Making people start work before 9am is 'torture' says sleep expert

Robsweezie

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/09/09/expert-sleep-deprivation-torture-later-work-day/71936336/

its now thought that the 9-5 routine is damaging us. Personally im not mad about getting up in the morning, not a morning person by a long shot but its a good habit to get into, you can feel better afterwards having dragged yourself out even on your worst, most exhausted days.

do you back this? a later start like 10am sounds like a good enough compromise without losing too much of the day.

316

Half 11 is early enough.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Doesn't matter. If you start work at 10am you'll still be expected to put in your 8/9 hour day. If just like to go in early and get it out of the way.

I work nights at the moment, that's torture. Give me 8-4 any day.

jimgoose

Nope. I'm a "high and tight at 0600" merchant.

fleet_admiral

316 wrote: »

Half 11 is early enough.

Half 7 is a lie in to me

Triangla

Need to get up later = stay up later night before

Just go to bed at an earlier time if you think being at work for 9 is an early start. The day is half over at 9 o clock ffs!

wil

Flexi.
Whatever keeps you less time in traffic especially when it can be so variable.
Ridiculous.to enforce strict start times for most non time critical jobs when it's about getting stuff done, not about showing up. Punctuality and timekeeping is fine for jobs running to particular schedules and for clockwatchers.

Eugene Norman

Triangla wrote: »

Need to get up later = stay up later night before

Just go to bed at an earlier time if you think being at work for 9 is an early start. The day is half over at 9 o clock ffs!

Some people are night owls.

And the day is half over by local noon. Which is about 1:30 pm in Dublin summer time.

timthumbni

I am descended from a long line of bears. I don't like being awakened before 11am. Otherwise I'm cranky. Getting up at 6am for work is like serious abuse to me. I'm still going well after the midnight oil though unlike my "early bird" partner. The wimp.

TheMilkyPirate

Working nights the last two years, Just got a new job working 9-6 starting Monday and cannot wait for a change. I love mornings once I'm up and I can finally relax in the evening after work instead of going straight to bed.

Sure that was why Maxi had to stop doing her morning radio show on Radio 1. Years of early starts were messing with her body clock and made her quite sick.

Old Perry

Enforcing strict work times will simply not happen. to many business's operate on various different start times for a reason.

i start at 6 and i have to say whatever about getting up early but i dont mind it. Get up at four and have the whole day ahead either way, work is work no matter what time you wake up at you still gotta do the time.

KERSPLAT!

I do 9-6, would much rather 8-4.30 and just take a 30 minute lunch as opposed to an hour!

I don't like early mornings but I hate getting home at 6.30 more, sure the evening is near over by the time you've had dinner

eternal

I used to do a 7-5 shift five days a week. You'd be so exhausted you could do very little even at the weekends. Not recommended long term.

PARlance

Once this expert can convince the kids to stay in bed for an extra 2 hours then I'm fully on board.

Senna

I've spent most of my working life on 12-9pm, 3-3am, etc. Its he'll, your whole day is ruined, you get do much before a 12pm start and you cant do anything after a 9pm finish.
Hopefully leaving this industry soon and starting a 9-5pm job, if I could do 6-2pm or 7-3pm Id be in heaven.

Eugene Norman

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I do 9-6, would much rather 8-4.30 and just take a 30 minute lunch as opposed to an hour!

I don't like early mornings but I hate getting home at 6.30 more, sure the evening is near over by the time you've had dinner

You are forced to lunch?

Eugene Norman

I too would prefer a 7-3 shift rather than 9-5 were I not a night owl. Problem is I am.

kona

Hahaha 9-5 is for kids in school.

KERSPLAT!

Eugene Norman wrote: »

You are forced to lunch?

Forced to work 9-6. I could just take a 30 minute lunch but I'd still have to work till 6 so what's the point.

RDM_83 again

Senna wrote: »

I've spent most of my working life on 12-9pm, 3-3am, etc. Its he'll, your whole day is ruined, you get do much before a 12pm start and you cant do anything after a 9pm finish.
Hopefully leaving this industry soon and starting a 9-5pm job, if I could do 6-2pm or 7-3pm Id be in heaven.

Worked a fair few different hours in the "normal" working hours range, your right about 7-3.30 its nice (but it is easy to build up a big sleep debt without realizing it)


7-3.30 Best your off early enough to have a good bit of time to get too things that close at 4.30-6 (museums, banks, a lot of shops)

8 - 4.30 Not as good, still have to go to bed early and not enough time in the afternoon to do much,

9 - 5.30 Better can stay up a bit later e.g catch a film or have a few quiet scoops without hitting the sleep. Downside- hit the rush hour.

10 - 6.30 2nd Best, loose the entire afternoon but can stay up late and go to gigs and events

Mint Aero

As if 9 to 5 exists. I work 8 to 7 five days a week

ToddyDoody

Robsweezie wrote: »

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/09/09/expert-sleep-deprivation-torture-later-work-day/71936336/

its now thought that the 9-5 routine is damaging us. Personally im not mad about getting up in the morning, not a morning person by a long shot but its a good habit to get into, you can feel better afterwards having dragged yourself out even on your worst, most exhausted days.

do you back this? a later start like 10am sounds like a good enough compromise without losing too much of the day.

so could someone now argue a case to the European Court of Human rights based on this evidence?

beks101

I'm up at 5am every morning, early run then in for work at 7am.

That first alarm never really gets any less "OMG FML THIS IS BULLSH1T I WANT TO DIE" but I find five minutes into my run I'm enjoying that special early-morning silence and the birds tweeting and empty roads far more than an extra hour in bed. It's really a beautiful thing.

Did night shifts regularly in my last job and that is like living on a different planet. As the week passes you literally begin to feel like you're dying more and more. I'd say that kind of thing long-term could kill you.

Kiwi in IE

I'm definately a night owl. I hate mornings. If I have to set an alarm to get up before the time I'd wake naturally (about 0930), I instantly feel irritable on waking. This passes very quickly but waking up early makes me irritable. Unfortunately with a child who starts school at 0920, this happens almost every morning. I am a nurse and work shift work and the best shift I ever worked was a 1500-2300 shift that we used to do in the hospital I worked in in NZ. I find it much easier to stay up all night on a night duty than get up before 0700. I also hate going to bed early. My preferred sleeping times would be about 0100 until 0930-1000.

The Backwards Man

An hour before 12 is worth two after it. For both work and sleep.

Says he at 1.30 am!

eeguy

I have a "so long as the work gets done it's OK" job. They don't care if I rock in at 10 or 11pm.

But they also don't care when I'm still here at 8 or 9pm working late to meet a deadline.

wil

The Backwards Man wrote: »

An hour before 12 is worth two after it. For both work and sleep.

Says he at 1.30 am!

So conversely wasting 1.5 hours here after 12 is not as bad as wasting an hour before 12. :cool:

EoinAFC

Once i'm up i'm generally active. I'm much more productive the earlier on in the day. Starting later would mean taking time off an evening, much rather have an evening off.

KungPao

I have worked some weird shifts - 6pm to "finish" perhaps midnight or perhaps after 6am...even to 9am (toy shop at xmas for many years) and teaching from 7-9am then back home to sleep and back in for 5-9pm. That may sound like craziness to honest to goodness 9 to 5ers, but it was, in an odd way, easier and fun actually, than a 9 to 5.

As a job seeker now, a 9 to 5 fills me with dread*

*Any employers looking for a good honest hard worker with good IT skills in D.3/CC , let me know...even if it's 9 to 5

The_Valeyard

I hate going to bed
I hate getting out of bed


What's the solution?

Tony EH

People's rhythms are very different to one another.

I hate the mornings, so luckily I'm in a job where I can go into work for about 10 or so. I absolutely cannot stand "having" to be somewhere in the morning and the shit that that entails.

I'm more of a "night person", which is why I'm up now doing some work, listening to the 'Conan The Barbarian' soundtrack and arsing about on boards.

KungPao

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I hate going to bed
I hate getting out of bed


What's the solution?

Become a chronic alcoholic?

Get well on before bed and drift off into blissful slumber...then be desperate to get up and have an aul drink to normalise.

Although rumour has it, it may affect your life in a negative way.

Eugene Norman

2am

Pretty sure this thread will be pro night owl for another hour. Then go quiet. Then become pro-lark at 6am-10.

The Backwards Man

Eugene Norman wrote: »

2am

Pretty sure this thread will be pro night owl for another hour. Then go quiet. Then become pro-lark at 6am-10.

You're forgetting about the poor cnuts of nightowls and larks that have to stay wakened to keep the rest of the nightowls and larks and safe when they'd rather be sleeping.

wil

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I hate going to bed
I hate getting out of bed


What's the solution?

Sleep on the floor

B.A._Baracus

There is a solution tho and that's start your own business.If you can of course.

Royal Irish

I struggle to get up out of bed to get my dole before the post office closes at 5pm.

Assetbacked

Would do hard time to be able to come into work for half nine or ten instead of nine. Waking up after half eight is ideal. Currently my alarm goes off at 7:30am and I suck the life out of every minute after that I'm still in bed like a famished African sucking on a cow's udder.

shugy

up at 6.30 every morning and work my balls of till 5, id love a 9-5 job

shugy

Royal Irish wrote: »

I struggle to get up out of bed to get my dole before the post office closes at 5pm.

lol,

bee06

My hours are 8 to 4.30 and 3.30 on a Friday. I'd hate to start later. Used to start at 8.30 but would still be in at 8.00 to avoid the traffic anyway. Plus I like the quiet in the office before everyone else comes in at 8.30 or 9. My natural waking time seems to be 6.30 at the moment anyway so even if I started later I'd still be awake early.

H3llR4iser

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201005/why-night-owls-are-more-intelligent-morning-larks

End of the discussion, now and forever :D:D

Best working time I ever had was 14.00-23.00.

FalconGirl

It is torture. Think of how much of your life is wasted between work, commuting and sleep. It is not what our short lives should be for sure. Pure depressing.

strelok

FalconGirl wrote: »

It is torture. Think of how much of your life is wasted between work, commuting and sleep. It is not what our short lives should be for sure. Pure depressing.

our short lives are supposed to be spent hiding under trees so we don't get wet, working all day long capturing or preparing food and dying in agony at the slightest hint of a bacterial infection

to quote the great philospher Mark Corrigan

"It's only through the miracle of consumer capitalism that you're not lying in your own ****, dying at 43 with rotten teeth, and a little tablet with a picture of a chicken on it isn't going to change that."

smurgen

I worked pretty much 8 am til 10 PM every day for the last two weeks.I'd do 9 to 5 standing on my head ffs.

CelticRambler

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I'm definately a night owl. I hate mornings. If I have to set an alarm to get up before the time I'd wake naturally (about 0930), I instantly feel irritable on waking. .... I am a nurse and work shift work and the best shift I ever worked was a 1500-2300 shift that we used to do in the hospital I worked in in NZ. I find it much easier to stay up all night on a night duty than get up before 0700. I also hate going to bed early. My preferred sleeping times would be about 0100 until 0930-1000.

Pretty much the same for me. My paid employment has me coming in for a 9am start but it's a waste of my employer's money because I can't think straight till after half-ten (by which time we're into the winding-down phase before closing for lunch at 12) My unpaid employment has me helping out at festivals throughout the summer. I absolutely love doing the 4pm to 4am shift, then getting a couple of hours dancing in (only serious dancers left on the floor at that time!) before going to bed.

When I'm doing those late shifts or the equivalent at home between contracts, I only need about 5-6 hours sleep per day; working 09h00-19h00, I need at least 8 hours.

Sam Kade

timthumbni wrote: »

I am descended from a long line of bears. I don't like being awakened before 11am. Otherwise I'm cranky. Getting up at 6am for work is like serious abuse to me. I'm still going well after the midnight oil though unlike my "early bird" partner. The wimp.

You signed yourself off nicely there

Sam Kade

Mint Aero wrote: »

As if 9 to 5 exists. I work 8 to 7 five days a week

I work 6am-7pm 7 days a week.

endacl

316 wrote: »

Half 11 is early enough.

5:30?!?

:eek:

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I always did my best work before 10. I started at 7.30 and solved more issues in the first hour and a half than I did for most of the rest of the day. I'm a morning person by nature.