Bouncers

PTH2009

Just after watching rise of the foot soldier life story of Carlton Leech

A few things I wonder about

Were bouncers in clubs in those times really that tough no **** taking maniacs ??

The Backwards Man

Google doesn't know who Charlton Leech is.

I don't know who Charlton Leech is

The dog in the street (Lucky in her bed) doesn't know who Charlton Leech is.

Can't be that hard, who the fcuk is he?

pmasterson95

Hes a Bouncher

Tombi!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Leach
Typo by the OP I'm guessing?

PTH2009

Tombi! wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Leach
Typo by the OP I'm guessing?

Yeah my bad

The Backwards Man

Tombi! wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Leach
Typo by the OP I'm guessing?

Ah, now it all makes senshe.:P

JonEBGud

Bring back "Lugs Branigan".

Ruu

Sorry bud, not tonight.

KKkitty

Ruu wrote: »

Sorry bud, not tonight.

But I'm 18 :pac:

jimgoose

Some of them, yes. The ones who weren't really there to inspect your dress-sense.

The Backwards Man

Chucker outing is one of what I call the Catch-22 occupations. In the majority of cases, those who actually want to do the job are the exact people that shouldn't be let anywhere near the job, and the ones who would actually be good at it want fcuk all to do with it.

Gatling

KKkitty wrote: »

But I'm 18 :pac:

Buts it's 24 and a half night

Charlie19

The old "regulars only" really got on my nerves.

How does one become a regular then?

KKkitty

Gatling wrote: »

Buts it's 24 and a half night

Meant to say I'm 25 sorry

KKkitty

Charlie19 wrote: »

The old "regulars only" really got on my nerves.

How does one become a regular then?

Regularly wait outside to be let in?.

Jotunheim

PTH2009 wrote: »

Were bouncers in clubs in those times really that tough no **** taking maniacs ??

No, those particular kinds of bouncers were nasty, violent, ruthless, criminal scum who worked in any situation they felt allowed them license to hurt people and they shouldn't be glorified in films.

Tombi!

KKkitty wrote: »

Meant to say I'm 25 sorry

Sorry, but regulars only.
And no, just because we let that 15 year old in with no ID that's never been here before doesn't mean anything.

Tombi!

Actually, OP, to answer your question: from what I've read the "tough hardman" as in thuggish, more likely to slap you for drinking too much than telling you to stop type was generally in bad clubs. Bad being either very rough or general dodgy. Filled with criminals, etc. That could pretty much afford to have a bad image since their regulars would be regulars because they got to push the line.

KKkitty

Tombi! wrote: »

Sorry, but regulars only.
And no, just because we let that 15 year old in with no ID that's never been here before doesn't mean anything.

But my friend is in there and she has my purse.

Charlie19

KKkitty wrote: »

Regularly wait outside to be let in?.

I'll only be turned away once from a club.

KKkitty

Charlie19 wrote: »

I'll only be turned away once from a club.

Same here. Couldn't stick to just one nightclub though.

jimgoose

Tombi! wrote: »

Actually, OP, to answer your question: from what I've read the "tough hardman" type was generally in bad clubs. Bad being either very rough or general dodgy. Filled with criminals, etc. That could pretty much afford to have a bad image since their regulars would be regulars because they got to push the line.

A few of the nicest, most peaceful, respectably-clienteled clubs I've been in had 1% MC merchants on the doors.

Gatling

KKkitty wrote: »

Meant to say I'm 25 sorry

Sign says 24 and a half

RDM_83 again

Tombi! wrote: »

Actually, OP, to answer your question: from what I've read the "tough hardman" type was generally in bad clubs. Bad being either very rough or general dodgy. Filled with criminals, etc. That could pretty much afford to have a bad image since their regulars would be regulars because they got to push the line.

Depends on the breed of tough hard men though, drank in places up north where the bouncers would be considered very dangerous people (in that they could have you beaten/ran out of town/shot). Different to football hooligan types though in that you actually had to do something pretty serious for them to be anything more than mild mannered middle aged men.

Tombi!

Well, I'll go and edit that. What I mean was "thug" as in "violence first, then maybe talking". Not literally in terms of how tough they are; more so the "beat someone up 5 on 1 and be tough" type.

JonEBGud

Ruu wrote: »

Sorry bud, not tonight.

Poor old Lugs wasn't the worst of them.

jimgoose

Tombi! wrote: »

Well, I'll go and edit that. What I mean was "thug" as in "violence first, then maybe talking". Not literally in terms of how tough they are; more so the "beat someone up 5 on 1 and be tough" type.

I understood the spirit and intent to be real hawrd bawstards, as opposed to half-mad strung-out bullies.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Many of these clubs in London would have been run by gangsters and people connected to crime. They'd put their heavies on the door to make sure rival criminals didn't try and enter to do harm, sell drugs on their turf etc.

RedemptionZ

I've never been given the regulars only line before... Intrigued now, where do I go to get refused for this?

There aren't many dodgy bouncers in Ireland, a few 'hard lads' who'll take the first opportunity to hit you but when you start going further adrift into the 'less developed' parts of the mainland the bouncers are far tougher and far rougher. I was in a relatively rural part of Portugal before and saw a 16 year old guy trying to sneak into the pub, he got caught and 4 of the so called private security took him down a lane and beat the **** out of him. Kicks when he's on the ground that kind of thing. Now maybe people will say he deserved a wallop, but they were all big men and he was a weedy young lad. This was last year and I went back this year and the same bouncers are still there, still taking the law into their own hands. You'd never see that in Ireland.

lizzyman

RedemptionZ wrote: »

I've never been given the regulars only line before... Intrigued now, where do I go to get refused for this?

There aren't many dodgy bouncers in Ireland, a few 'hard lads' who'll take the first opportunity to hit you but when you start going further adrift into the 'less developed' parts of the mainland the bouncers are far tougher and far rougher. I was in a relatively rural part of Portugal before and saw a 16 year old guy trying to sneak into the pub, he got caught and 4 of the so called private security took him down a lane and beat the **** out of him. Kicks when he's on the ground that kind of thing. Now maybe people will say he deserved a wallop, but they were all big men and he was a weedy young lad. This was last year and I went back this year and the same bouncers are still there, still taking the law into their own hands. You'd never see that in Ireland.

Ever seen the military police with the automatic rifles that come out at night in places like Lagos and Faro in the Algarve? Scary looking fúckers.

RedemptionZ

lizzyman wrote: »

Ever seen the military police with the automatic rifles that come out at night in places like Lagos and Faro in the Algarve? Scary looking fúckers.

Yeah I've been there too! Seems to be the norm there, scares the ****e out of me and it's always Irish and British people on the end of any violence from them, probably due to our drinking cultures.

Adyx

I never really understand the fascination with bouncers. If a place has dickhead bouncers, then more than likely the staff, management and clientele are dickheads too. So why bother. Just go somewhere else. I can only speak from my own experience but generally the **** ones are weeded out and the good ones are the senior doorstaff you see on doors and who know what they're doing.

All that said I will over-rule bouncers when I think they're wrong. They cannot be relied upon to check for ID or drunkenness and many seem confused about legal closing times in Ireland.

MadsL

Bouncers in the US have gold shields just like cops. Wonder if it cuts down the 'hardman' factor?

Sir Osis of Liver.

Two chromosomes walk up to a night club and the bouncer says "Sorry lads, no genes."

arybvtcw0eolkf

PTH2009 wrote: »

Just after watching rise of the foot soldier life story of Carlton Leech

A few things I wonder about

Were bouncers in clubs in those times really that tough no **** taking maniacs ??

Yes.

Don't mind what people say they read about bouncers etc.

I'm working the doors 25 years now, and yes bouncers were tough f*ckers.

Now its a little different, and nothing to do with the PSA (Private Security Authority), they're another FF/Green qwango with no real powers. They're another revenue maker and feck all else.

The bigger difference now is CCTV everywhere and people are liable to sue very quickly too.. Bars and clubs are also aware of social media, particularly the likes of FB and Tripadvisor ~ very bad reviews can cost you a lot of money.

There are still some very tough lads working the doors, but a lot of idiots too who wouldn't have been given work back then.

Great movie and from memory accurate for the time too.

myshirt

Ever head out in Liverpool?

Behave yourself and you'll have a great night. An absolutely great night. Misbehave, and by Christ.

Sh1tbag OToole

Adyx wrote: »

I never really understand the fascination with bouncers. If a place has dickhead bouncers, then more than likely the staff, management and clientele are dickheads too. So why bother. Just go somewhere else. I can only speak from my own experience but generally the **** ones are weeded out and the good ones are the senior doorstaff you see on doors and who know what they're doing.

All that said I will over-rule bouncers when I think they're wrong. They cannot be relied upon to check for ID or drunkenness and many seem confused about legal closing times in Ireland.

I'd avoid pubs with bouncers altogether. Feck it yer paying for the lad(s) standing outside the door as well as the barman in those places. There is probably a reason they have decided to take on bouncers as well, similar to how the shops in O'Connell street have all got them.

NachoBusiness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yXwu1O49Uk

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

I'd avoid pubs with bouncers altogether. Feck it yer paying for the lad(s) standing outside the door as well as the barman in those places. There is probably a reason they have decided to take on bouncers as well, similar to how the shops in O'Connell street have all got them.

Usually to keep you safe from the sh*t bags outside who'd rather come in an glass you, rob your belongings, cause trouble, inject themselves in the loo's etc etc.

99% of the sh*t we take on the door the customers is largely unaware of. If we weren't there, you'd be aware of it.

Of course not everywhere is the same, Limerick for example. I love visiting the city, and hardly a bar with a bouncer (at least mid week) but then the streets are very quiet compared to Dublin and there's little need for security.

I'm of an age now where I expect door staff to hold the door open for me and greet me with a smile ~ anything else and I'll take my business elsewhere.

Fran1985

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

I'd avoid pubs with bouncers altogether. Feck it yer paying for the lad(s) standing outside the door as well as the barman in those places. There is probably a reason they have decided to take on bouncers as well, similar to how the shops in O'Connell street have all got them.

Most popular venues would have bouncers. in fact i can't think of 1 off top of my head that doesn't. Its very hard to avoid them. I go out and enjoy myself. I dont do a head count when i go somewhere, to see how many staff ill be paying for on a given night. They're used for more than stopping trouble. Its so the bar staff dont have to worry about serving underagers too, not to mention theres always one ejit on a nightout looking for a barney. Ludicrous to think a place with bouncers is dodgey. And yoi'll find security on shops throughout town, not just oconnell street.

Sh1tbag OToole

Fran1985 wrote: »

Most popular venues would have bouncers. in fact i can't think of 1 off top of my head that doesn't. Its very hard to avoid them. I go out and enjoy myself. I dont do a head count when i go somewhere, to see how many staff ill be paying for on a given night. They're used for more than stopping trouble. Its so the bar staff dont have to worry about serving underagers too, not to mention theres always one ejit on a nightout looking for a barney. Ludicrous to think a place with bouncers is dodgey. And yoi'll find security on shops throughout town, not just oconnell street.

It is usually a certain type of pub that has bouncers, not the type I'd be going to unless someone dragged me in there

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

It is usually a certain type of pub that has bouncers, not the type I'd be going to unless someone dragged me in there

Go on, for the craic type cast the pub which would typically have bouncers for us.

Mr.Carter

Limerick and Cork were very bad in the 90s for Dixkhead bouncers

Sh1tbag OToole

Giana Damp Switchboard wrote: »

Go on, for the craic type cast the pub which would typically have bouncers for us.

Ok so :cool:

They would usually double as a nightclub or at least have a late license, professionally designed logo outside the door, if it opened recently it would have leveraged social media heavily to hype up its opening day, perhaps taking on a 'rent-a-mob' from a marketing firm. Pub is owned by a 30-something entrepreneur with a cheesy grin and a well trimmed beard.

Inside it would be usually quite industrial looking with large posters and big screens covering up the otherwise 'unfinished building' look. Inside you'd have young, often clueless but well groomed bar staff with dyed and / or spiky hair all wearing the same clothes (possibly branded). Some of the staff may have a poor grasp of the English language and give back the wrong change but ya wouldn't mind too much because on a busy night you'd get your own back by passing off any ould worthless foreign currency as 1 and 2 euro coins. They wouldn't have too many taps at a time running either.

The jingleberries would tend to be loud and fairly sh1te, yet not the absolute worst, no Justin Bieber or anything, not much vocals in an attempt to keep it neutral. You'd get some of the more unusual stuff on tap like Hoegaarden and a couple of popular craft beers for the hipster vote but nothing mad eccentric either. There'd usually be a little upstairs part with no Guinness tap and possibly no stout at all. There'd be a cocktail menu but it would only have stuff that's easy and quick to make. In one of the corners you'd have one of those mist or fake smoke generator thingies and you'd go and sit close to that hoping it was real smoke and wishing it would drown out the smell of farts from lads who'd be off their heads flailing around the place with skinny jeans and white t-shirts thinking they're the bee's knees.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Ok so :cool:

They would usually double as a nightclub or at least have a late license, professionally designed logo outside the door, if it opened recently it would have leveraged social media heavily to hype up its opening day, perhaps taking on a 'rent-a-mob' from a marketing firm. Pub is owned by a 30-something entrepreneur with a cheesy grin and a well trimmed beard.

Inside it would be usually quite industrial looking with large posters and big screens covering up the otherwise 'unfinished building' look. Inside you'd have young, often clueless but well groomed bar staff with dyed and / or spiky hair all wearing the same clothes (possibly branded). Some of the staff may have a poor grasp of the English language and give back the wrong change but ya wouldn't mind too much because on a busy night you'd get your own back by passing off any ould worthless foreign currency as 1 and 2 euro coins. They wouldn't have too many taps at a time running either.

The jingleberries would tend to be loud and fairly sh1te, yet not the absolute worst, no Justin Bieber or anything, not much vocals in an attempt to keep it neutral. You'd get some of the more unusual stuff on tap like Hoegaarden and a couple of popular craft beers for the hipster vote but nothing mad eccentric either. There'd usually be a little upstairs part with no Guinness tap and possibly no stout at all. There'd be a cocktail menu but it would only have stuff that's easy and quick to make. In one of the corners you'd have one of those mist or fake smoke generator thingies and you'd go and sit close to that hoping it was real smoke and wishing it would drown out the smell of farts from lads who'd be off their heads flailing around the place with skinny jeans and white t-shirts thinking they're the bee's knees.

Mad post.

Goodnight.

Billy86

Tombi! wrote: »

Sorry, but regulars only.
And no, just because we let that 15 year old in with no ID but their prematurely massive tits that's never been here before doesn't mean anything.

The uneasy truth you learn when you do some promo work during college. :-/

Plenty of creepy auld f***ers on those doors.

Fran1985

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Ok so :cool:

They would usually double as a nightclub or at least have a late license, professionally designed logo outside the door, if it opened recently it would have leveraged social media heavily to hype up its opening day, perhaps taking on a 'rent-a-mob' from a marketing firm. Pub is owned by a 30-something entrepreneur with a cheesy grin and a well trimmed beard.

Inside it would be usually quite industrial looking with large posters and big screens covering up the otherwise 'unfinished building' look. Inside you'd have young, often clueless but well groomed bar staff with dyed and / or spiky hair all wearing the same clothes (possibly branded). Some of the staff may have a poor grasp of the English language and give back the wrong change but ya wouldn't mind too much because on a busy night you'd get your own back by passing off any ould worthless foreign currency as 1 and 2 euro coins. They wouldn't have too many taps at a time running either.

The jingleberries would tend to be loud and fairly sh1te, yet not the absolute worst, no Justin Bieber or anything, not much vocals in an attempt to keep it neutral. You'd get some of the more unusual stuff on tap like Hoegaarden and a couple of popular craft beers for the hipster vote but nothing mad eccentric either. There'd usually be a little upstairs part with no Guinness tap and possibly no stout at all. There'd be a cocktail menu but it would only have stuff that's easy and quick to make. In one of the corners you'd have one of those mist or fake smoke generator thingies and you'd go and sit close to that hoping it was real smoke and wishing it would drown out the smell of farts from lads who'd be off their heads flailing around the place with skinny jeans and white t-shirts thinking they're the bee's knees.

You should get out more.

Sh1tbag OToole

Fran1985 wrote: »

You should get out more.

Not into them places anyway

uck51js9zml2yt

Never been refused entrance to a club...


Forgot to mention, I've never been to one...ever:)

Simon2015

Bouncers now are alot more reasonable than they were in the Celtic Tiger years.

Back then I used to get refused from alteast one pub/club over the course of a night. Now its only in a blue moon when I get refused from somewhere.

Sh1tbag OToole

Breanna Elegant Cactus wrote: »

Never been refused entrance to a club...


Forgot to mention, I've never been to one...ever:)

Yer not missing out. Tis just paying to get into this room full of drunks to buy some overpriced drink and hop around the place to sh1te music