Rugby 101 - Know your rucks from your mauls!

theintern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121630881#Comment_121630881

I don't know if every prop can drop in at hooker though at a high level. I've seen the official forms from all provinces over the last season or two and they aren't listing all front rows as LH, TH, H capable. Likewise they're not listing all props as TH/LH. There are still definitely specialists in all positions. I think they're just more likely to list it down if someone does have some experience.

Water John

A hooker might not be suitable or able to prop, but most props could fill in as a hooker.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121635461#Comment_121635461

Exactly - The concern is player safety and a Prop is perfectly safe to move the the hooker position for scrummaging purposes.

They might not be very good at it and probably won't be able to throw in but there should be no safety concerns , which is the reasons for the various laws around "qualified substitutions" etc.

Clontarf_Jazz

Rule change : I'd really like to see the powers that be introduce this rule change which is akin to the Champions League in soccer i.e. it a player amasses 2 yellow cards in the 4 group stages matches the he is suspended for the next knockout match. It would help to punish certain serial offenders & would I may I think help prevent anyone one 1 yellow card from committing deliberate foul play in a subsequent match or see his team leave him out of the starting line up.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652767#Comment_121652767

I like the idea of there being further risk for "serial offenders" but not sure about a 2 card threshold , particularly given that Rugby has the concept of the "team yellow" that doesn't exist in Soccer and also the fact that you can get a yellow card for non foul play actions depending on where they occur on the field.

Take for example the Leinster game on Saturday , Jack Conan got a card for a simple off-side offence because the team were on a warning following a series of earlier penalties. Conan had only been on the pitch for a few minutes at that point so he wasn't the one giving away the earlier penalties.

It would be very harsh for a player to miss out on a later KO game because they picked up a "team yellow" in a group game.

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652767#Comment_121652767

Dont think you can compare the two sports. You can have team yellows in rugby which penalises individual in a way you dont see in soccer.

I dont think a yellow in a previous game should affect players like that especially getting a punishment for 2 yellows.

sydthebeat

Plus the obvious big difference between the two sports is a yellow in soccer isn't penalised during the game, where as it is in rugby.

Therefore there has to be a sanction in soccer for an accumulation of yellow cards, otherwise everyone can foul to a yellow card level with impunity

Ardillaun

Something that really annoys me is players hanging onto a ball in touch and preventing a throw-in etc. IMO there should be a penalty if the ball is not instantly released.

BoardsMember

Law change suggestion - scrum against if a player on the attacking team joins the ruck after the ref calls "use it".

Also, option for the ref to yellow card during phase play. Won't always be possible, but if a side needs 4 points or more at end of game (for example) he could roar at a specific number to leave the field. Would make it easier for the attacking team. Ref could give pen try if it's ignored.

Water John

Use it, should have a definite time frame that's implemented. Whether that's five seconds or possibly three.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893012#Comment_121893012

Agree with something to be done about players joining the ruck, especially, if they're only there to extend the length of the ruck

Wouldn't agree with your second point at all.

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893012#Comment_121893012

I dont see why a scrum against should be called if a player joins after use it is called. 5 seconds is a long time for a ruck and dynamic of ruck can still chamge a lot in that time so players should still be able to join to contest ruck/protect the ball.

Yellow card suring phase play isnt really possible. Roar at player to leave. Yeah that really foibg to work. You cant give a penalty try if they refused. A penalty try is only awarded if a probable try would have been scored but for foul play

Water John

Lots of changes coming possibly but at least dealing with 'use it' and the caterpillar:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/mar/19/world-rugby-plans-speed-up-sport-broaden-appeal

blackwhite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121913705#Comment_121913705

Good to see that the French TV directors are finally being tackled 😁

World Rugby also wants to look at “setting new minimum standards for technology providers” amid a number of complaints that replays have not been available or shown during the Six Nations.

lawrencesummers

the decision in yesterday's game to come back for the scrum after a knock on was kicked away by james Lowe and went dead.

What are people take on it? My understanding until yesterday was as soon as you put boot to ball in knock-on advantage then its advantage over

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122017928#Comment_122017928

I've seen kicks called advantage over as soon as the kick happens but I've also seen refs wait to see if the kick stays in play. In Lowe's kick, as the ball didn't go straight to touch or dead immediately from the kick I thought ref should have called advantage over.

BoardsMember

What about the knock on by Leinster off the LAR kick that didn't go 10. Surely should have been a scrum for not going 10?

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122018448#Comment_122018448

Leinster deemed to have played the kick so its lar scrum

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122018448#Comment_122018448

If a restart doesn't go 10 but the opposition play it, it's deemed ok. So the scrum for the knock on was the correct decision

BoardsMember

Thanks, I never knew that.

theintern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122017928#Comment_122017928

I personally though this was strange too. But I was doing something else while watching and didn't get a good luck at Lowe while he kicked. Was he under pressure from a defender?

If the player gets a chance to kick the ball, and isn't under severe pressure, that's advantage over for me.

If the player snatches at a kick under pressure and makes a hames of it, I'd bring it back for a scrum.

Law 7.1.a says that advantage "May be tactical. The non-offending team is free to play the ball as they wish.". Kicking while not under pressure would come under that definition for me.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122022214#Comment_122022214

I think, getting the ball back from a knock on should be enough of an advantage, use it as you wish.

Going back for a scrum just slows the game down.

If a player knocks on but that team regathers the ball, blow it up for a scrum to the opposing team.