How are teenagers now being taught in school about 9/11

smash · 08-09-2015 12:55PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And it will be a rehash of tired old theories from the last 14 years, I'd any real "evidence" was forthcoming it wouldn't get its worldwide premier on bog 3

And this is why it probably wont ever be taught in history class. The same way the JFK shooting was never taught in school even though it was an historic event.

The_Valeyard · 08-09-2015 12:56PM

Far too soon to be taught in history class. If it even should be.

Cianmcliam · 08-09-2015 12:57PM

Not this again!

shuffles88 · 08-09-2015 01:10PM

I had a conversation with a 16 year old who was sitting next to me on the flight into NYC about the new tower, she didn't know too much about 9/11. It seemed mad to me that she didn't have that moment in her life, her 9/11/Kennedy moment still is to come.

endacl · 08-09-2015 01:11PM

shuffles88 wrote: »

I had a conversation with a 16 year old who was sitting next to me on the flight into NYC about the new tower, she didn't know too much about 9/11. It seemed mad to me that she didn't have that moment in her life, her 9/11/Kennedy moment still is to come.

1D split.

She's had her moment.

Ken. · 08-09-2015 01:22PM

My daughter has 2 history books for leaving cert. The first 'modern Europe and the wider world' covers Europe up to 1992 and the rest of the world up to 1989. The second book is 'modern Ireland' and covers Ireland and Northern Ireland up till about mid 1993. It'll be a while before 2001 is covered.

Fukuyama · 08-09-2015 01:28PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

I wonder if they are being taught that 9/11 happened on 11/9?

Doubt it.

Until recently, I thought the October Revolution Russia actually took place in October. Turns out it was in November. They Ruskies just used some phoney calendar back then.

True story.

asherbassad · 08-09-2015 01:46PM

Fukuyama wrote: »

Doubt it.

Until recently, I thought the October Revolution Russia actually took place in October. Turns out it was in November. They Ruskies just used some phoney calendar back then.

True story.

CT Forum ---->

kneemos · 08-09-2015 01:53PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not turning this into a conspiracy theory, but it's fair to say that the world may never know exactly what happened that day. There's a lot of unanswered questions, but there's no denying that lots of people died and had far reaching global impacts that did change the world.

It is fair to say we know exactly what happened.
It was televised.

SEPT 23 1989 · 08-09-2015 01:58PM

I finished school in 1995 and history bukes stopped in 1970 if i remember correctly

Fukuyama · 08-09-2015 02:24PM

asherbassad wrote: »

CT Forum ---->

commonly referred to as Red October, the October Uprising or the Bolshevik Revolution, was a seizure of state power instrumental in the larger Russian Revolution of 1917. It took place with an armed insurrection in Petrograd traditionally dated to 25 October 1917 (by the Julian or Old Style calendar, which corresponds to 7 November 1917 in the Gregorian or New Style calendar).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution

asherbassad · 08-09-2015 02:24PM

Level 5 Vegan wrote: »

Any metalwork teacher worth his salt will teach them jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

The experiments would be great. Take a paper book (like a passport) and put it inside a jacket. Put that jacket around a mannequin. Stick the mannequin inside an aluminium container. Attach kerosene drums to the aluminium container. Ram the whole apparatus into a steel and concrete building like the bike shed or sports changing pavilion, simultaneously detonating the kerosene into a massive fireball totally obliterating the jacket, mannequin and aluminium container. But the paper book (passport) can actually jump through the jacket, the flames and the aluminium to land intact outside the bike shed.

:pac:

Cianmcliam · 08-09-2015 02:28PM

asherbassad wrote: »

The experiments would be great. Take a paper book (like a passport) and put it inside a jacket. Put that jacket around a mannequin. Stick the mannequin inside an aluminium container. Attach kerosene drums to the aluminium container. Ram the whole apparatus into a steel and concrete building like the bike shed or sports changing pavilion, simultaneously detonating the kerosene into a massive fireball totally obliterating the jacket, mannequin and aluminium container. But the paper book (passport) can actually jump through the jacket, the flames and the aluminium to land intact outside the bike shed.

:pac:

It's not necessary to do an experiment, the photos of intact luggage and documents from the Malaysian Airlines 757 hit by a missile and crash landed in a fireball in the Ukraine demonstrate this very well.

Alf Veedersane · 08-09-2015 02:39PM

kneemos wrote: »

It is fair to say we know exactly what happened.
It was televised.

Yeah, but which direction were the shadows pointing in...?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-09-2015 02:39PM

We did Irish political history from about the Land League straight through to the 1980s. European history was from the rise of fascism, WW2 till the end of the Cold War and breakup of the USSR. The syllabus was broader than this but our school had already chosen the timelines we'd be studying for LC

We'd have different case studies in each topic to focus on throughout, like the formation of the GAA, Hungarian Uprising 1956 for eg. It was a very well structured course, made all the more enjoyable by the excellent teacher we had.

BMJD · 08-09-2015 02:41PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yeah, but which direction were the shadows pointing in...?

And who texted all the Jews and told them to stay away from the WTC that day!

freshpopcorn · 08-09-2015 03:03PM

I remember 9/11 from being in Primary School. I remember on the tenth anniversary of 9/11 I was at college and I said to someone who was older than me. It was hard to believe it was ten years since 9/11. He had absolutely no idea what it was.

custard gannet · 08-09-2015 03:16PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why would Irish schools teach kids about 9/11? Do you think the famine or the troubles get mentioned in US schools?

I can't even......

lertsnim wrote: »

It was Irish history and European history up to the end of the 1940's when I was in school. Never did we do anything about the history of the USA.

I'm struggling to remember it's been so long but I think the 70's might have been our cut off for Irish history, yet I could have sworn we covered the Soviet break up. Yet at the same time I can't recall the likes of Haughey being mentioned.

The main political history I remember the books covered focused quite a bit on the relationship between the church and state, and in a far from positive light, which considering how the church still runs most of the schools to an extent is quite surprising. In particular I remember how disgusted we were by how they killed off Noel Browne's medical card scheme, most likely for a backhander from the medical community.

I would have thought the Celtic Tiger, the Good Friday agreement and 9/11 and Iraq would be well covered by now.

Old Perry · 08-09-2015 03:17PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I remember 9/11 from being in Primary School. I remember on the tenth anniversary of 9/11 I was at college and I said to someone who was older than me. It was hard to believe it was ten years since 9/11. He had absolutely no idea what it was.

the moment i realise there are adults/young adults in the western world who havent heard about 9/11 is the moment i realise im old enough to starting giving out about the kids these days.

on another note when the topic eventually does come up in schools im sure 9/11 will ,in terms of history class, will just be a bullet point in a long string of events of relations between the west/usa and the middle east.

custard gannet · 08-09-2015 03:25PM

Level 5 Vegan wrote: »

Any metalwork teacher worth his salt will teach them jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

endacl wrote: »

I suppose. If that metalwork teacher had also trained as a structural engineer, and who understood how burning jet fuel reacts with steel at high temperatures. And if he was a dribbling idiot who got all his news from too-long, badly edited CT vids on YouTube.

It's going to be hilarious in a few years when they do try teaching it and a handful of kids interrupt with a load of my da says that George Bush knocked down the towers, he read it in a book so it must be true.

Or worse still, when the teacher glances over the textbook and then decides to tell the children their opinion of what really happened. Rabble rabble jet fuel rabble rabble 4000 Jews rabble rabble Pentagon missile :pac::pac:

smash wrote: »

And this is why it probably wont ever be taught in history class. The same way the JFK shooting was never taught in school even though it was an historic event.

I'm fairly sure we covered it in the cold war bit, I'm nearly certain we learned about the missile crisis and Vietnam, which were both around the same general time frame.

I can't recall, it was all a very long time ago, as Nazi war criminals say.

asherbassad · 08-09-2015 03:29PM

Cianmcliam wrote: »

It's not necessary to do an experiment, the photos of intact luggage and documents from the Malaysian Airlines 757 hit by a missile and crash landed in a fireball in the Ukraine demonstrate this very well.

Yeah?

I'm not talking about a Malaysian Airline disintegrating in mid-air, I'm talking about a plane smashing into a building and disappearing in a ball of flames and everything on board incinerating including the crew, passengers and hijackers, but the passport of one of the hijackers makes it outside of his jeans or jacket (which were also supposedly immolated), outside the fuselage, sits intact on a desk or ledge somewhere on the 80th floor or something while all around this magical paper passport the temperature is hot enough to melt steel. Then the building explodes and the passport flutters down without a singe to rest on the rubble.

:pac: :pac:

Tarzana2 · 08-09-2015 03:33PM

custard gannet wrote: »

I'm struggling to remember it's been so long but I think the 70's might have been our cut off for Irish history, yet I could have sworn we covered the Soviet break up.

Yep, that's the only reason I know what perestroika is.

asherbassad · 08-09-2015 03:47PM

For InterCert (Junior) it seems the syllabus was far broader than for Leaving Cert.

We had 3 books. One, Rennaissance to Reformation covered all that Middle Ages stuff as the title would suggest, Cromwell, Henry VIII, crusades, Inquisition, Martin Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, influences of art etc. Another was Steam and Steel. This basically covered the first half of the 19th century....Napoleonic Wars, Metternich, Industrial Revolution, Famine, etc.
Last book was "Our Changing Times" which was basically 1870 to 1970 Irish and European history with a bit about the conquest of Africa, Congo, etc. There was fcuk all about America except Pearl Harbour and a bit about Vietnam in the later chapters about the 1950's, 60's but we didn't bother with that because there was never an exam question on it.

Level 5 Vegan · 08-09-2015 03:55PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But intense heat will

Here I was only trying to jazz it up.

SamHarris · 08-09-2015 03:57PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why would Irish schools teach kids about 9/11? Do you think the famine or the troubles get mentioned in US schools?

Yeah, our kids being ignorant about vastly more important global events will teach them Amerikkkans a lesson they won't soon forget!

You're aware that no country on earth other than Ireland teaches their secondary school students a great deal of Irish history? Can you guess why it might be more important to us than to, say, Americans?

By your criteria there would literally not be a history curriculum.

Really though, it's too recent to be in the curriculum for secondary school, maybe in a year or two and if "modern history" is something that is actually taught then, yeah, given that it is probably the most important single event politically in the last 2 decades it probably will be touched on. Not sure how much detail you could go into beyond who did it and the direct consequences.

And yes, in some schools they do learn about the famine - their curriculum varies. But it mostly deals with how the famine affected world history. In the same way our curriculum deals with many major events.

SamHarris · 08-09-2015 03:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not turning this into a conspiracy theory, but it's fair to say that the world may never know exactly what happened that day. There's a lot of unanswered questions, but there's no denying that lots of people died and had far reaching global impacts that did change the world.

Nope. Pretty much every question people had has been answered with mountains of evidence.

What you mean to say is that a lot of things certain people wish were true about the event have not been shown to have any real evidence backing it up and so they would instead like there to be the illusion of unanswered questions.

SamHarris · 08-09-2015 04:05PM

Oh God, I wonder if "truthers" will be pushing to "teach the controversy" a la creationists?

ziedth · 08-09-2015 04:56PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ww1 and 2 are barely covered afaik

Defintely back in'02 id say a good 20% of the subject covered both world wars. At a guess i think it stopped in the 50/60's.

Begs tue question though at what point do they move the point of "history" and start covering things like gulf war and maybe leave out the Franco Prussian war...

kneemos · 08-09-2015 05:14PM

asherbassad wrote: »

Yeah?

I'm not talking about a Malaysian Airline disintegrating in mid-air, I'm talking about a plane smashing into a building and disappearing in a ball of flames and everything on board incinerating including the crew, passengers and hijackers, but the passport of one of the hijackers makes it outside of his jeans or jacket (which were also supposedly immolated), outside the fuselage, sits intact on a desk or ledge somewhere on the 80th floor or something while all around this magical paper passport the temperature is hot enough to melt steel. Then the building explodes and the passport flutters down without a singe to rest on the rubble.

:pac: :pac:

Your suggestion that somebody somehow got hold of this persons passport and dropped it on the street is bizzare.
Why would someone do that?

paulbok · 08-09-2015 05:24PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yeah, but which direction were the shadows pointing in...?

And wasn't there a 2nd 3rd gunman plane?

How are teenagers now being taught in school about 9/11

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