Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II **off topic discussion**

Beasty

Reckon there's a few quid to be made from bunkers....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

Chuchote

Bike Batman gets stolen bicycles back for their owners http://nypost.com/2016/03/17/how-bike-batman-fights-crime-on-the-streets-of-seattle/

Harrybelafonte

Watch leaves on roads people. Cyclist down in Celbridge after slipping on them. Ambulance called.

koutoubia

You know for all of the pointing of fingers of Trump/America and Brexit we should really have a look at ourselves. The 2 parties that screwed this country in their own separate turns are now the two parties in power. At least the UK and US voters had the gumption to make a change. Whether that change is for the better remains to be seen but at least they rattled the cage.

Chuchote

koutoubia wrote: »

You know for all of the pointing of fingers of Trump/America and Brexit we should really have a look at ourselves. The 2 parties that screwed this country in their own separate turns are now the two parties in power. At least the UK and US voters had the gumption to make a change. Whether that change is for the better remains to be seen but at least they rattled the cage.

Or think they did.

Jonathan Freedland nails it:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-us-president-nightmare?CMP=share_btn_tw

The US has elected its most dangerous leader. We all have plenty to fear
Jonathan Freedland
Last modified on Wednesday 9 November 2016 09.37 GMT

We thought the United States would step back from the abyss. We believed, and the polls led us to feel sure, that Americans would not, in the end, hand the most powerful office on earth to an unstable bigot, sexual predator and compulsive liar…

Today the United States stands not as a source of inspiration to the rest of the world but as a source of fear. Instead of hailing its first female president, it seems poised to hand the awesome power of its highest office to a man who revels in his own ignorance, racism and misogyny. One who knows him well describes him as a dangerous “sociopath”…

Just think of what he has promised. A deportation force to round up and expel the 11 million undocumented migrants who make up 6% of the US workforce. A ban on all Muslims entering the country, later downgraded to a pledge to impose “extreme vetting” on anyone coming from a suspect land. A giant wall to seal off the Mexican border. “Some form of punishment” for women who seek an abortion. And prison for the woman he just defeated.

It's not for nothing that the Canadian immigration website crashed during the night.

Chips Lovell

koutoubia wrote: »

You know for all of the pointing of fingers of Trump/America and Brexit we should really have a look at ourselves. The 2 parties that screwed this country in their own separate turns are now the two parties in power. At least the UK and US voters had the gumption to make a change. Whether that change is for the better remains to be seen but at least they rattled the cage.

It's more like us deciding that, because FF and FG screwed us, we should vote in Gerry Adams instead.

Chuchote

Labour drank the Kool-Aid. They've destroyed themselves forever.

magicbastarder

Weepsie wrote: »

They didn't vote for change though.

plus, donald trump was elected because of the electoral college system. clinton won the popular vote.

magicbastarder

Chuchote wrote: »

Labour drank the Kool-Aid. They've destroyed themselves forever.

it is the job of the junior partner in a coalition to take the flak for the excesses of the senior partner. cf. the green party, lib dems in the UK.

the problem for a junior partner is that it's much easier to point to policies they didn't succeed in preventing, than to policies they did succeed in preventing.

Chuchote

Nothing to do with preventing.

tomasrojo

magicbastarder wrote: »

plus, donald trump was elected because of the electoral college system. clinton won the popular vote.

Looking at Wikipedia, Trump seems to have about 82,000 more votes. That's probably not a final number, but I guess he won the popular vote too. Barely.

ThisRegard

tomasrojo wrote: »

Looking at Wikipedia, Trump seems to have about 82,000 more votes. That's probably not a final number, but I guess he won the popular vote too. Barely.

New York Times have her ahead on popular vote by about 120,000 votes, but I imagine that's every changing.

Chuchote

I was staring at maps of America smeared with red but with a few apparently vital areas blue, and headlines saying Clinton was sure to win, and I couldn't understand how this was so.

magicbastarder

probably because the more rural states which are more republican are much more sparsely populated.
montana and california are not too dissimilar in terms of physical size, but the populations differ by a factor of nearly 40.

tomasrojo

The assumption that Clinton would win was based on polls, where she had a constant albeit narrow advantage in enough states to win. Essentially, they assumed states that had voted for the Democratic presidential candidate for many years would continue to do so. This meant Clinton only had to pick up a few swing states, while Trump had to sweep the board of swing states and pick off a few bulwark blue states. Trump did exactly that.

tomasrojo

Nate Silver was the only poll aggregator who gave Trump much of a chance, and he got heavily criticised for it, even though he very much left Trump the underdog, at about a 30% probability of victory. People were assuming he was overcompensating for not giving Trump enough credence in the primaries. Not overcompensating enough, if so, as it turns out.

tomasrojo

And, yes, it does look as if Clinton won the popular vote:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-likely-win-pop-vote

magicbastarder

tomasrojo wrote: »

The assumption that Clinton would win was based on polls, where she had a constant albeit narrow advantage in enough states to win. Essentially, they assumed states that had voted for the Democratic presidential candidate for many years would continue to do so. This meant Clinton only had to pick up a few swing states, while Trump had to sweep the board of swing states and pick off a few bulwark blue states. Trump did exactly that.

i'd be interested to know how much of an issue silent voters are; i know a couple of americans whose parents probably voted trump, but were too embarrassed to admit it to even their own kids. people like that aren't necessarily going to tell a pollster. since we haven't seen the likes of trump before, we probably have not seen that effect to that extent before, so the models would not have taken it into account enough.

tomasrojo

Maybe, yeah. I think the Likely Voter filters were probably quite off too. And maybe they just didn't reach a correct balance of people. It's an utterly bizarre outcome, whatever.

Not only are we going to miss Obama, we're going to look back on even the GWB era with fondness.

Fian

Once again I went to bed confident that the voting would go the way I hoped.

Just like with the Brexit vote I woke up to a shock.

Next time I am pulling an all nighter :P

Chuchote

tomasrojo wrote: »

Maybe, yeah. I think the Likely Voter filters were probably quite off too. And maybe they just didn't reach a correct balance of people. It's an utterly bizarre outcome, whatever.

Not only are we going to miss Obama, we're going to look back on even the GWB era with fondness.

Trump's going to have access to the nuclear button. We may not be here to look back on anything.

tomasrojo

Not going to be great for some Republicans either:

A number of prominent Republicans, including Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), publicly announced that they did not cast ballots for Trump, after denouncing him for months.

“If [Graham] felt his interests was with that candidate, God bless him,” Omarosa told IJR. "I would never judge anybody for exercising their right to and the freedom to choose who they want. But let me just tell you, Mr. Trump has a long memory and we’re keeping a list.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/omarosa-anti-trump-republicans-list

OleRodrigo

I reckon hes gonna make a decent president. Its exactly the sort of twist you would expect in ' American Presidency ' , Season 2.

Season 1 was messy and dirty, with a shocking finale.

This is Netflix, right ? :pac:

tomasrojo

OleRodrigo wrote: »

This is Netflix, right ? :pac:

I think it would an interesting plot development if this scourge of immigrants should end up falling in love with and marrying a woman from Slovenia, working illegally in the United States.

DirkVoodoo

Riding up Benildus Ave in Sandyford this evening around 6pm...amazing to see the total disregard for the cycle lane. Solid white line and yet it was backed up with traffic looking to filter left.

One car swung in, not quite on top of me, but still closer than I'd like.

Ride in the cycle lane you tax avoiding wasters...unless I want to drive in it, in which case wait behind me!

tomasrojo

Yeah, they do that every day at home time. You have to ride along the white line to stop them pushing past you. They race you to get to the "left lane" too, so you have to watch over your right shoulder until you have a line of stationary traffic protecting your right.

Chuchote

It's the same on Harold's Cross Bridge. Ask one of the fume-spewing motorists waiting in the queue and they'll point out that the cycle lane is 'discretionary' not 'mandatory' (for drivers, that is), because it has a dotty line not a solid one.

Beasty

Anyone else have that slightly "difficult" moment when opening the shower door at work only to realise they had left their towel in the office?:o

Fortunately I managed to discover a spare base layer in my bag to help "wick away" the water.

manafana

missing our green house gases target by miles, yet we are taking money out of cycling infrastructure and raising the prices of public transport

Lumen

manafana wrote: »

missing our green house gases target by miles, yet we are taking money out of cycling infrastructure and raising the prices of public transport

Brexit will fix that. Not only will we have no market for our meat, we won't be able to afford it ourselves so we'll all have to go vegan. :pac: