Doom

Dair76

As we know, there's a new Doom on the way. And despite the apparent lack of excitement for it, here's a thread all about it. :pac:

The E3 debut footage;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7g6BfvU6A8

And some id guys talking about how the game will be run and gun with a heavy reliance on player skill (although it still feels weird that Carmack isn't up there talking about it);

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOhFbA7eavg

SeantheMan

Footage from the MP closed Alpha last week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfe7V-_3r0

The_Valeyard

I'll be honest, I'm not that pushed about it.

Probably will still pick it up, but just not doing it for me at the moment.


Loved Doom 3.

Duggy747

That MP video looks nice but also looks far more Quake than Doom

Burgo

Duggy747 wrote: »

That MP video looks nice but also looks far more Quake than Doom

Not really getting the quake feeling off it, it seems far far slower than quake.

TerrorFirmer

Looks decent enough, reminds me of QIII or Unreal Tournament.

Falthyron

I played the closed beta for a short while and I have to say one word comes to mind: bland.

It feels like Unreal Tournament in terms of movement, particularly the new UT still in development, but bloody hell (no pun intended) it is really, really generic and bland. And, don't get me started on the announcer, he actually sounds bored or depressed. The UI for the lobby is pretty much the same as a COD lobby layout, almost an exact copy. The game is locked to 60fps (thanks, Bethesda), and the advanced graphical options are locked out of the beta, so you can't make the game look better - in fact, it looks pretty poor with that typical console peasant blur effect in the distance for textures.

It is clear the game is designed with consoles in mind. Overall, I feel the multiplayer in DOOM is a poor show. I hope they stick to tradition and produce a decent single-player game, because if they are marketing this as a multiplayer game it is going to flop, I think.

If anybody wants me to do some Twitch streaming I can boot it up and you can see for yourself.

Zillah

Falthyron wrote: »

The game is locked to 60fps (thanks, Bethesda)

This stuff blows my mind. I upgraded to a 144hz monitor a few months ago and I really don't think I can go back to low fps first-person games.

Falthyron

Zillah wrote: »

This stuff blows my mind. I upgraded to a 144hz monitor a few months ago and I really don't think I can go back to low fps first-person games.

Bethesda have been pulling this $hit for quite a while now. Skyrim, Wolfenstein, Evil Within, Fallout 4, and now DOOM have all been locked to 60fps and it requires an edit of the .ini file to unlock the frame rate. Very frustrating especially when they say things like: "locking the game at a certain frame rate helps with the atmosphere and feeling of the game" or the honest truth: it breaks things.

Robert ninja

The compass marker showing up made me immediately disregard this game. That alone (although there are many other things) destroys what is DOOM. The 60fps lock really did seal the deal, though. Another one bites the dust.

Burgo

Falthyron wrote: »

Bethesda have been pulling this $hit for quite a while now. Skyrim, Wolfenstein, Evil Within, Fallout 4, and now DOOM have all been locked to 60fps and it requires an edit of the .ini file to unlock the frame rate. Very frustrating especially when they say things like: "locking the game at a certain frame rate helps with the atmosphere and feeling of the game" or the honest truth: it breaks things.

Saw a post on reddit that someone had accessed the advanced options and it allows for up to 144 fps, so there may be hope yet! Though no sign of any way to turn off mouse acceleration.

Zillah

Burgo wrote: »

mouse acceleration.

Now there's a deal breaker.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "Gosh, this would be better with mouse acceleration".

Shiminay

Whilst I wouldn't take it as gospel that it'll be running locked at 60 by the time it releases (let's remember the thing's still in development and they might have just been unable to sort some bugs in time for the closed testing and so locked it), this really isn't "our" Doom (by this I mean old people like me who remember the original) because our Doom would probably be a commercial failure by today's standards

Links234

Shiminay wrote: »

because our Doom would probably be a commercial failure by today's standards

I don't know, I reckon Doom would make a pretty successful indie game today. I'm looking forward to Strafe

gizmo

Links234 wrote: »

I don't know, I reckon Doom would make a pretty successful indie game today. I'm looking forward to Strafe

As much as I'm looking forward to Strafe it's worth bearing in mind that it only just made it's funding goal of $185,096. A paltry amount compared to what it would cost to make Doom even if it hadn't had a tortured development cycle.

5uspect

OSI wrote: »

Hard Reset was supposed to be the modern Doom. Bored me to tears in just over an hour.

Same, dull as mud.
Can't say new Doom is grabbing my attention at all.

_CreeD_

It's very obviously designed around console controllers, which utterly ruins any FPS imho (Yes I have a console, like it for many things, but those controllers were not built to do this properly....fine, just don't redesign the games around the handicap therefore destroying it for M+KBD play). Way too slow and reliant on gimicks rather than the fast paced gameplay they ludicrously keep stating we are in fact watching instead of the slow lateral-ramp controller limited play that's actually on screen.

I honestly don't think these type of games were ever very good for multiplayer. Doom was always about single player for me. Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament were a bit meh. Frantic, yet ultimately an unrefined mess.

d31b0y

Speaking of Straffe, this was their April 1st web browser version release xD
https://pixeltitans.itch.io/strafef2p

Burgo

News just gets better:

Along with free content, Doom will haves three premium multiplayer DLC packs following its launch. These will include "a number of new maps, hack modules, playable demons, weapons, and more."
Each DLC pack will cost $14.99/£11.99/€14.99. A season pass will also be available for $39.99/£29.99/€39.99. The first premium DLC pack are as follows:
Three new maps
One new weapon
One new playable demon
One new armour set
One new piece of equipment
New hack modules and taunts
New customization colours and patterns

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/doom-open-beta-start-date-confirmed-first-premium-/1100-6438299/
theres a video that auto plays on the link btw

....and I'm out

Nody

This is as much Doom as the Syndicate game released was a Syndicate game; the only thing they have in common is the name with the game they are trying to claim to be.

degrassinoel

stock game: €60
seasonpass with sh1t that should be in the game anyway or at least free Mp maps: €40
Potential to have microtransactions: check
Potential for further milking of consumers: check

bollocks to that, steamsale and i'll play it next year for a fiver.

Links234

Well **** that!

Nody wrote: »

This is as much Doom as the Syndicate game released was a Syndicate game; the only thing they have in common is the name with the game they are trying to claim to be.

Go try Satellite Reign, a spiritual successor to Syndicate that was made by some ex Bullfrog people.

Nody

Links234 wrote: »

Well **** that!



Go try Satellite Reign, a spiritual successor to Syndicate that was made by some ex Bullfrog people.

I supported the kickstarter and have already beaten the game and given it high recommendations in the thread :P

murphyebass

I must say I'm sad to hear that this isn't shaping up as well as hoped.

I was really hoping with Bethesda at the helm we wouldn't see a bland COD clone.

On the plus side I'm probably sorted FPS wise for the moment as I started Borderlands 2 the handsome collection last night with a friend and it looks meaty.

Have to work out how the rewards, loot and guns, etc... work but first impressions are it plays/feels balanced, fun characters and looks really pretty. Love the art style.

ShadowHearth

For me this new Doom was one of those games that I would pick up later down the line when its around 25 quid as I was interested in Arena shooter. After watching "worth a buy" fella on youtube I am completely turned of it.

Just by looking at footage in video you can see how Doom is just made for modern console gamer and completely ruined Arena shooter. He got Footage of Quake 3 and New Doom.

The range is horrible. Its clearly built up that enemies would be close to you, so models are big to hit.
FOW makes it so painful even to watch.
2 weapon limit and loud outs.... **** off now. It was supposed to be arena shooter. So Weapons are Balanced on loud outs level, not on how hard to get or master a weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k_LPEm0gtc

degrassinoel

the open beta is on steam this morning if anyone's interested

Josey Wales

I played the PS4 version last night and it didn't click with me at all. I haven't played a DOOM game since about 1995 and I'd forgotten that there was no aiming down sights. Felt so weird.

TheKells

Every match I've played in, the teams have been so unbalanced as to make the game nearly unenjoyable.

degrassinoel

TheKells wrote: »

Every match I've played in, the teams have been so unbalanced as to make the game nearly unenjoyable.

Played one game, teams were completely unbalanced, that or it's got cheats in it already. Also, a levelling and class system with item unlocks seemed out of place in this type of game.

Been a while since i've played any of the CoD's, but i distinctly remember having more fun with them in the first 20 minutes.

Headshot

degrassinoel wrote: »

the open beta is on steam this morning if anyone's interested

I downloaded it there and im gobsmacked by the pings and lag. I take its not dedicated servers?

moc moc a moc

I'm getting lag on the menu screen, never mind in-game.

Headshot

They also dont like Nvidia cards which im shocked at

degrassinoel

Headshot wrote: »

They also dont like Nvidia cards which im shocked at

yeah took me ages to get past that screen, like 5 minutes in total being unable to alt tab or alt f4, nothing.. lol

shootermacg

Terrible game. How hard can it bloody well be?
Make quake 3 with some new textures and take my money!

Kiith

I've no interest in the multiplayer, so i'll wait and see what the single player is like.

TerrorFirmer

When the first few MP trailers came out, I mentioned that it looked a bit - or alot - like Halo. Cue quite a bit of outrage on the gaming forum, very much a 'how dare I confuse such an FPS legend with Halo'. Then I read the reviews on steam, and here's what I read from the first few pages.

degrassinoel

it's getting hammered by user reviews on steam

Dcully

Put 3 hours into it Friday night and yes its pretty poor.

Dair76

I wonder what Carmack thinks of it. As it stands now, looks like one to pick up in a Steam sale in a couple of years.

TerrorFirmer

Well, I just played half an hour of it and I'm speechless.

It looks, feels and sounds like itit came out around 2007/2008 - it's honestly, no exaggeration, like an indie MP title you'd pay 9.99 for on Steam.

How did they get it so wrong? I'm not even talking from a 'Doom' point of view - at this stage I'm purely talking from a games point of view.

:eek:

Rob2D

It's fun enough, but nowhere near where it should be.

Sad to see this happen to Doom.

ShadowHearth

ShadowHearth wrote: »

For me this new Doom was one of those games that I would pick up later down the line when its around 25 quid as I was interested in Arena shooter. After watching "worth a buy" fella on youtube I am completely turned of it.

Just by looking at footage in video you can see how Doom is just made for modern console gamer and completely ruined Arena shooter. He got Footage of Quake 3 and New Doom.

The range is horrible. Its clearly built up that enemies would be close to you, so models are big to hit.
FOW makes it so painful even to watch.
2 weapon limit and loud outs.... **** off now. It was supposed to be arena shooter. So Weapons are Balanced on loud outs level, not on how hard to get or master a weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k_LPEm0gtc

That guy's criticism of the demon rune makes zero sense since he thinks quad damage is fine. They're the exact same idea.

Shiminay

Watched a stream of it at the weekend from the Z Live guys (Quake Arena specialists). It looks really, really awful. Zero interest in this, no idea what they were thinking pushing out a game that looks ten years out of date.

Links234

Shiminay wrote: »

Watched a stream of it at the weekend from the Z Live guys (Quake Arena specialists). It looks really, really awful. Zero interest in this, no idea what they were thinking pushing out a game that looks ten years out of date.

I think it's just a symptom of the homogenization of the AAA games industry. I had zero interest in most shooters these days because of how samey everything's been, but I suppose that does make it all the easier for a good one to stand out when it comes along. I was cautiously optimistic about Doom because of how incredible Wolfenstein: The New Order was, but my interest has seriously waned since, and unless it has an absolutely stellar singleplayer campaign, I doubt it'll rekindle my interest at all.

Shiminay

Wolfenstein is ten times better looking (I mean in terms of engaging the imagination) than this new Doom though. It just looked boringly average in a world where Wolf exists.

Atomic Pineapple

Deleted User wrote: »

That guy's criticism of the demon rune makes zero sense since he thinks quad damage is fine. They're the exact same idea.

I think the demon rune lasts until a player is killed and then gets passed on to the player that killed them though does it? Does that occur with the quad damage too?

Asaiah

Wow that looks terrible! I won't be buying that so. I don't understand how a developer can get it so wrong.

Looking forward to the Angry Joe review of this.

ShetlandViking

This PC footage looks pretty insane. At the NVidia GTX 1080 conference they game got up to 200 fps

drunkmonkey

Just got an e-shot to download at a good price, still no reviews out though, not sure about the link, can't remember buying off them but could of, thread with caution just in case http://digital.simplygames.com/steam/doom