Fire at a halting site in Dublin *Mod Warning Post #1*

Ghost Train

Happened at 4am last night, fire with multiple fatalities at a halting site in Carrickmines

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1010/733747-dublin-fire/

Mod Warning by ScienceNerd wrote: »

Mod

Several people have just lost their lives in a horrible incident, this is not the thread to have a pop at the lifestyle of the travelling community

Keep any speculation you have about the cause of the fire to yourself

Bringing posts from other threads into this one isn't on either, cut it out now

Menas

That sounds very bad. The word 'multiple' is ominous.

FionnK86

Horrible news, no one deserves to die that way. Thoughts are with the families.

jimgoose

Christ, the poor misfortunates. Some of those setups are a disaster like this waiting to happen.

Streetwalker

Horrible. Hopefully no kids involved.

Redbishop

Terrible tragedy. I feel really sorry for the victims and their families.

Menas

The independent are saying 'at least four' fatalities...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/at-least-four-fatalities-in-serious-blaze-at-south-dublin-halting-site-31598161.html

Streetwalker

I'm reading on twitter at least 10 dead with a number of kids deceased. Shocking sick reading that.

Fr_Dougal

RIP.

Unfortunately, arson is quite common on halting sites.

Ghost Train

Here's street view, shows the size of site, several mobile homes & caravans in small enough space
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2424014,-6.1908419,3a,75y,101.54h,75.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFwDo8geaythYMzSMGICEdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=53.242185~-6.189399&lvl=18&sty=h&form=LMLTCC

Boring username

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

RIP.

Unfortunately, arson is quite common on halting sites.

I wonder if this could be feud related?

Red Kev

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

RIP.

Unfortunately, arson is quite common on halting sites.

Boring username wrote: »

I wonder if this could be feud related?

Could also be a tragic accident. Maybe wait for some evidence before reaching a conclusion or wild speculation.

It could be.

Or it could be like the many reasons that cause houses to burn down. Cigarette, cooker, electrical wiring etc.

Not sure the speculation helps at this early stage.

Mental Mickey

May not be arson, may not be feud related? Could just be a tragic accident?

hotmail.com

Indo saying at least 8 people including children have died.

Horrific.

Andy-Pandy

I've been driving past that halting site for years. It was always kept in immaculate condition and with obvious pride. Rip

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Does it really matter right now? There's a lot of people dead.

The_Valeyard

Horrible news story to wake up to


Awful way to go



RIP to all the victims

Boring username

Red Kev wrote: »

Could also be a tragic accident. Maybe wait for some evidence before reaching a conclusion or wild speculation.

Hardly reaching a conclusion or wild speculation. I'm simply asking, as a lot of people will be, if there could possibly be a feud angle to this. Nothing more, nothing less. It could well be an accident as you say.

Boring username

Boring username wrote: »

Hardly reaching a conclusion or wild speculation. I'm simply asking, as a lot of people will be, if there could possibly be a feud angle to this. Nothing more, nothing less. It could well be an accident as you say.

It's a bit like hearing about the Berkeley tragedy and asking were they drunk.

Not wild speculation...merely a bit tasteless...

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

What a tragic thing to happen. For there to be that many deaths it must have really took off so quickly, sounds absolutely terrifying.

If there was malice behind this happening I really hope the Gardai leave no stone unturned in finding out who caused it.

Boring username

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

What a tragic thing to happen. For there to be that many deaths it must have really took off so quickly, sounds absolutely terrifying.

If there was malice behind this happening I really hope the Gardai leave no stone unturned in finding out who caused it.

One of the things a lot of people fail to realise about smoke inhalation is that it only takes one or two breaths to become fully unconscious, depending on what has caught fire. It can be extremely rapid.

Red Kev

Boring username wrote: »

Hardly reaching a conclusion or wild speculation. I'm simply asking, as a lot of people will be, if there could possibly be a feud angle to this. Nothing more, nothing less. It could well be an accident as you say.

The fire will be extinguished fairly quickly and its a relatively small area the fire brigade will be able to determine fairly quickly if its accidental or malicious. Maybe give them the few hours before starting comments like that.

A bit of patience is required, nothing more.

suicide_circus

hotmail.com wrote: »

Indo saying at least 8 people including children have died.

Horrific.

Good god almighty that's horrendous

tayto lover

Hate hearing of deaths like this. Awful stuff. Hope they didn't suffer.

FelineOverLord

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a bit like hearing about the Berkeley tragedy and asking were they drunk.

Not wild speculation...merely a bit tasteless...

Not really the same at all. The fire is an awful thing, but people would have concerns that if it were arson there might be more deaths as a result of reprisals. At this point we don't know.

snubbleste

I expect the same level of attention for this as the Berkeley deaths. Half-mast flags on all state buildings, a 133 page thread on boards, media opinion pieces etc

eviltwin

snubbleste wrote: »

I expect the same level of attention for this as the Berkeley deaths. Half-mast flags on all state buildings, a 133 page thread on boards, media opinion pieces etc

Good luck with that.

eviltwin

Eight members of one family....It's horrific, and the poor survivors are homeless now too. RIP

JustTheOne

snubbleste wrote: »

I expect the same level of attention for this as the Berkeley deaths. Half-mast flags on all state buildings, a 133 page thread on boards, media opinion pieces etc

That really helps the situation ffs.

Is that all you care about? Having a little dig at society to make yourself feel superior.

Pathetic.

snubbleste

JustTheOne wrote: »

That really helps the situation ffs.
Is that all you care about? Having a little dig at society to make yourself feel superior. Pathetic.

Eh, no. Just to highlight that people will obviously treat both situations as equal tragedies.

FouxDaFaFa

Terribly sad and it seems an unusually high number of deaths for a situation where the people would be in single-level, small spaces that are not as time-consuming to escape as houses and apartments. Obviously smoke inhalation will quickly end your chance to escape but it will be interesting to see what exactly happened.

Augme

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Terribly sad and it seems an unusually high number of deaths for a situation where the people would be in single-level, small spaces that are not as time-consuming to escape as houses and apartments. Obviously smoke inhalation will quickly end your chance to escape but it will be interesting to see what exactly happened.

They weren't in caravans, it was a house afaik.

Augme

Also the Gardai aren't treating it as suspicious according to the news. A missed opportunity for some good traveller bashing there which is going to be disappointing to quite a few people in After-hours.

wp_rathead

snubbleste wrote: »

Eh, no. Just to highlight that people will obviously treat both situations as equal tragedies.

Why the need to bring up Berkley though?
Genuinely don't get your point - just seems you trying get a cheap shot at the mourning that occurred over a different tragedy?
Maybe I missed your point

Skid X

That Independent article is very badly worded

Headline: 'At least eight fatalities including one child' in serious blaze at south Dublin halting site

Then in the text 'It is believed there could be at least eight fatalities including a child following an early morning fire at a halting site in south Dublin this morning.'

They should reign in the speculation.

Terrible loss of life, horrible way to go. RIP.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/at-least-eight-fatalities-including-one-child-in-serious-blaze-at-south-dublin-halting-site-31598161.html

snubbleste

Augme wrote: »

Also the Gardai aren't treating it as suspicious according to the news. A missed opportunity for some good traveller bashing there which is going to be disappointing to quite a few people in After-hours.

You cannae say that! See below

JustTheOne wrote: »

That really helps the situation ffs. Is that all you care about? Having a little dig at society to make yourself feel superior. Pathetic.

homerjay2005

Seems like 10 people in the one holiday home, 6 children.couple, their 5 children and then it's believed her sister, husband and child were staying also.must have went up in seconds.

May they all rest in peace.horrific.

Kerrydude1981

jimgoose wrote: »

Christ, the poor misfortunates. Some of those setups are a disaster like this waiting to happen.

Ya,most halting sites are very cramped,the houses are very close together as you said its a disaster waiting to happen,

I have seen one site down here and it seems that the mobile homes all have their own yard and there is a high boundary wall between each home,so maybe this is something that would stop anything like this happening,

delahuntv

Seems family had other family members over. Probably a simple tragedy of cigarette or something left on cooker and people dozed off.

Location is near golden ball - a "temporary" site, but same people have been there for years. Also seems that they were a decent crowd who took pride in their site and integrated with settled community and were members of local football and rugby clubs.

Quite the polar opposite to those early in the thread jumping to arson and fued conclusions just because they were travellers - the same way some people assume Irish people are always drunk because they are Irish.

Diamond Doll

Skid X wrote: »

That Independent article is very badly worded

Headline: 'At least eight fatalities including one child' in serious blaze at south Dublin halting site

Then in the text 'It is believed there could be at least eight fatalities including a child following an early morning fire at a halting site in south Dublin this morning.'

They should reign in the speculation.

Terrible loss of life, horrible way to go. RIP.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/at-least-eight-fatalities-including-one-child-in-serious-blaze-at-south-dublin-halting-site-31598161.html

They are now saying it's a couple with five children under ten who have died. Along with possibly another couple and their child who were visiting.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/father-mother-and-five-children-including-baby-among-ten-people-feared-dead-31598161.html

Horrible to think of, hopefully none of them woke up. I cannot imagine being a parent in that situation, waking up in the heavy smoke and trying to find your children to get them out, knowing it was hopeless.

Tipsy McSwagger

JustTheOne wrote: »

That really helps the situation ffs.

Is that all you care about? Having a little dig at society to make yourself feel superior.

Pathetic.

Funnily enough that's just what Pavee Point did with their statement when they blamed the deaths on overcrowding and a lack of accommodation for travellers.

Kerrydude1981

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Seems like 10 people in the one holiday home, 6 children.couple, their 5 children and then it's believed her sister, husband and child were staying also.must have went up in seconds.

May they all rest in peace.horrific.

What a tragic story,

RIP

Streetwalker

I worry about humanity when I read some of the comments on journal.ie and facebook.

Fleawuss

Terribly sad news.

Poor poor people.

Such a sad and horrific tragedy.

May they rest in peace.

Dan_Solo

Augme wrote: »

Also the Gardai aren't treating it as suspicious according to the news. A missed opportunity for some good traveller bashing there which is going to be disappointing to quite a few people in After-hours.

As the RTE programme showed, the only thing AGS treat seriously is any possibility one of their members will be done for criminality.

Streetwalker

Streetwalker wrote: »

I worry about humanity when I read some of the comments on journal.ie and facebook.

Dregs of society. Always think it horrible that Journal.is allow it to happen.

Absolutely horrific. Nobody deserves to die like that. Anyone who says anything ill about it wouldn't like the same said about their families, so they absolutely shouldn't do the same in turn.

baldbear

I've never seen so many red thumbs on the journal.ie about the deaths of a family & their kids. It turns my stomach that such racism exists.

One comment from a Kieran Harvey said basically less robberies and false social welfare claims to worry about.

delahuntv

And politicians falling over themselves to get their names in on the story.

Dan_Solo

baldbear wrote: »

It turns my stomach that such racism exists.

Didn't genetic tests prove travellers aren't anything close to an identifiably separate ethnic group? Culture maybe. Race, no.