How are teenagers now being taught in school about 9/11

This is something I thought about now - we are now 14 years since the terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center buildings in New York, so the majority of teenagers currently in school would have been too young to remember it happening, or weren't born yet.

I'm assuming that it is being taught in school, possibly history class (?), but I'd be curious to know exactly what is being said about it.

eviltwin

They aren't taught about it. It's not part of the curriculum.

paulbok

Am I tripping here at work but were there not a load of comments about posts being cut short on this a few moments ago?
e.g. all about the Se.. ???

whiskeyman

paulbok wrote: »

Am I tripping here at work but were there not a load of comments about posts being cut short on this a few moments ago?
e.g. all about the Se.. ???

They were clearly onto something and the lizard people deleted them all!

Timberrrrrrrr

Deleted User wrote: »

This is something I thought about now - we are now 14 years since the terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center buildings in New York, so the majority of teenagers currently in school would have been too young to remember it happening, or weren't born yet.

I'm assuming that it is being taught in school, possibly history class (?), but I'd be curious to know exactly what is being said about it.

Why would Irish schools teach kids about 9/11? Do you think the famine or the troubles get mentioned in US schools?

Mr. CooL ICE

Can't remember being taught much about the Iran/Iraq war, Cold War or breakup of the USSR. Then again, I was half asleep for most classes

lertsnim

It was Irish history and European history up to the end of the 1940's when I was in school. Never did we do anything about the history of the USA.

Duckworth_Luas

I wonder if they are being taught that 9/11 happened on 11/9?

Pink Lemons

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why would Irish schools teach kids about 9/11? Do you think the famine or the troubles get mentioned in US schools?

Irish kids get taught more world history than Irish, at least at leaving cert level anyway from my memory.

irish_goat

I finished school in 2007 and got taught up to the fall of the Soviet Union. Always wondered at what point an event becomes "history". I'm sure there will be modules available soon (if not already) on the War on Terror, which would cover 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq and now ISIS.

Akrasia

whiskeyman wrote: »

They were clearly onto something and the lizard people deleted them all!

The best comment I ever made was on that thread

F*ck you Lizard people!

Level 5 Vegan

Any metalwork teacher worth his salt will teach them jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

asherbassad

Level 5 Vegan wrote: »

Any metalwork teacher worth his salt will teach them jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

:pac:

Don't forget a = 9.8 ms^-2 as well, in physics class.

Harry Palmr

Reeling in the Years is modern history for Irish kids.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Level 5 Vegan wrote: »

Any metalwork teacher worth his salt will teach them jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

Surely what happened was that the plane weakened the structure where it hit resulting in a huge amount of pressure on the lower part of the structure and eventually it gave way.

Timberrrrrrrr

Level 5 Vegan wrote: »

Any metalwork teacher worth his salt will teach them jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

But intense heat will

Are they not being taught about it? That would be very odd, considering that it was such a huge event in modern history, with impacts being felt globally and Irish people dying in the attacks.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are they not being taught about it? That would be very odd, considering that it was such a huge event in modern history, with impacts being felt globally and Irish people dying in the attacks.

Ww1 and 2 are barely covered afaik

endacl

Level 5 Vegan wrote: »

Any metalwork teacher worth his salt will teach them jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

I suppose. If that metalwork teacher had also trained as a structural engineer, and who understood how burning jet fuel reacts with steel at high temperatures. And if he was a dribbling idiot who got all his news from too-long, badly edited CT vids on YouTube.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ww1 and 2 are barely covered afaik

Not sure about that. I remember being in school and our teacher pretty much drilling WW2 into us. Sure, maybe not WW1, from what I can remember.

irish_goat

We did very little on the actual events of WW2 but heaps on the build up.

Alf Veedersane

Are they teaching them about Italia '90?

They should.

kjl

Not to bring this up again, but what happened to building 7 it magically collapsed too? Plus you can see the thermite leaking from the buildings before they go down.

There has always been something odd about the whole incident. I suppose we'll never know until mythbusters does an 9/11 episode when they build an exact replica of one of the twin towers and flys a plane into it.

kjl

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Are they teaching them about Italia '90?

They should.

didn't we get just as far in 2002?

Son Of A Vidic

If they are not being taught about Russia's Beslan school massacre, where hundreds of children died. Then I'm not sure what relevance past events in New York would have for Irish school children.

Timberrrrrrrr

kjl wrote: »

Not to bring this up again, but what happened to building 7 it magically collapsed too? Plus you can see the thermite leaking from the buildings before they go down.

There has always been something odd about the whole incident. I suppose we'll never know until mythbusters does an 9/11 episode when they build an exact replica of one of the twin towers and flys a plane into it.

CT forum >>>>>>>

razorblunt

Not unless Sean Lemass, Emily Dickinson, glacial deposition and erosion had anything to do with it.

smash

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

CT forum >>>>>>>

Tonight on TV3 : Secret Explosions in the Towers - The Missing Evidence - 10:00pm

Timberrrrrrrr

smash wrote: »

Tonight on TV3 : Secret Explosions in the Towers - The Missing Evidence - 10:00pm

And it will be a rehash of tired old theories from the last 14 years, I'd any real "evidence" was forthcoming it wouldn't get its worldwide premier on bog 3

Alf Veedersane

kjl wrote: »

didn't we get just as far in 2002?

No. QF in '90, last 16 in '02.

And 2002 wasn't our first world cup.

Not turning this into a conspiracy theory, but it's fair to say that the world may never know exactly what happened that day. There's a lot of unanswered questions, but there's no denying that lots of people died and had far reaching global impacts that did change the world.

smash

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And it will be a rehash of tired old theories from the last 14 years, I'd any real "evidence" was forthcoming it wouldn't get its worldwide premier on bog 3

And this is why it probably wont ever be taught in history class. The same way the JFK shooting was never taught in school even though it was an historic event.

The_Valeyard

Far too soon to be taught in history class. If it even should be.

Cianmcliam

Not this again!

shuffles88

I had a conversation with a 16 year old who was sitting next to me on the flight into NYC about the new tower, she didn't know too much about 9/11. It seemed mad to me that she didn't have that moment in her life, her 9/11/Kennedy moment still is to come.

endacl

shuffles88 wrote: »

I had a conversation with a 16 year old who was sitting next to me on the flight into NYC about the new tower, she didn't know too much about 9/11. It seemed mad to me that she didn't have that moment in her life, her 9/11/Kennedy moment still is to come.

1D split.

She's had her moment.

Ken.

My daughter has 2 history books for leaving cert. The first 'modern Europe and the wider world' covers Europe up to 1992 and the rest of the world up to 1989. The second book is 'modern Ireland' and covers Ireland and Northern Ireland up till about mid 1993. It'll be a while before 2001 is covered.

Fukuyama

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

I wonder if they are being taught that 9/11 happened on 11/9?

Doubt it.

Until recently, I thought the October Revolution Russia actually took place in October. Turns out it was in November. They Ruskies just used some phoney calendar back then.

True story.

asherbassad

Fukuyama wrote: »

Doubt it.

Until recently, I thought the October Revolution Russia actually took place in October. Turns out it was in November. They Ruskies just used some phoney calendar back then.

True story.

CT Forum ---->

kneemos

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not turning this into a conspiracy theory, but it's fair to say that the world may never know exactly what happened that day. There's a lot of unanswered questions, but there's no denying that lots of people died and had far reaching global impacts that did change the world.

It is fair to say we know exactly what happened.
It was televised.

SEPT 23 1989

I finished school in 1995 and history bukes stopped in 1970 if i remember correctly

Fukuyama

asherbassad wrote: »

CT Forum ---->

commonly referred to as Red October, the October Uprising or the Bolshevik Revolution, was a seizure of state power instrumental in the larger Russian Revolution of 1917. It took place with an armed insurrection in Petrograd traditionally dated to 25 October 1917 (by the Julian or Old Style calendar, which corresponds to 7 November 1917 in the Gregorian or New Style calendar).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution

asherbassad

Level 5 Vegan wrote: »

Any metalwork teacher worth his salt will teach them jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

The experiments would be great. Take a paper book (like a passport) and put it inside a jacket. Put that jacket around a mannequin. Stick the mannequin inside an aluminium container. Attach kerosene drums to the aluminium container. Ram the whole apparatus into a steel and concrete building like the bike shed or sports changing pavilion, simultaneously detonating the kerosene into a massive fireball totally obliterating the jacket, mannequin and aluminium container. But the paper book (passport) can actually jump through the jacket, the flames and the aluminium to land intact outside the bike shed.


:pac:

Cianmcliam

asherbassad wrote: »

The experiments would be great. Take a paper book (like a passport) and put it inside a jacket. Put that jacket around a mannequin. Stick the mannequin inside an aluminium container. Attach kerosene drums to the aluminium container. Ram the whole apparatus into a steel and concrete building like the bike shed or sports changing pavilion, simultaneously detonating the kerosene into a massive fireball totally obliterating the jacket, mannequin and aluminium container. But the paper book (passport) can actually jump through the jacket, the flames and the aluminium to land intact outside the bike shed.


:pac:

It's not necessary to do an experiment, the photos of intact luggage and documents from the Malaysian Airlines 757 hit by a missile and crash landed in a fireball in the Ukraine demonstrate this very well.

Alf Veedersane

kneemos wrote: »

It is fair to say we know exactly what happened.
It was televised.

Yeah, but which direction were the shadows pointing in...?

DEFTLEFTHAND

We did Irish political history from about the Land League straight through to the 1980s. European history was from the rise of fascism, WW2 till the end of the Cold War and breakup of the USSR. The syllabus was broader than this but our school had already chosen the timelines we'd be studying for LC

We'd have different case studies in each topic to focus on throughout, like the formation of the GAA, Hungarian Uprising 1956 for eg. It was a very well structured course, made all the more enjoyable by the excellent teacher we had.

BMJD

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yeah, but which direction were the shadows pointing in...?

And who texted all the Jews and told them to stay away from the WTC that day!

freshpopcorn

I remember 9/11 from being in Primary School. I remember on the tenth anniversary of 9/11 I was at college and I said to someone who was older than me. It was hard to believe it was ten years since 9/11. He had absolutely no idea what it was.

custard gannet

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why would Irish schools teach kids about 9/11? Do you think the famine or the troubles get mentioned in US schools?

I can't even......

lertsnim wrote: »

It was Irish history and European history up to the end of the 1940's when I was in school. Never did we do anything about the history of the USA.

I'm struggling to remember it's been so long but I think the 70's might have been our cut off for Irish history, yet I could have sworn we covered the Soviet break up. Yet at the same time I can't recall the likes of Haughey being mentioned.

The main political history I remember the books covered focused quite a bit on the relationship between the church and state, and in a far from positive light, which considering how the church still runs most of the schools to an extent is quite surprising. In particular I remember how disgusted we were by how they killed off Noel Browne's medical card scheme, most likely for a backhander from the medical community.

I would have thought the Celtic Tiger, the Good Friday agreement and 9/11 and Iraq would be well covered by now.

Old Perry

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I remember 9/11 from being in Primary School. I remember on the tenth anniversary of 9/11 I was at college and I said to someone who was older than me. It was hard to believe it was ten years since 9/11. He had absolutely no idea what it was.

the moment i realise there are adults/young adults in the western world who havent heard about 9/11 is the moment i realise im old enough to starting giving out about the kids these days.

on another note when the topic eventually does come up in schools im sure 9/11 will ,in terms of history class, will just be a bullet point in a long string of events of relations between the west/usa and the middle east.

custard gannet

Level 5 Vegan wrote: »

Any metalwork teacher worth his salt will teach them jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

endacl wrote: »

I suppose. If that metalwork teacher had also trained as a structural engineer, and who understood how burning jet fuel reacts with steel at high temperatures. And if he was a dribbling idiot who got all his news from too-long, badly edited CT vids on YouTube.

It's going to be hilarious in a few years when they do try teaching it and a handful of kids interrupt with a load of my da says that George Bush knocked down the towers, he read it in a book so it must be true.


Or worse still, when the teacher glances over the textbook and then decides to tell the children their opinion of what really happened. Rabble rabble jet fuel rabble rabble 4000 Jews rabble rabble Pentagon missile :pac::pac:

smash wrote: »

And this is why it probably wont ever be taught in history class. The same way the JFK shooting was never taught in school even though it was an historic event.

I'm fairly sure we covered it in the cold war bit, I'm nearly certain we learned about the missile crisis and Vietnam, which were both around the same general time frame.

I can't recall, it was all a very long time ago, as Nazi war criminals say.