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C0N0R

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Anyone send cows to factory/mart lately?
Any prices?

Send three to the mart on Thursday, €1.20 a kilo straight out of the parlour not skin and bones but not finished either. Happy enough

Greengrass1

C0N0R wrote: »

Send three to the mart on Thursday, €1.20 a kilo straight out of the parlour not skin and bones but not finished either. Happy enough

Dealer was in the yard this morning. 350 was all he was offering. I said 600 - 650 which would be what they'd get in factory. Dried up since 20th Dec. Few wks of meal would finish them

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dealer was in the yard this morning. 350 was all he was offering. I said 600 - 650 which would be what they'd get in factory. Dried up since 20th Dec. Few was of meal would finish them

There are plenty of other people that will buy them and give you a fair price. 350 is an insult. I assume they are in good enough nick

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dealer was in the yard this morning. 350 was all he was offering. I said 600 - 650 which would be what they'd get in factory. Dried up since 20th Dec. Few was of meal would finish them

Go to mart with them gg and let the vulchers fight over them .in Nenagh anyway 600/650 kg cows made up to and more than 850 ,lighter cows about 1.20 up and under depending on quality and condition

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dealer was in the yard this morning. 350 was all he was offering. I said 600 - 650 which would be what they'd get in factory. Dried up since 20th Dec. Few was of meal would finish them

Go to mart with them gg and let the vulchers fight over them .in Nenagh anyway 600/650 kg cows made up to and more than 850 ,lighter cows about 1.20 up and under depending on quality and condition

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Go to mart with them gg and let the vulchers fight over them .in Nenagh anyway 600/650 kg cows made up to and more than 850 ,lighter cows about 1.20 up and under depending on quality and condition

I know ours aren't big cows and won't come into big money but they would get to the k if fattened. 650 would have been a fair price imo and I'd have let them on

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

There are plenty of other people that will buy them and give you a fair price. 350 is an insult. I assume they are in good enough nick

One isn't tbf. But rest ate quite good. There more like cows in right condition to calve which would be good

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I know ours aren't big cows and won't come into big money but they would get to the k if fattened. 650 would have been a fair price imo and I'd have let them on

I seen some 500/550 jex type cows make 4/500 depending on condition .there pretty friendless .def go to mart

billie holiday

Mart GG especially if they are young feeder type cows.
I have some old cows going abbatoir next week. Straight out of parlour 12 years old lame mastitic girls
Got quoted 2.10 per kg carcase weight. Should bring them into near 500 euro a piece and they are bad thin cows

billie holiday

Mart GG especially if they are young feeder type cows.
I have some old cows going abbatoir next week. Straight out of parlour 12 years old lame mastitic girls
Got quoted 2.10 per kg carcase weight. Should bring them into near 500 euro a piece and they are bad thin cows

mahoney_j

billie holiday wrote: »

Mart GG especially if they are young feeder type cows.
I have some old cows going abbatoir next week. Straight out of parlour 12 years old lame mastitic girls
Got quoted 2.10 per kg carcase weight. Should bring them into near 500 euro a piece and they are bad thin cows

Sent a 2001 br fr cow not great on feet ,got ecoli after calving and tried to die 10 times over but pulled through and milked away till December ,605 kg 890 euro in mart .if I got 500 for her she would of owed me nothing .best place for culls is mart

johnny122

So lads. Just learnt some land has come up next to us. It would increase farm by about a third. Currently working n wife same. Farm in father's name etc, little borrowing s. Dairy about 60 cows. My question would ya but it? N how. Proble would have half the price of it.

mahoney_j

johnny122 wrote: »

So lads. Just learnt some land has come up next to us. It would increase farm by about a third. Currently working n wife same. Farm in father's name etc, little borrowing s. Dairy about 60 cows. My question would ya but it? N how. Proble would have half the price of it.

Lucky you,land near parlour for sale in many parts of this country is a once in a generation type thing .id certainly be strongly considering it ,talk to your accountant ,make sure financial and tax affairs are in order .have a price in your head worked out as to max u can go to and don't go over it if funds can be secured .is it worth approaching land owner and seen can deal be done outside of auction

Greengrass1

johnny122 wrote: »

So lads. Just learnt some land has come up next to us. It would increase farm by about a third. Currently working n wife same. Farm in father's name etc, little borrowing s. Dairy about 60 cows. My question would ya but it? N how. Proble would have half the price of it.

Do you intend to go farming full time? I presume you will be able to milk another 40 cows?
Just remember you'll have to improve your facilities too if you go to milk more cows. Be it more cubicles/slurry/parlour/milk tank.

If you do go buy it make sure you borrow to reseed/lime/p+k/fence/water and road way it.
Don't do it out of cash flow

keep going

johnny122 wrote: »

So lads. Just learnt some land has come up next to us. It would increase farm by about a third. Currently working n wife same. Farm in father's name etc, little borrowing s. Dairy about 60 cows. My question would ya but it? N how. Proble would have half the price of it.

its funny how life works,i was just reading through the sunday papers and a thought struck me that there probaly was never a better time to go out and borrow money and invest from a long term interest point of view.theres plenty negative talk about milk price but if you are going to borrow money to farm things are very favourable in the near term.every body can look back and tell you that such a time was the right time to borrow but few will predict it

johnny122

keep going wrote: »

its funny how life works,i was just reading through the sunday papers and a thought struck me that there probaly was never a better time to go out and borrow money and invest from a long term interest point of view.theres plenty negative talk about milk price but if you are going to borrow money to farm things are very favourable in the near term.every body can look back and tell you that such a time was the right time to borrow but few will predict it

Have you some hard facts to back up your optimism?

C0N0R

Had a cow slipped in parlour yesterday morning and has been down ever since, as is typical she was milking very well and only a third calver, lifted her this morning and she supported the weight on the front feet for a few mins but nothing since, not really making an effort to getup on them this evening. Don't hold much hope for her. Tis a pain by times.

caseman

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dealer was in the yard this morning. 350 was all he was offering. I said 600 - 650 which would be what they'd get in factory. Dried up since 20th Dec. Few wks of meal would finish them

How are you fixed for spare grass, meal conversion with cows is very poor.
I'm holding mine until may or june hope it pays.

cute geoge

johnny122 wrote: »

Have you some hard facts to back up your optimism?

Agriculture was never as voilitile going forward .I would find it hard for any farmer to justify high repayments.
My advice is go for but remember'' to always keep a guard to the knave''
Keep repayments manageable and factor in worst case scenario

frazzledhome

C0N0R wrote: »

Had a cow slipped in parlour yesterday morning and has been down ever since, as is typical she was milking very well and only a third calver, lifted her this morning and she supported the weight on the front feet for a few mins but nothing since, not really making an effort to getup on them this evening. Don't hold much hope for her. Tis a pain by times.

Calcium
I'd bang 2 bottles into the vein and a Mag under the skin.

Vets spring rule

Down, give it calcium
In, get it out
Out, get it in

C0N0R

frazzledhome wrote: »

Calcium
I'd bang 2 bottles into the vein and a Mag under the skin.

Vets spring rule

Down, give it calcium
In, get it out
Out, get it in

She got calcium in the vein this morning and anti inflammatory, vet called in to look at her. Outside wouldn't be a bad shout, she's calved and served so not fresh.

whelan2

Supposed to be very heavy rain tomorrow night and Tuesday. Would leave her in on a deep bed u til that passes.

keep going

johnny122 wrote: »

Have you some hard facts to back up your optimism?

my comments are in relation to borrowing costs rather than farm income in the future.the most concrete evidence is the margin on 5 year fixed rates has declined over the last `18 months to such an extent that in my view they must regard as no risk lending.other than that this crack in china is one of the most fundamental changes in the world economy since japan went bust.no matter what happened the last 15 years china grew.from what i read today money is flowing out of china and in to safer economies in the west.also other times we had to wait for the eu to drag down interest rates due to the conserevative nature of the eu but this time they are down and that same conservatism may slow any increses.but take all this with a pinch of salt because any economic sucess i have enjoyed has been based on being able to shovle or pike quickly rather than superb economic trend reading:D

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Calcium
I'd bang 2 bottles into the vein and a Mag under the skin.

Vets spring rule

Down, give it calcium
In, get it out
Out, get it in

Vet here last spring says always give 3 bottles.
1 calcium in the vein with 100ml of mag in it. (Let it in slow though)
2nd bottle calcium under skin and rest of the mag under the skin

Milked out

C0N0R wrote: »

Had a cow slipped in parlour yesterday morning and has been down ever since, as is typical she was milking very well and only a third calver, lifted her this morning and she supported the weight on the front feet for a few mins but nothing since, not really making an effort to getup on them this evening. Don't hold much hope for her. Tis a pain by times.

Had a cow bulling last Fri, along with 3 more. came out in morning and she had splits done. Put her out but no up since back is fecked I'd say. Got vet to give painkiller but will call knackery 2moro. Same story 4th calver with all calvings in Oct. ..

Greengrass1

caseman wrote: »

How are you fixed for spare grass, meal conversion with cows is very poor.
I'm holding mine until may or june hope it pays.

Stocked at 2.6 this yr. Won't be carrying them on over the summer

visatorro

must be something in the water around these parts.
older generation here is typical of old irish negative/conservative individual. usual rows between generations here.
but the year ahead with impending doom of milk prices et al has brought out a side that iv never seen before. they reckon that if we survive this year we'll survive anything. suppose its only when the real pressure comes on that true character comes to the for. even talk of buying land coming up beside us!! never heard tell of before!!

so that's the message I got from this morning anyway, keep bulling and face it head on. I say as Im away to bed for the day!!!

visatorro

must be something in the water around these parts.
older generation here is typical of old irish negative/conservative individual. usual rows between generations here.
but the year ahead with impending doom of milk prices et al has brought out a side that iv never seen before. they reckon that if we survive this year we'll survive anything. suppose its only when the real pressure comes on that true character comes to the for. even talk of buying land coming up beside us!! never heard tell of before!!

so that's the message I got from this morning anyway, keep bulling and face it head on. I say as Im away to bed for the day!!!

whelan2

visatorro wrote: »

must be something in the water around these parts.
older generation here is typical of old irish negative/conservative individual. usual rows between generations here.
but the year ahead with impending doom of milk prices et al has brought out a side that iv never seen before. they reckon that if we survive this year we'll survive anything. suppose its only when the real pressure comes on that true character comes to the for. even talk of buying land coming up beside us!! never heard tell of before!!

so that's the message I got from this morning anyway, keep bulling and face it head on. I say as Im away to bed for the day!!!

We survived 2009 and 2013

orm0nd

mahoney_j wrote: »

Go to mart with them gg and let the vulchers fight over them .in Nenagh anyway 600/650 kg cows made up to and more than 850 ,lighter cows about 1.20 up and under depending on quality and condition

Thurles stronger MJ especially for big framed cows with any bit of cover,


first casualty of '16 during the night . dead calf 3 weeks from time, vet earned his fee getting him out.... thought at 1 stage we'd have to do a section ... will drop him to lab. later, cow appears to be ok but raw in herself.