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darragh_haven

Dawggone wrote: »

Gave this 40mm last week. Waste of time.

It almost looks like you sprayed round - up on it. Would the 40mm just evaporated with the heat ye are getting

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

Gave this 40mm last week. Waste of time.

There's drought and then there's drought. Only seen that maybe twice ever. How fast will it recover when you get rain?

freedominacup

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Does extra kg of meal actually do anything to build cover or does it just buy extra milk. We're on 2kg here and mulling over wheather more will slow rotation or not?

I think a lot of us are still figuring out what the limits are. Ours are still supplying the same volume overall as they were on the 10th of July. Now that is down to lapses in early July more than anything but at the same time 25% more cows are supplying 45-50% more milk than this day last year. It's hard to know what exactly is going to happen with each management decision until it plays out while you are expanding. There's no real template for your own situation.

yosemitesam1

Dawggone wrote: »

Gave this 40mm last week. Waste of time.

Does anyone grow warm season annual grasses around you? Would use water as well as maize if not better.

yewtree

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Does extra kg of meal actually do anything to build cover or does it just buy extra milk. We're on 2kg here and mulling over wheather more will slow rotation or not?

There is lower substation rate for concentrate compared with silage. So a cow been buffer fed 3kg of meal will eat more grass than a cow buffer fed 3kg of silage. Don't remember exact figures but in situation I outlined could be close to 1kg DM grass /cow difference.
Easier build covers buffer feeding with silage but if silage is average quality cow isn't as well fed

Dawggone

darragh_haven wrote: »

It almost looks like you sprayed round - up on it. Would the 40mm just evaporated with the heat ye are getting

Wouldn't all evaporate. Just that grass won't grow at 35 - 40*.

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

There's drought and then there's drought. Only seen that maybe twice ever. How fast will it recover when you get rain?

Rain?
It'll take a lot of rain. Problem is, we got a years supply until middle of June and not a drop since, so it could be a while yet.

Dawggone

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Does anyone grow warm season annual grasses around you? Would use water as well as maize if not better.

That's a mix of drought resistant clover and 'Albion' grass seed. The yanks have great success with Albion...maybe they don't get the intense heat.

yosemitesam1

Dawggone wrote: »

That's a mix of drought resistant clover and 'Albion' grass seed. The yanks have great success with Albion...maybe they don't get the intense heat.

Have seen on some of the us websites sorghum, sudangrass and millet being grown, closer to maize than normal grass

Edit. Is albion ryegrass?

stanflt

stanflt wrote: »

Ebi doesn't work

Another high ebi heifer that was photographed here

This time a Pkx

Calved at 23 months

jack o shea

Anyone know if the coopers spot on will last fore long after opening? Have half a bottle left over.

freedominacup

Did a farm walk this evening. Really starting to burn here now. Very easy to find the rocky areas in paddocks now. We went to look at third cut with a view to cutting it but it's still looking ok. Still green and standing but if we don't get rain this week I think we'll take it out and fert for a fourth cut when/if rain comes in time.

Mooooo

freedominacup wrote: »

Did a farm walk this evening. Really starting to burn here now. Very easy to find the rocky areas in paddocks now. We went to look at third cut with a view to cutting it but it's still looking ok. Still green and standing but if we don't get rain this week I think we'll take it out and fert for a fourth cut when/if rain comes in time.

Is any of it grazeable instead of going in with bales or would the silage bales be of better quality?

degetme

Final scan done today
100% maidens incalf under 7weeks ai
Milkers 95.5% incalf .under ten week's ai
delighted with results as short breeding season and no bulls used.

Passed percolation test for dwelling house so a good day all round.

freedominacup

Mooooo wrote: »

Is any of it grazeable instead of going in with bales or would the silage bales be of better quality?

Some would be grazeabed but on an outfarm so of no benefit to milkers. 10mm of rain would do an awful lot for it. If we got that all thoughts of another cut would go out the window. Only reason for cutting now would be id it started to go backwards.

cosatron

stanflt wrote: »

Another high ebi heifer that was photographed here

This time a Pkx

Calved at 23 months

Dawggone

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Have seen on some of the us websites sorghum, sudangrass and millet being grown, closer to maize than normal grass

Edit. Is albion ryegrass?

Yes an ordinary grass.

What you mention above are shyte for milk production and can't be grazed. Maybe the sudangrass can I'm not sure.

I need a certain portion of grazed grass in the diet for health and mobility of the cows, but if it's of low value ld rather keep them indoors.

yosemitesam1

Dawggone wrote: »

Yes an ordinary grass.

What you mention above are shyte for milk production and can't be grazed. Maybe the sudangrass can I'm not sure.

I need a certain portion of grazed grass in the diet for health and mobility of the cows, but if it's of low value ld rather keep them indoors.

Dunno what any of them would feed like, there's a few legumes like lablab and desmodium that might have potential

stanflt

freedominacup wrote: »

There's drought and then there's drought. Only seen that maybe twice ever. How fast will it recover when you get rain?

Ground starting to burn up here

freedominacup

stanflt wrote: »

Ground starting to burn up here

We have plenty of that. Probably 2mm after landing in various ways since 10 last night. Hard to know how much good it will do.

Timmaay

freedominacup wrote: »

We have plenty of that. Probably 2mm after landing in various ways since 10 last night. Hard to know how much good it will do.

Just got several mm here, 5 at least.

whelan2

stanflt wrote: »

Ground starting to burn up here

did you get any rain this evening?

visatorro

Got a good spill here today anyway

stanflt

whelan2 wrote: »

did you get any rain this evening?

Well I put out 4 ton of fert earlier and its pissing down now so I'm happy out- I just hope I get a few soft days

freedominacup

stanflt wrote: »

Well I put out 4 ton of fert earlier and its pissing down now so I'm happy out- I just hope I get a few soft days

If growth had stopped and all you get US that spill of rain last night you could well see your money wasted. Happened here in '14 around the same time of the year. We got absolutely no response. One wet night and it dried up for another six or seven weeks. Mineralised N will support gr up to 20kg/day after droughts. Fert is no advantage until gr are higher than this.

pedigree 6

freedominacup wrote: »

If growth had stopped and all you get US that spill of rain last night you could well see your money wasted. Happened here in '14 around the same time of the year. We got absolutely no response. One wet night and it dried up for another six or seven weeks. Mineralised N will support gr up to 20kg/day after droughts. Fert is no advantage until gr are higher than this.

Good post. But there's no fear of last night's rain being a once off.
We're in for a wet spell now.
The east as well as the west this time.

Funnily enough just after getting a cover for fertiliser spreader. I had it ordered a week ago so I'll get use of it now.
Edit anytime you want rain let me know and I'll order another one.

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

If growth had stopped and all you get US that spill of rain last night you could well see your money wasted. Happened here in '14 around the same time of the year. We got absolutely no response. One wet night and it dried up for another six or seven weeks. Mineralised N will support gr up to 20kg/day after droughts. Fert is no advantage until gr are higher than this.

If your not opposed to a little recreational diesel burning...a run of a grass harrow maximizes mineralised N release.

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

If your not opposed to a little recreational diesel burning...a run of a grass harrow maximizes mineralised N release.

What is happening with the harrow?

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

What is happening with the harrow?

I don't rightly know the science behind it, but it works a treat.

Keepgrowing

Dawggone wrote: »

If your not opposed to a little recreational diesel burning...a run of a grass harrow maximizes mineralised N release.

Will you elaborate on process and how much bang is to be gotten