Fire at a halting site in Dublin Mod Warning Post #1

FouxDaFaFa · 10-10-2015 11:45AM

Terribly sad and it seems an unusually high number of deaths for a situation where the people would be in single-level, small spaces that are not as time-consuming to escape as houses and apartments. Obviously smoke inhalation will quickly end your chance to escape but it will be interesting to see what exactly happened.

Augme · 10-10-2015 11:49AM

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Terribly sad and it seems an unusually high number of deaths for a situation where the people would be in single-level, small spaces that are not as time-consuming to escape as houses and apartments. Obviously smoke inhalation will quickly end your chance to escape but it will be interesting to see what exactly happened.

They weren't in caravans, it was a house afaik.

Augme · 10-10-2015 11:51AM

Also the Gardai aren't treating it as suspicious according to the news. A missed opportunity for some good traveller bashing there which is going to be disappointing to quite a few people in After-hours.

wp_rathead · 10-10-2015 11:52AM

snubbleste wrote: »

Eh, no. Just to highlight that people will obviously treat both situations as equal tragedies.

Why the need to bring up Berkley though?
Genuinely don't get your point - just seems you trying get a cheap shot at the mourning that occurred over a different tragedy?
Maybe I missed your point

Skid X · 10-10-2015 11:52AM

That Independent article is very badly worded

Headline: 'At least eight fatalities including one child' in serious blaze at south Dublin halting site

Then in the text 'It is believed there could be at least eight fatalities including a child following an early morning fire at a halting site in south Dublin this morning.'

They should reign in the speculation.

Terrible loss of life, horrible way to go. RIP.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/at-least-eight-fatalities-including-one-child-in-serious-blaze-at-south-dublin-halting-site-31598161.html

snubbleste · 10-10-2015 11:54AM

Augme wrote: »

Also the Gardai aren't treating it as suspicious according to the news. A missed opportunity for some good traveller bashing there which is going to be disappointing to quite a few people in After-hours.

You cannae say that! See below

JustTheOne wrote: »

That really helps the situation ffs. Is that all you care about? Having a little dig at society to make yourself feel superior. Pathetic.

homerjay2005 · 10-10-2015 12:15PM

Seems like 10 people in the one holiday home, 6 children.couple, their 5 children and then it's believed her sister, husband and child were staying also.must have went up in seconds.

May they all rest in peace.horrific.

Kerrydude1981 · 10-10-2015 12:17PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Christ, the poor misfortunates. Some of those setups are a disaster like this waiting to happen.

Ya,most halting sites are very cramped,the houses are very close together as you said its a disaster waiting to happen,

I have seen one site down here and it seems that the mobile homes all have their own yard and there is a high boundary wall between each home,so maybe this is something that would stop anything like this happening,

delahuntv · 10-10-2015 12:23PM

Seems family had other family members over. Probably a simple tragedy of cigarette or something left on cooker and people dozed off.

Location is near golden ball - a "temporary" site, but same people have been there for years. Also seems that they were a decent crowd who took pride in their site and integrated with settled community and were members of local football and rugby clubs.

Quite the polar opposite to those early in the thread jumping to arson and fued conclusions just because they were travellers - the same way some people assume Irish people are always drunk because they are Irish.

Diamond Doll · 10-10-2015 12:23PM

Skid X wrote: »

That Independent article is very badly worded

Headline: 'At least eight fatalities including one child' in serious blaze at south Dublin halting site

Then in the text 'It is believed there could be at least eight fatalities including a child following an early morning fire at a halting site in south Dublin this morning.'

They should reign in the speculation.

Terrible loss of life, horrible way to go. RIP.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/at-least-eight-fatalities-including-one-child-in-serious-blaze-at-south-dublin-halting-site-31598161.html

They are now saying it's a couple with five children under ten who have died. Along with possibly another couple and their child who were visiting.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/father-mother-and-five-children-including-baby-among-ten-people-feared-dead-31598161.html

Horrible to think of, hopefully none of them woke up. I cannot imagine being a parent in that situation, waking up in the heavy smoke and trying to find your children to get them out, knowing it was hopeless.

Tipsy McSwagger · 10-10-2015 12:24PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

That really helps the situation ffs.

Is that all you care about? Having a little dig at society to make yourself feel superior.

Pathetic.

Funnily enough that's just what Pavee Point did with their statement when they blamed the deaths on overcrowding and a lack of accommodation for travellers.

Kerrydude1981 · 10-10-2015 12:24PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Seems like 10 people in the one holiday home, 6 children.couple, their 5 children and then it's believed her sister, husband and child were staying also.must have went up in seconds.

May they all rest in peace.horrific.

What a tragic story,

RIP

Streetwalker · 10-10-2015 12:29PM

I worry about humanity when I read some of the comments on journal.ie and facebook.

Fleawuss · 10-10-2015 12:46PM

Terribly sad news.

10-10-2015 12:48PM

Poor poor people.

Such a sad and horrific tragedy.

May they rest in peace.

Dan_Solo · 10-10-2015 12:52PM

Augme wrote: »

Also the Gardai aren't treating it as suspicious according to the news. A missed opportunity for some good traveller bashing there which is going to be disappointing to quite a few people in After-hours.

As the RTE programme showed, the only thing AGS treat seriously is any possibility one of their members will be done for criminality.

10-10-2015 12:59PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

I worry about humanity when I read some of the comments on journal.ie and facebook.

Dregs of society. Always think it horrible that Journal.is allow it to happen.

Absolutely horrific. Nobody deserves to die like that. Anyone who says anything ill about it wouldn't like the same said about their families, so they absolutely shouldn't do the same in turn.

baldbear · 10-10-2015 01:15PM

I've never seen so many red thumbs on the journal.ie about the deaths of a family & their kids. It turns my stomach that such racism exists.

One comment from a Kieran Harvey said basically less robberies and false social welfare claims to worry about.

delahuntv · 10-10-2015 01:16PM

And politicians falling over themselves to get their names in on the story.

Dan_Solo · 10-10-2015 01:19PM

baldbear wrote: »

It turns my stomach that such racism exists.

Didn't genetic tests prove travellers aren't anything close to an identifiably separate ethnic group? Culture maybe. Race, no.

Qualitymark · 10-10-2015 01:20PM

A highly respected local family: father, mother, four boys and a baby girl, and probably also the wife's sister, her husband and their child. People whose children were in local teams, who were well known and much liked in their neighbourhood. The local community is swinging into action, neighbours bringing food, and clothes to replace what the survivors have lost. Family are arriving to help and comfort.

godtabh · 10-10-2015 01:24PM

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I've been driving past that halting site for years. It was always kept in immaculate condition and with obvious pride. Rip

I'm the same. Was meant to be out cycling early and the site was on my route which would have brought be by the site around 5:15. Glad I gave it a miss this morning. Must have been horrible scenes there this morning.

RIP

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2015 01:26PM

Sorry but I just can't get this at all. This is the way these people want to live and I find the whole thing ridiculous. Why are we tolerating and giving to a subsection that contributes nothing to this society?

I'm actually angry. I have full sympathy for the victims and it's a horrible incident but there are matters that we seriously need to address and then maybe such incidents can be avoided.

I'm totally lost for words. I fully expect the usual nonsense from the Irish Traveller Movement and Pavee Point and all the rest of them. Defend this, tell us it's their culture - instead of bull****ting just come out and explain why living like this is appropriate in the 21st century other than being a front for criminal behavior.

It's crazy. And the result is "accidents" like this. Horrible.

Autonomous Cowherd · 10-10-2015 01:29PM

God, it's an absolutely horrific tragedy. Just read about it. Almost hard to believe. Must have been a very young family too, with the ages of the children. We slept in a family bed, the five of us, when the children were small, so it's quite natural for them all to have been in the one place. I can just see them all cosied up happily last evening, babas asleep, the younger ones dozing, safe with their Ma and Da nearby, parents chatting - not knowing what the night would bring.
I don't know how their poor relations will get over it. May the poor people rest in peace.

Dan_Solo · 10-10-2015 01:29PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm totally lost for words. I fully expect the usual nonsense from the Irish Traveller Movement and Pavee Point and all the rest of them. Defend this, tell us it's their culture - instead of bull****ting just come out and explain why living like this is appropriate in the 21st century other than being a front for criminal behavior.

It's crazy. And the result is "accidents" like this. Horrible.

What information do you have that this wasn't an accident that could've happened to anybody?
Care to share it with us?

SKETT · 10-10-2015 01:31PM

When those 7 pricks were being sentenced for aggravated burglary in Tipperary less than 2 weeks ago, nobody had a good word to say about the travelling community. Now that 9 people have died in a halting site fire, the travelling community are god's gift to society. The hypocrisy is astounding. Make up your minds.

Autonomous Cowherd · 10-10-2015 01:32PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sorry but I just can't get this at all. This is the way these people want to live and I find the whole thing ridiculous. Why are we tolerating and giving to a subsection that contributes nothing to this society?

I'm actually angry. I have full sympathy for the victims and it's a horrible incident but there are matters that we seriously need to address and then maybe such incidents can be avoided.

I'm totally lost for words. I fully expect the usual nonsense from the Irish Traveller Movement and Pavee Point and all the rest of them. Defend this, tell us it's their culture - instead of bull****ting just come out and explain why living like this is appropriate in the 21st century other than being a front for criminal behavior.

It's crazy. And the result is "accidents" like this. Horrible.

Not everyone HAS to live the way you consider appropriate. People live in different ways. This was a normal family.

eviltwin · 10-10-2015 01:34PM

SKETT wrote: »

When those 7 pricks were being sentenced for aggravated burglary in Tipperary less than 2 weeks ago, nobody had a good word to say about the travelling community. Now that 9 people have died in a halting site fire, the travelling community are god's gift to society. The hypocrisy is astounding. Make up your minds.

The tragedy has nothing to do with wider problems in the travelling community. By all accounts this was a well respected, well liked family and even if they weren't innocent children are dead, have a bit of respect ffs. This is not the thread for discussing the social issues relating to travellers.

Diamond Doll · 10-10-2015 01:37PM

SKETT wrote: »

When those 7 pricks were being sentenced for aggravated burglary in Tipperary less than 2 weeks ago, nobody had a good word to say about the travelling community. Now that 9 people have died in a halting site fire, the travelling community are god's gift to society. The hypocrisy is astounding. Make up your minds.

Jesus.

I'm pretty sure the ten people (including six children) who died last night weren't personally involved in that incident.

Yes, the seven scumbags involved in that incident were the absolute dregs of society and should be locked up for as long as possible.

That does not mean anyone thinks all travellers are scumbags.

Nor does this incident mean that all travellers are, as you put it, "god's gift to society."

They are all people. Some are good, some are not. Just like any of the rest of us.

Menas · 10-10-2015 01:38PM

SKETT wrote: »

When those 7 pricks were being sentenced for aggravated burglary in Tipperary less than 2 weeks ago, nobody had a good word to say about the travelling community. Now that 9 people have died in a halting site fire, the travelling community are god's gift to society. The hypocrisy is astounding. Make up your minds.

Those 7 were male and white. Does that make all white males the scum of the earth too?

A baby of 6 months was amongst those who died FFS.

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