Eir rural FTTH thread

trompele

Today I spoke to KN engineers splicing fiber for FTTH roll-out in Courtown. Had a chat with guys and took few pictures of how the poles look like when they are being prepared for fibre runs. Apparently KN work will be completed in week or two and exchange may go live in December. Few pictures http://imgur.com/a/5hmCj

You can see that 24 or 12 core wire is attached to the poles with white tape waiting to be spliced.

oscarBravo

That white ducting with the blue stripe in the last picture is a dead giveaway. It's 14/10mm micro-ducting designed to have fibre blown through it with compressed air.

9726_9726

trompele wrote: »

Today I spoke to KN engineers splicing fiber for FTTH roll-out in Courtown. Had a chat with guys and took few pictures of how the poles look like when they are being prepared for fibre runs. Apparently KN work will be completed in week or two and exchange may go live in December. Few pictures http://imgur.com/a/5hmCj

You can see that 24 or 12 core wire is attached to the poles with white tape waiting to be spliced.

Love the way some enterprising individual has used the pole for a yard light and a dome cam!

scottyboi_2016

They've ran fibre along the poles on my road in Dunleer, Co. Louth in the past week and replaced about 6 poles while they were at it.

scottyboi_2016

They've ran fibre along the poles on my road in Dunleer, Co. Louth in the past week and replaced about 6 poles while they were at it.

lucernarian

scottyboi_2016 wrote: »

They've ran fibre along the poles on my road in Dunleer, Co. Louth in the past week and replaced about 6 poles while they were at it.

Good to hear! Dunleer's had better maintenance and upkeep of plant than some other exchanges in Louth, the Drogheda and Termonfeckin ones in particular. I'm surprised they needed to replace any poles around there.

Have they worked on anywhere in Louth apart from Dunleer?

Gwynston

trompele wrote: »

Had a chat with guys and took few pictures of how the poles look like when they are being prepared for fibre runs....Few pictures http://imgur.com/a/5hmCj
You can see that 24 or 12 core wire is attached to the poles with white tape waiting to be spliced.

Do all the poles end up looking like that?
I haven't had a close look at the area near me I saw them working on recently, but driving past I thought I saw something like that on one or two poles - a coil of cable strapped near the top of the poles with tape.

But I seemed to only spot that on the last couple of poles that correspond to the end of a blue line on the map. A quarter of a mile closer to the cab from there where I live, there's nothing on the poles.

Colm R

Question about how fibre enters the home.

Up to what point does Eir have responsibility for providing the fibre cable when these virtual blue lines are replaced by actual fibre.

Is it up to the pole outside my house (actually across the road), to the top of the gable wall where it enters the house, or all the way to the socket in the living room at the far end of the house, traveling across the attic?

Or does it connect to copper cable from pole outside?

Just out of curiosity is all. Would have no problem at all paying for the fibre cable to run to the road along side the existing overhead copper cable but would prefer their engineers to do the work. Which brings about the next question - if the fibre is all the way into the house, is the parallel copper cable needed anymore - will it be removed?

If the existing copper is to be used, in my case I have a cat 5 cable running from the point inside the attic right to the socket, what is the set up where the fibre and copper meet?

The Cush

Colm R wrote: »

Question about how fibre enters the home.

Up to what point does Eir have responsibility for providing the fibre cable when these virtual blue lines are replaced by actual fibre.

Is it up to the pole outside my house (actually across the road), to the top of the gable wall where it enters the house, or all the way to the socket in the living room at the far end of the house, traveling across the attic?

Or does it connect to copper cable from pole outside?

Just out of curiosity is all. Would have no problem at all paying for the fibre cable to run to the road along side the existing overhead copper cable but would prefer their engineers to do the work. Which brings about the next question - if the fibre is all the way into the house, is the parallel copper cable needed anymore - will it be removed?

If the existing copper is to be used, in my case I have a cat 5 cable running from the point inside the attic right to the socket, what is the set up where the fibre and copper meet?

Fibre all the way to ONT, the physical demarcation point for open-eir's FTTH service (service termination point) is the Optical Network Terminal (ONT) in the end user's premises, beyond this responsibility passes to the ISP. open-eir will install a remote data point from the ONT if requested during the initial order.

See open-eir's IPM, pages 90 & 160 for details - http://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=3985 also their Technical Handbook, pages 54 & 63 - http://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2785

Links to some install pics and subsequent discussion posted here late last year - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=99818268

Copper still required if you keep the landline phone.

grouchyman

The Cush wrote: »

Copper still required if you keep the landline phone.

Does anybody know if this means that there will be two cables coming into the house from the Telephone pole:- one copper and one Fibre? Will they both terminate at the same point

daraghwal

The Cush wrote: »

Colm R wrote: »

Question about how fibre enters the home.

Up to what point does Eir have responsibility for providing the fibre cable when these virtual blue lines are replaced by actual fibre.

Is it up to the pole outside my house (actually across the road), to the top of the gable wall where it enters the house, or all the way to the socket in the living room at the far end of the house, traveling across the attic?

Or does it connect to copper cable from pole outside?

Just out of curiosity is all. Would have no problem at all paying for the fibre cable to run to the road along side the existing overhead copper cable but would prefer their engineers to do the work. Which brings about the next question - if the fibre is all the way into the house, is the parallel copper cable needed anymore - will it be removed?

If the existing copper is to be used, in my case I have a cat 5 cable running from the point inside the attic right to the socket, what is the set up where the fibre and copper meet?

Fibre all the way to ONT, the physical demarcation point for open-eir's FTTH service (service termination point) is the Optical Network Terminal (ONT) in the end user's premises, beyond this responsibility passes to the ISP. open-eir will install a remote data point from the ONT if requested during the initial order.

See open-eir's IPM, pages 90 & 160 for details - http://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=3985 also their Technical Handbook, pages 54 & 63 - http://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2785

Links to some install pics and subsequent discussion posted here late last year - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=99818268

Copper still required if you keep the landline phone.

And he copper will most likely be switched off in the futute

damienirel

Didn't realise that the copper would still be used - guess it makes sense as the customer could have internal wiring for a few phone points around the house. Great post The Cush!

plodder

damienirel wrote: »

Didn't realise that the copper would still be used - guess it makes sense as the customer could have internal wiring for a few phone points around the house. Great post The Cush!

It's hard to imagine many people continuing to pay rental on a copper phone line when they have up to 1Gb broadband coming in over fibre. Internal phone extensions could still be used if you can get some kind of voip to legacy phone adapter.

I suspect Eir will encourage people to abandon the old phone lines, at some point, though probably not before the USO gets updated so they have some mechanism for switching it off area by area.

ED E

The Cush wrote: »

open-eir will install a remote data point from the ONT if requested during the initial order.

Re-sellers have been slow to offer this/pay for it during the FTTC rollout, you may not be provided the option depending on who you order with.

damienirel

ED E wrote: »

Re-sellers have been slow to offer this/pay for it during the FTTC rollout, you may not be provided the option depending on who you order with.

But you don't get an ONT with a FTTC connection? what am I missing?

oscarBravo

damienirel wrote: »

But you don't get an ONT with a FTTC connection? what am I missing?

An ONT terminates fibre. A FTTC connection is VDSL - it comes in on a phone line. No optical to terminate.

edit: oh yeah, I see the confusion. No, I don't know what ED E is on about either.

ED E

damienirel wrote: »

But you don't get an ONT with a FTTC connection? what am I missing?

oscarBravo wrote: »

An ONT terminates fibre. A FTTC connection is VDSL - it comes in on a phone line. No optical to terminate.

edit: oh yeah, I see the confusion. No, I don't know what ED E is on about either.

FTTC has an MDP, FTTH has an ODP. Both have the option of a DPE (Alphabet soup!) or Data Point Extension.

With FTTC: VDSL to the MDP then extended to the modem at a DPE over UTP cabling.
With FTTH: GPON to the ONT(Hallway etc) then ethernet to a DPE(Under stairs, living room etc) where the ISP modem is connected.

The Cush

ED E wrote: »

Re-sellers have been slow to offer this/pay for it during the FTTC rollout, you may not be provided the option depending on who you order with.

Are eir the only reseller of open-eir's FTTH product at the moment, if so adding the data port extension shouldn't be an issue. In any case it's not free, there is a cost attached (€55/€85 wholesale).

Gonzo

The Cush wrote: »

Are eir the only reseller of open-eir's FTTH product at the moment, if so adding the data port extension shouldn't be an issue. In any case it's not free, there is a cost attached.

Pure Telecom are reselling Eir's FTTH https://www.puretelecom.ie/lightning-fibre/

Everyone else seems to be reselling Siro's FTTH.

ED E

The Cush wrote: »

Are eir the only reseller of open-eir's FTTH product at the moment, if so adding the data port extension shouldn't be an issue. In any case it's not free, there is a cost attached.

In the past its not been passed to the customer. Eir did it FoC but Vodafone just said no. Charging at the point of sale will be a hard nugget for telesales staff to push.

damienirel

ED E wrote: »

FTTC has an MDP, FTTH has an ODP. Both have the option of a DPE (Alphabet soup!) or Data Point Extension.

With FTTC: VDSL to the MDP then extended to the modem at a DPE over UTP cabling.
With FTTH: GPON to the ONT(Hallway etc) then ethernet to a DPE(Under stairs, living room etc) where the ISP modem is connected.

So yeah in short you don't get an ONT with a FTTC connection.
Then open-eir won't be able to install a remote data point from a non existent ONT.
Forget about yer alphabet soup stuff has to make sense first!

ED E

I've been talking about a DPE the whole time, read the original post by Cush and myself. Never claimed you'd have an ONT.

damienirel

ED E wrote: »

I've been talking about a DPE the whole time, read the original post by Cush and myself. Never claimed you'd have an ONT.

Apologies, didn't go back far enough in the thread - woopsie!
Just when I hear or read a bunch of acronyms in one place I find it annoying.

Gonzo

Was near Virginia today on the L3024 near munterconnaught and saw plenty of fiber coiled around poles and OpenEir vans driving around the place, all action up there. The only thing that struck me is that it all looked quite untidy, worth it tho for the fiber it will deliver!

philroche

Hi guys. I haven't followed this thread religiously so apologies if something like this has been posted before.

I wrote a simple python script to find the status of my exchange which saves me hovering over the exchange in http://www.openeir.ie/NGAnetwork.aspx each time I want to see if there are any updates.

https://github.com/philroche/fibrerollout

I have built stand alone binaries for Windows, Mac and Linux to save you having to install anything.

You will have to run it from the command line/terminal.

fibrerollout.exe --exchange COT

Which produces the following output:

COOTEHALL - Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is Winter 2016. Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services is Winter 2016
Source: http://e09b23f16375c2e830a8-04361240f0fcddabb02028a259afe028.r52.cf3.rackcdn.com/nga-exchanges-2014.csv



I hope it is of use to someone.

Phil

marcel353

Quick one,

Dunshaughlin exchange
Trim road R154
Fibre on poles now,

Gonzo

marcel353 wrote: »

Quick one,

Dunshaughlin exchange
Trim road R154
Fibre on poles now,

When were they doing that? Hopefully they'll make it over to the east side of Dunshaughlin over next few days!

edit: Could be from the Batterstown cabinet rather than a Dunshaughlin one

superloopy

Got the number of a KN engineer or fella high enough up and rang him about the Headford exchange. I didn't want to annoy him too much and he sounded busy. He basically told me march was ambitious. Haven't started tree cutting or any major preparation yet. He was vague enough. I will be lucky if I'm enjoying fibre by the end of next summer.

PR is PR is PR.

Eir seem to be talking a big game. Delivery is not easy I'm sure but don't get people excited with actual dates and know that are unrealistic. It's not a way to build confidence in a brand. Eircom live on I'm afraid.

KeRbDoG

philroche wrote: »

Hi guys. I haven't followed this thread religiously so apologies if something like this has been posted before.

I wrote a simple python script to find the status of my exchange which saves me hovering over the exchange in http://www.openeir.ie/NGAnetwork.aspx each time I want to see if there are any updates.

https://github.com/philroche/fibrerollout

I have built stand alone binaries for Windows, Mac and Linux to save you having to install anything.

You will have to run it from the command line/terminal.

fibrerollout.exe --exchange COT

Which produces the following output:

COOTEHALL - Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is Winter 2016. Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services is Winter 2016
Source: http://e09b23f16375c2e830a8-04361240f0fcddabb02028a259afe028.r52.cf3.rackcdn.com/nga-exchanges-2014.csv

I hope it is of use to someone.

Phil

Thats class Now, if only they could provide data for their cabs rather than the central exchange as in - while Swords is noted as FTTC for "16350 premises" it mentions "estimated date for first Live FTTH"-"Winter 2016/ Spring 2017".
The exchange itself supports a massive amount of the rural area around it. No details if they plan to rollout from those cabs as I'm guessing FTTH will be using existing fiber from the exchange->cab and then cab->home...right?

Gonzo

superloopy wrote: »

Got the number of a KN engineer or fella high enough up and rang him about the Headford exchange. I didn't want to annoy him too much and he sounded busy. He basically told me march was ambitious. Haven't started tree cutting or any major preparation yet. He was vague enough. I will be lucky if I'm enjoying fibre by the end of next summer.

PR is PR is PR.

Eir seem to be talking a big game. Delivery is not easy I'm sure but don't get people excited with actual dates and know that are unrealistic. It's not a way to build confidence in a brand. Eircom live on I'm afraid.

What surprised me the most was the first 300,000 premises had a plan to be finished by 2020 which is ambitious, then after delays in starting Eir announce that they will have all 300,000 completed by end of 2018, I can't see how they are gonna do this considering how slow things are right now getting going.