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Mary says YES!

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    #752
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Bristolscale7 wrote: »
    I hate shiftless atheists as much as therealdanguy

    Do you mean atheists who aren't getting The Shift?


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    #753
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Bristolscale7 wrote: »
    I hate shiftless atheists as much as therealdanguy does.
    Shiftless? Sure who wears a vest these days?


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    #754
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    You realise that you have made your own definition for a word which is different from the commonly used definition and then you complain about how people use the word to describe themselves using the word's commonly used definition because they arent matching up to your made up definition which only exists in your head.

    Right...

    And of course you realise(although you pretend not to) that I was explaining that I have the height of respect for the genuine atheists that I have come accross and little time for the ones who if not blaming the church are blaming the state, the school,the establishment, for their shortcomings in life.


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    #755
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    And of course you realise(although you pretend not to) that I was explaining that I have the height of respect for the genuine atheists that I have come accross and little time for the ones who if not blaming the church are blaming the state, the school,the establishment, for their shortcomings in life.

    Of course, the two different kind of atheists.

    No, there aren't any other kinds, if neither applies to you you're probably just a Catholic and forgot.


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    #756
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Check



    Check-congratulations, but the majority of your fellow atheists do.


    Check- ditto



    Why wouldn't I show my respects to the friends and family of the deceased? It's about them and not me. I'm perfectly capable of behaving with consideration and respect towards other people you know.

    I have no doubt you are capable of that. Still don't know why you feel you have to attend the church, you could just pay your respects at the funeral home. Like I said earlier it's a bit like attending a KKK rally and then saying that you are not a racist. You can disagree with me but I don't think an atheist has any business in a church.


    We often hear about "Christian principles", judge not lest ye be judged was one of them wasn't it?

    Once again I am not passing judgement I am simply giving my opinion.


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    #757
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    And of course you realise(although you pretend not to) that I was explaining that I have the height of respect for the genuine atheists that I have come accross and little time for the ones who if not blaming the church are blaming the state, the school,the establishment, for their shortcomings in life.
    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Once again I am not passing judgement I am simply giving my opinion.

    Bull.


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    #758
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Kev W wrote: »
    Bull.


    Wow Kev! That post really works, so many meanings on so many levels.
    Go on, as well as being an atheist you also dabble in the old poetry, right?:eek:


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    #759
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Wow Kev! That post really works, so many meanings on so many levels.
    Go on, as well as being an atheist you also dabble in the old poetry, right?:eek:

    That's not much of a comeback really, is it? I mean I point out that you've flat-out lied and you can only criticise me for being succinct?


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    #760
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    I am genuinely curious as to what rationale you used to come to that conclusion.

    Well, you have stated that if one does not subscribe to a religion one doesn't respect it, and that one therefore can't attend religious functions without being hypocritical.

    Atheists attend religious weddings and funerals for the same reasons that Christians would attend non-Christian weddings or funerals. Namely that we have been invited.


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    #761
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    kylith wrote: »
    Well, you have stated that if one does not subscribe to a religion one doesn't respect it, and that one therefore can't attend religious functions without being hypocritical.

    Atheists attend religious weddings and funerals for the same reasons that Christians would attend non-Christian weddings or funerals. Namely that we have been invited.


    Sure everything is hunky dory so!
    I believe in God and respect all religions.
    You are an atheist but also respect all religions right?


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    #762
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Sure everything is hunky dory so!
    I believe in God and respect all religions.
    You are an atheist but also respect all religions right?

    Do you respect every aspect of every religion?


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    #763
    lazza14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭lazza14


    Fuct up, nothing surprises me anymore about the RCC anyway ..


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    #764
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Wow Kev! That post really works, so many meanings on so many levels.
    So if you claim it has many meanings that refutes the fact that he's shown you up as a liar?
    Is "you're a liar and here's proof" one of those many meanings by any chance?


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    #765
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Sure everything is hunky dory so!
    I believe in God and respect all religions.
    You are an atheist but also respect all religions right?
    I notice you have no respect for atheism. Except the ones you've defined in your own special way of course.


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    #766
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I notice you have no respect for atheism. Except the ones you've defined in your own special way of course.

    I don't know how you noticed that Dan seeing as I outlined that I have huge respect for any atheist that sticks to his/her guns and does'nt attend church. Little time for 'pretend' atheists that go into church several times a year.


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    #767
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    I don't know how you noticed that Dan seeing as I outlined that I have huge respect for any atheist that sticks to his/her guns and does'nt attend church. Little time for 'pretend' atheists that go into church several times a year.

    So you're just flat out refusing to accept any definition of atheism except the one you've invented and are judging atheists by that definition, while also lying about doing so.

    One more time: ATHEISM DOES NOT DEMAND DISDAIN FOR RELIGION. IT MEANS THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR GODS. FULL STOP.


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    #768
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    I don't know how you noticed that Dan seeing as I outlined that I have huge respect for any atheist that sticks to his/her guns and does'nt attend church. Little time for 'pretend' atheists that go into church several times a year.

    I will be attending my Uncle's funeral on Wednesday if that makes me a hypocrite so be it. Rather that than be an arsèhole and not show my respects to his family.


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    #769
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    I will be attending my Uncle's funeral on Wednesday if that makes me a hypocrite so be it. Rather that than be an arsèhole and not show my respects to his family.

    Sorry to hear about your uncle Mark but like I say the atheists that I know would pay their respects at the family home or funeral parlour and stay out of the church.


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    #770
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Sure everything is hunky dory so!
    I believe in God and respect all religions.
    You are an atheist but also respect all religions right?

    I respect people.


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    #771
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about your uncle Mark but like I say the atheists that I know would pay their respects at the family home or funeral parlour and stay out of the church.
    Is the the your-definition atheists or the everybody-else-on-earth-including-atheists-themselves-definition atheists you're talking about?


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    #772
    Shrap
    Registered Users Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about your uncle Mark but like I say the atheists that I know would pay their respects at the family home or funeral parlour and stay out of the church.

    He IS family. Who do you think you are, insinuating that he (as an atheist) should stay out of his own uncle's church funeral? :mad:

    That's outrageous, insensitive, ignorant and downright ugly. Appalling comment.


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    #773
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about your uncle Mark but like I say the atheists that I know would pay their respects at the family home or funeral parlour and stay out of the church.

    You didn't tell us if you use the same binary logic for Catholics who don't practice their religion fully - are they by default non Catholics who should also stay away from the funeral service?

    Only that's going to be one empty church, AFAICS. Seems a bit disrespectful even, for the deceased. It's not like these non believers are afraid of being struck by lightening or anything, is it?


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    #774
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    And of course you realise(although you pretend not to) that I was explaining that I have the height of respect for the genuine atheists that I have come accross and little time for the ones who if not blaming the church are blaming the state, the school,the establishment, for their shortcomings in life.

    The problem is the only non genuine atheists are ones which believe in a god. Why they would call themselves an atheist is beyond me but seeing as people can be Christian and not believe in God then I suppose it's possible.


    It has nothing to do with your made up rules on what is or isnt an atheist.


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    #775
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about your uncle Mark but like I say the atheists that I know would pay their respects at the family home or funeral parlour and stay out of the church.

    You continue to make the grand mistake of conflating god and religion.


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    #776
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    I've no problem with the idea of atheism. If someone chooses to reject God, that's up to them. But it seems all they do is complain. Schools, hospitals, jury service, textbooks, voting centres, abortion, marriage, the Angelus....just an endless stream of whinging and moaning.


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    #777
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I've no problem with the idea of atheism. If someone chooses to reject God, that's up to them. But it seems all they do is complain. Schools, hospitals, jury service, textbooks, voting centres, abortion, marriage, the Angelus....just an endless stream of whinging and moaning.

    1. The irony

    2. You have been replaced, either up your game or leave things to dan who does a much better job at this than you. He at least makes the effort to reply.

    Thank you for taking the time out of leaving burning ts in gay people's gardens to visit us but you are no longer required.


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    #778
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I've no problem with the idea of atheism. If someone chooses to reject God, that's up to them. But it seems all they do is complain. Schools, hospitals, jury service, textbooks, voting centres, abortion, marriage, the Angelus....just an endless stream of whinging and moaning.

    ... he whinged, moanily.

    It's not rejecting God, it's not believing in God. You can't reject something you don't accept the existence of.


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    #779
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I've no problem with the idea of atheism. If someone chooses to reject God, that's up to them. But it seems all they do is complain. Schools, hospitals, jury service, textbooks, voting centres, abortion, marriage, the Angelus....just an endless stream of whinging and moaning.
    All do they is complain about church interference is all of the above, correct.
    And?


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    #780
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Shrap wrote: »
    He IS family. Who do you think you are, insinuating that he (as an atheist) should stay out of his own uncle's church funeral? :mad:

    That's outrageous, insensitive, ignorant and downright ugly. Appalling comment.

    You can stomp your feet and be appalled all you like. I did not insinuate anything. I simply said that the true atheists that I know do not go into churches . They rightly feel that they have no business in them.


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    #781
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    You can stomp your feet and be appalled all you like. I did not insinuate anything. I simply said that the true atheists that I know do not go into churches . They rightly feel that they have no business in them.

    Are non Christians not welcome to join?


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