Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

ukoda

According to the Autoaddress Twitter account they are about to launch eircode with 24 organisations:

7 Government,
5 Insurance,
2 Courier,
2 Telco,
2 Retail
6 other

It'll be really Interesting to see which 2 couriers are onboard, I'm assuming Nightline is one of them, the other could possibly be An Post, that would mean that 2 large couriers in Ireland use it. An Post being the largest by a long way

threeiron

ukoda wrote: »

According to the Autoaddress Twitter account they are about to launch eircode with 24 organisations:

Is Eircode being relaunched? A different format?

ukoda

threeiron wrote: »

Is Eircode being relaunched? A different format?

No? It's just taking some time to get things off the ground.

ukoda

ukoda wrote: »

No? It's just taking some time to get things off the ground.

My wife was expecting a delivery and rang the courier company, gave our postcode and was told that "we don't use those ****ing yokes!".

Still a lot of resistance out there.

ukoda

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My wife was expecting a delivery and rang the courier company, gave our postcode and was told that "we don't use those ****ing yokes!".

Still a lot of resistance out there.

It will take years. But if 2 couriers can use it, then it really shows up the others resistance as unfounded

ukoda

ukoda wrote: »

It will take years. But if 2 couriers can use it, then it really shows up the others resistance as unfounded

Yes I agree, just annoying that some will dismiss the system without even trying it.

oscarBravo

Deleted User wrote: »

My wife was expecting a delivery and rang the courier company, gave our postcode and was told that "we don't use those ****ing yokes!".

If a courier company told me that, I'd retort that if they did use those ****ing yokes, they would be able to find my house without having to ring me every. frigging. time.

On the flipside, we got an inquiry today, asking whether we could provide service at a specified Eircode. Slow - very slow - but steady.

ukoda

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Yes I agree, just annoying that some will dismiss the system without even trying it.

http://www.truckstopsrouting.com/products/truckstops-ireland/

Direct them here

So one of the worlds biggest routing software companies (mapmechanics) have a routing solution fully integrated with eircode.

What will eventually happen is that all routing software companies will start to adopt it and eventually by default, when a courier upgrades their system, they get an eircode enabled solution anyway

BowWow

I registered on the Saorview site yesterday and there is provision for Eircode in the address.

plodder

ukoda wrote: »

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/687329883056422912

Will that app be free?

ukoda

plodder wrote: »

Will that app be free?

For the consumer? I would imagine so.

For the company? I doubt it, and apparently the delivery vans, fuel, drivers, insurance and all their other costs won't be free either. <snip>

Mod: Could you watch your language please.

plodder

ukoda wrote: »

For the consumer? I would imagine so.

For the company? I doubt it, and apparently the delivery vans, fuel, drivers, insurance and all their other costs won't be free either. I<snip>.

So it's another cost then that businesses have to bear which they don't have in the UK or other countries that don't have a random hidden postcode. Shame.

Mod: Off topic

ukoda

plodder wrote: »

So it's another cost then that businesses have to bear which they don't have in the UK or other countries that don't have a random hidden postcode. Shame.

Only for a business who are too narrow minded or stupid to realise that if they invest in this technology then they can be more efficient and actually save money, so it's actually a cost reduction in the long term for Irish businesses because they have a precise location for every order.
Your argument against against eircode is the same as arguing against the internal combustion engine because a push bike is free to pedal and no one should be forced to buy fuel because it's another cost to their business.

Anyway, this is off topic, so I won't let you draw me into another same old stupid argument over and over again. Read the title of the thread and keep to it.

Mod: This is off topic as above. Arguing with off topic posts is also off topic.

Sam Russell

@Plodder and @ukoda

Can you stop hitting off each other and keeping on topic. Otherwise .....

plodder

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marmurr1916

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plodder

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ukoda

I would hope that this thread could be kept to *new* developments that happen with eircode, updating on places we see it and who is using it. I think the for and against arguing has been done to death with nothing new to add to either sides argument.

Sam Russell

Mod: Do not feed the trolls.

Otherwise this thread will close as well.

plodder

ukoda wrote: »

I would hope that this thread could be kept to *new* developments that happen with eircode, updating on places we see it and who is using it. I think the for and against arguing has been done to death with nothing new to add to either sides argument.

Can we not discuss Eircode implementation? Two points I made yesterday relating to Eircode implementation were deleted. One in relation to the Autoaddress app that you announced/advertised. The second one was in relation to Eircode's (non) implementation by An Post. If we cant discuss these things, I'd rather hear that from a mod, so I can start a different thread.

Sam Russell

plodder wrote: »

Can we not discuss Eircode implementation? Two points I made yesterday relating to Eircode implementation were deleted. One in relation to the Autoaddress app that you announced/advertised. The second one was in relation to Eircode's (non) implementation by An Post. If we cant discuss these things, I'd rather hear that from a mod, so I can start a different thread.

Yes you can discuss the Autoaddress ap and the non-implementation by An Post.

What you cannot do is turn those discussions into a general attack on the cost of implementing such aps and thus a general attack on Eircode and its design. I deleted those posts - not just yours - because they were going into the usual pro and anti Eircode rubbish that has been covered over and over and over again rather than furthering the topic.

You are welcome to start a new thread if you so wish.

xband

I agree, we are where we are and the system is now introduced.

It has its downsides and it's upsides, as would any other system. It's far from perfect but I can't think of any system that would satisfy everyone's exact needs.

Also if was debated to death on boards for years and looking through debates on here they went around in circles and people actually gave up and left the threads.

It's a system, it's in place and it has potential to be used and adapted.

I'm prepared to give it a go anyway and make some use of the damn thing at this stage.

For most of us at least it saves that "oh, I'm in Ireland we emm don't actually have postal codes" (confirming every false Irish stereotype).

So, I think it will actually get adopted bit by bit.

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I saw one very odd implementation of it on a form at Arnotts department store for a club card "wonder card"

The form literally has two fields :

Routing code:
Unique identifier :

Very confusing way of doing things on a form!

xband

xband wrote: »

I saw one very odd implementation of it on a form at Arnotts department store for a club card "wonder card"

The form literally has two fields :

Routing code:
Unique identifier :

Very confusing way of doing things on a form!

Many are simply not going to know that the postcode is comprised of these two elements, I expect they'll get a lot of incorrectly filled in forms until they go for a single postcode box.

Just goes to prove that it's possible to screw up anything if you try hard enough.

gizmo555

Seán O'Rourke will be covering Eircode and its implementation on his radio programme this morning (Jan 25).

brandodub

gizmo555 wrote: »

Seán O'Rourke will be covering Eircode and its implementation on his radio programme this morning (Jan 25).

Quiteb a bit of eircode bashing but apparently Google and the satnavs are about to implement it on their various platforms.

ukoda

brandodub wrote: »

Quiteb a bit of eircode bashing but apparently Google and the satnavs are about to implement it on their various platforms.

They've been saying that for a while now, I dont doubt it will happen, but they need to give us some definate timelines!

ukoda

2 important announcements from the show;


Fastway Couriers integrating eircode

Negotiations complete with google maps and sat navs, confirmed they are implementing eircode

moyners

ukoda wrote: »

2 important announcements from the show;


Fastway Couriers integrating eircode

Negotiations complete with google maps and sat navs, confirmed they are implementing eircode

Was this confirmed by Google/satnavs or by Eircode?

gizmo555

We heard pluses and minuses. Some users of van courier services are finding Eircode very helpful, especially people in remote locations.

On the other hand, we heard the owner of Hairy Baby t-shirts say the use of Eircodes among his clientele is negligible and even if everyone used theirs, it would make no practical difference to him, as "99.9%" of the orders he sends arrive next day anyway.

From An Post, we heard that a "single figure" percentage of mail includes an Eircode in the address - so we know it's more than zero, but less than 10%.

Separately, I inquired via the customer services page on the An Post website a couple of weeks ago whether it is currently using Eircodes to sort and deliver mail. The answer was no:

At the delivery stage the textual address is what is used by the Postal Operative to attempt delivery. With approximately three million mail items processed and delivered by An Post daily it would not be practical or economically viable to look up the Eircode to obtain the textual address. With regard to non-unique addresses (circa 40%) the Postperson relies on the actual surname and on occasion the first name as well to identify the delivery point that the mail item is for.

An Post will use Eircodes in manual sorting and automated sequence sorting of Postpersons routes when the volume of mail containing correct Eircodes reaches a critical mass that makes this a viable approach to sorting mail. (My emphasis.)

I followed up with a query as to what the "critical mass" in percentage terms would be, that would make it "viable" for An Post to use Eircodes. I haven't got an answer yet.

Minister White made much of the fact that Ireland was the last OECD country to introduce post codes. We must now surely be the only OECD country whose national mail service ignores post codes. To that extent, Eircode is not a post code in any meaningful sense.

plodder

It'll be interesting to see the details of any deal for satnavs and in particular does it involve the state spending more money on the project?