone will give a ****,we expect this from Ryanair.

Overheal

kneemos wrote: »

Don't see the issue really.If there is a discrepancy they can throw them a million or two presumably,probably make a publicly stunt of it.

Doubt anyone will give a ****,we expect this from Ryanair.

Charging for peanuts and 'leaking' plans for stand-up passenger flights isn't the same category of potentially defrauding customers under the guise of charity. An actual investigation ought to be petitioned.

endacl

'... will only be won once every 125 years'

Facebook poster completely misunderstands probability shocker.

ArmaniJeanss

Despite the excitable thread title I'm failing to see where the scam is. "The % return on a ticket and/or the charity part may be less than what some people feel it should be, despite Ryanair never claiming a figure in the first place".
Thats not a scam.

anto9 wrote: »

I am all for Ryanair and how they made flying affordable to many of us ,but this is a blatent scam.It will need Government action to stamp it out and protect the stupid ,or senile .

That'll be a fun conversation.

Government : "When you are up in the air out of our jurisdiction we'd like you to change how you run scratch cards".
MOL : "Fcuk off"

TheLastMohican

anto9 wrote: »

I am all for Ryanair and how they made flying affordable to many of us ...........................................................
.................................

Scam? You're talking advertising here. Do you believe all in the holiday brochure?

TheLastMohican

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Despite the excitable thread title I'm failing to see where the scam is. "The % return on a ticket and/or the charity part may be less than what some people feel it should be, despite Ryanair never claiming a figure in the first place".
Thats not a scam.



That'll be a fun conversation.

Government : "When you are up in the air out of our jurisdiction we'd like you to change how you run scratch cards".
MOL : "Fcuk off"

And so say all of us!

endacl

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Despite the excitable thread title I'm failing to see where the scam is. "The % return on a ticket and/or the charity part may be less than what some people feel it should be, despite Ryanair never claiming a figure in the first place".
Thats not a scam.


That'll be a fun conversation.

Government : "When you are up in the air out of our jurisdiction we'd like you to change how you run scratch cards".
MOL : "Fcuk off"

In fairness, who are Ryanair selling the scratch cards to? The same dribbling idiots who burst into applause when the pilot pulls off the astounding feat of landing the plane. That's who.

Who cares...

Overheal

endacl wrote: »

In fairness, who are Ryanair selling the scratch cards to? The same dribbling idiots who burst into applause when the pilot pulls off the astounding feat of landing the plane. That's who.

Who cares...

So give a pass to a company for scamming people under the flag of charity? That would set a wonderful precedent; never be able to trust a charity effort again, and the level of genuine charitable donations would ultimately plummet, leading to unnecessary and avoidable suffrage.

Canis Lupus

Overheal wrote: »

So give a pass to a company for scamming people under the flag of charity? That would set a wonderful precedent; never be able to trust a charity effort again, and the level of genuine charitable donations would ultimately plummet, leading to unnecessary and avoidable suffrage.

They never set it up to donate to charity. They set up the scratchcards apparently to generate revenue with some money going to charity which is what they do. What's the issue here or are you under the impression the scratchcards are solely to donate money to charity and you think Ryanair is just hoarding profits for itself?

Overheal

Canis Lupus wrote: »

They never set it up to donate to charity. They set up the scratchcards apparently to generate revenue with some money going to charity which is what they do. What's the issue here or are you under the impression the scratchcards are solely to donate money to charity and you think Ryanair is just hoarding profits for itself?

The facebook allegement is that they are hoarding profits for themself...

The expectation when you invoke charity to make a sale that a not paltry amount of the proceeds go to the charity. If 1 cent for a 2 euro card is all that is being donated so be it, but they ought to be saying "1 cent of your purchase goes to charity"

retalivity

Anyome silly enough to buy one of those scratch cards

kowloon

endacl wrote: »

'... will only be won once every 125 years'

Facebook poster completely misunderstands probability shocker.

It is written that the chosen one will arise every 125 years, one with the power to wield the scratchcard of destiny.

kneemos

kowloon wrote: »

It is written that the chosen one will arise every 125 years, one with the power to wield the scratchcard of destiny.

If there's a million quid in one of those envelopes I'll wipe me hole with a Brillo Pad.

anto9

kneemos wrote: »

If there's a million quid in one of those envelopes I'll wipe me hole with a Brillo Pad.

There is E10,000 in each envelope .I think that warants rubbing your hole with sandpaper at least .:D

raze_them_all_

Gerry Rio wrote: »

This has almost 16 thousand shares on Facebook



From here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206936597067239&set=a.10204499016769255.1073741827.1047642971&type=3



Has anyone seen any non social media reports of this?

The envelope once every 125 is wrong, You have a 1 in 125 chance of winning, they dont take the envelopes away, so it will always be 1 in 125

Lucy8080

I like to dress up as a Nigerian Prince when taking Ryanair flights. There is a 15 - 25 minute period of opportunity to make some cash. After that , the trolley dolly's come round and steal your mark, sorry, customer!

Galwayguy35

Overheal wrote: »

The facebook allegement is that they are hoarding profits for themself...

The expectation when you invoke charity to make a sale that a not paltry amount of the proceeds go to the charity. If 1 cent for a 2 euro card is all that is being donated so be it, but they ought to be saying "1 cent of your purchase goes to charity"

Well sure if someone on FB said it then it must be 100% correct.

Overheal

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well sure if someone on FB said it then it must be 100% correct.

thats why its alleged :rolleyes:

zeffabelli

Overheal wrote: »

The facebook allegement is that they are hoarding profits for themself...

The expectation when you invoke charity to make a sale that a not paltry amount of the proceeds go to the charity. If 1 cent for a 2 euro card is all that is being donated so be it, but they ought to be saying "1 cent of your purchase goes to charity"

This is how charity works though. They take the vast majority of what they make for themselves and a small percentage goes to the actual people.

Honestly do you think people playing those scratch cards give two ****s it's for charity? No it's the same reasons people buy the non charity ones in the shops,

Badly Drunk Boy

zeffabelli wrote: »

This is how charity works though. They take the vast majority of what they make for themselves and a small percentage goes to the actual people.

But are Ryanair a registered charity or just a company that gives a bit to charity every now and then?

Menas

I dont know why people are surprised by this, thought it was common knowledge. Remember their millionth passenger who was supposed to get free flights for life?

Ryanair would not be pushing those scratch cards so hard if they were not getting a good chunk of that cash. Do the individual staff who sell them get a chunk too?

Beware large companies who try to exhibit altruism.

evolving_doors

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

The envelope once every 125 is wrong, You have a 1 in 125 chance of winning, they dont take the envelopes away, so it will always be 1 in 125

good point, also you are not buying a 'chance to win one million',
youre buying a 'chance to win a chance to win 1 million'

anto9

Menas wrote: »

I dont know why people are surprised by this, thought it was common knowledge. Remember their millionth passenger who was supposed to get free flights for life?

Ryanair would not be pushing those scratch cards so hard if they were not getting a good chunk of that cash. Do the individual staff who sell them get a chunk too?

Beware large companies who try to exhibit altruism.

Yes that was a shabby thing to do .She shoUld have got far more in compensation I.M.O.

efb

If you dont want to get hassled by trolly dollies flogging scratchcards, Fly Emirates

darkpagandeath

A charity scrachcard issue here I'm shocked ...

Cosmo Kramer

Menas wrote: »

Ryanair would not be pushing those scratch cards so hard if they were not getting a good chunk of that cash. Do the individual staff who sell them get a chunk too?

Beware large companies who try to exhibit altruism.

According to MOL in a twitter Q&A, staff get 10% of scratch card sales. Although he also claimed that 'the bulk of the remainder goes to charity' which was quite a misleading response if it's actually as little as 1% or less.

http://www.dailyedge.ie/michael-oleary-twitter-ryanair-1140295-Oct2013/

delly

One is an organisation setup purely for charitable purposes, with millions of euro worth of sales over recent years. The other is the arch typical industry giant who do everything they can to make profit and don't hide it either.

So based on figures published in the media, who gave more for charitable purposes, Rehab or Ryanair?

deandean

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I was posting that as fact rather than comment. I couldn't give 2 ****s if retards want to buy their scratch cards or how much they give to charity.

Hi there Michael, I see you have a Boards account now. That 'being nice' phase was never going to last.

dr.fuzzenstein

darkpagandeath wrote: »

A charity scrachcard issue here I'm shocked ...

I know what you mean but I'm also saddend by the fact that when we hear "for charity" we automatically expect a scam. And we're usually right.

darkpagandeath

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I know what you mean but I'm also saddend by the fact that when we hear "for charity" we automatically expect a scam. And we're usually right.

Unfortunately that's most of our experiences, Event the big charity's are mostly admin. You know rock up to some place in Africa. Buy all the land rovers and stuff they need locally rent out the hotels money is no object.

Oops69

As long as MY flights on time , I don't give a fcuk.

Del2005

Overheal wrote: »

So give a pass to a company for scamming people under the flag of charity? That would set a wonderful precedent; never be able to trust a charity effort again, and the level of genuine charitable donations would ultimately plummet, leading to unnecessary and avoidable suffrage.

The charities have done a good enough job of putting people off donating by spending all the money on themselves.

Overheal wrote: »

The facebook allegement is that they are hoarding profits for themself...

The expectation when you invoke charity to make a sale that a not paltry amount of the proceeds go to the charity. If 1 cent for a 2 euro card is all that is being donated so be it, but they ought to be saying "1 cent of your purchase goes to charity"

The charity could easily remove their name from the tickets if they think that customers are getting scammed, the fact that the charity allows Ryanair to use their name means that they don't care.

meeeeh

delly wrote: »

One is an organisation setup purely for charitable purposes, with millions of euro worth of sales over recent years. The other is the arch typical industry giant who do everything they can to make profit and don't hide it either.

So based on figures published in the media, who gave more for charitable purposes, Rehab or Ryanair?

I was thinking of Rehab too when seeing all the outrage.

I think some have very naive impression about the whole charity industry.

IrishKev

endacl wrote: »

In fairness, who are Ryanair selling the scratch cards to? The same dribbling idiots who burst into applause when the pilot pulls off the astounding feat of landing the plane. That's who.

Who cares...

This is the type of superiority that makes me hate Boards. You are an idiot.

anto9

https://youtu.be/Irq5xR0V5jM

The sales pitch on board Ryanair.

anto9

Bet this guy did not buy one lol.

https://youtu.be/phzGLI7GvuU