Eircode Anomolies

mayway

As we all know the eircodes were launched yesterday. This thread can be used to highlight the anomalies that are being found.

mayway

I see that Malahide has a code of K36 and Swords has a code of K67.

For some reason the Swords estate of Waterside has a code K36.

I know that was plenty of debate on this in the past but I thought that it was all sorted out.

Also, Portmarnock, which is in Dublin North County and had an address of Co. Dublin has been somehow transferred to D13 thereby lumping it in with Donaghmede, Baldoyle, Clarehall, Bayside, etc. Is this an official change? Or a mistake?

moyners

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055687960&page=463

The_Conductor

I see ruins- and indeed houses which have demolished for over 15 years- have Eircodes assigned to them. Also- whats the story with 'We have found multiple possible entries for the address input- please choose from the list below'- and then no list is below?

The OS Maps are a nice touch- shame they are so out of date though.

my3cents

The only anomalies are that some people will see that they have been using the wrong postal address for years and have gotten away with it.

The postal address is often different to the actual address because of the way mail is delivered. I live on a boundary of two mail routes, if I use my actual address then mail goes to the wrong postman and then back the following day to the correct postman who starts work some 25 miles away.

For some people its always been like that now anyone can look up the anomalies that have always been there and make a fuss about it.

My eircode address for example has had another line added to it (a townland/village 10 miles away in addition to the townland/village that I use) which is quite misleading but the postman doesn't and has never needed that information to deliver mail to me.

pwurple

my3cents wrote: »

The only anomalies are that some people will see that they have been using the wrong postal address for years and have gotten away with it.

O RLLY?
So the only anomalies are people using the wrong address? Shannon airport is in Limerick after all! :pac:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33510924

I don't think so. My house name is on a sign on the gates, and engraved on the letterbox. It's also on the title.

Eircode shows that particular house name to be off down the other end of the street, where my neighbours have a different name on their house. I'm not using the wrong address.... the eircode site has an error.

moyners

pwurple wrote: »

O RLLY?
So the only anomalies are people using the wrong address? Shannon airport is in Limerick after all! :pac:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33510924

I don't think so. My house name is on a sign on the gates, and engraved on the letterbox. It's also on the title.

Eircode shows that particular house name to be off down the other end of the street, where my neighbours have a different name on their house. I'm not using the wrong address.... the eircode site has an error.

To be fair, it's not eircode put Shannon in Limerick.This has been going on since forever...

my3cents

pwurple wrote: »

O RLLY?
So the only anomalies are people using the wrong address? Shannon airport is in Limerick after all! :pac:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33510924

I don't think so. My house name is on a sign on the gates, and engraved on the letterbox. It's also on the title.

Eircode shows that particular house name to be off down the other end of the street, where my neighbours have a different name on their house. I'm not using the wrong address.... the eircode site has an error.

You've totally missed the point which is the POSTAL ADDRESS of Shannon Airport is LIMERICK

It just goes to show that An Post treat everyone equally and don't make exceptions for well know locations.

If eircode has an error then the most likely reason is that your address according to An Post was never what you thought it was or that it was wrong on one of the other databases that Eircode consulted to create their database. Mail has got through for years on the bases of the postman knowing where everyone lived. So all you needed to use was an address that got your mail to the correct postman.

We have a name on the gate but not sure how old the name is (house is min 165 yo and probably 200 or more) and Eircode have missed it off our official address. No big deal at the end of the day its still the postman that delivers most of our mail and he'll still be going by our family name.

ted1

mayway wrote: »

I see that Malahide has a code of K36 and Swords has a code of K67.

For some reason the Swords estate of Waterside has a code K36.

I know that was plenty of debate on this in the past but I thought that it was all sorted out.

Also, Portmarnock, which is in Dublin North County and had an address of Co. Dublin has been somehow transferred to D13 thereby lumping it in with Donaghmede, Baldoyle, Clarehall, Bayside, etc. Is this an official change? Or a mistake?

isn't the whole point of eircode to do away with the address. It's assigning a unique identifying code that needs no other part. so you can forget about towns and everything else.

to post me a letter just write.
Ted1
A96 CA12

Michael D Not Higgins

my3cents wrote: »

We have a name on the gate but not sure how old the name is (house is min 165 yo and probably 200 or more) and Eircode have missed it off our official address. No big deal at the end of the day its still the postman that delivers most of our mail and he'll still be going by our family name.

Out of all my relatives, my uncle lives in the most rural and remote (a farm in Mayo). He has a name on the gate which only went up maybe 10 years ago. It's on the eircode as the official name of the property.

loyatemu

ted1 wrote: »

isn't the whole point of eircode to do away with the address. It's assigning a unique identifying code that needs no other part. so you can forget about towns and everything else.

to post me a letter just write.
Ted1
A96 CA12

except that the postman isn't going to know where that is, so the street etc would have to be added at the sorting office.

moyners

loyatemu wrote: »

except that the postman isn't going to know where that is, so the street etc would have to be added at the sorting office.

Letters seem to be delivered with just eircode it seems https://twitter.com/dp_ie/status/620926138269962240

my3cents

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Out of all my relatives, my uncle lives in the most rural and remote (a farm in Mayo). He has a name on the gate which only went up maybe 10 years ago. It's on the eircode as the official name of the property.

That reminds me of the story about a lot of farms in North Wales marked on the Ordinance Survey maps as "Gwyliwch rhag y ci" or "Caewch y git" which translate as Beware of the Dog and Shut the Gate. Link

ablelocks

we've been relocated to a neighbouring parish in Co. Clare, which in turn has been relocated to Limerick.

dollydishmop

my3cents wrote: »

The only anomalies are that some people will see that they have been using the wrong postal address for years and have gotten away with it.

So the fact that our cottage doesn't have an Eircode assigned to it at all isn't an anomaly?

They don't seem too quick to respond to my emailed query on this matter. Is there any other way of getting hold of them?

my3cents

dollydishmop wrote: »

So the fact that our cottage doesn't have an Eircode assigned to it at all isn't an anomaly?

They don't seem too quick to respond to my emailed query on this matter. Is there any other way of getting hold of them?

I looked mine up Monday online but it arrived in the post today Tuesday the day after the launch.

ted1

dollydishmop wrote: »

So the fact that our cottage doesn't have an Eircode assigned to it at all isn't an anomaly?

They don't seem too quick to respond to my emailed query on this matter. Is there any other way of getting hold of them?

They only realised them yesterday , how are they not quick. Give them a chance would you ,

dollydishmop

my3cents wrote: »

I looked mine up Monday online but it arrived in the post today Tuesday the day after the launch.

They haven't assigned one to our place at all on their map, so not holding my breath for a postal communication :rolleyes: ....yet a farmer down the road has one for both his house and one of this barns?

The_Conductor

Our old house, that was demolished two years ago, has an Eircode. The two houses currently being built where it stood- don't. Sigh.

GerardKeating

The_Conductor wrote: »

Our old house, that was demolished two years ago, has an Eircode. The two houses currently being built where it stood- don't. Sigh.

Well, a partially built house would hardly get post ?

my3cents

If you don't have an Eircode assigned then fair enough that is an anomaly, similarly a barn getting an Eircode is an anomally but if the address that the Eircode is assigned to isn't exactly the same as the one you are currently using then I don't call that an anomaly.

Locally while there are 14 addresses that are non unique and effectively the same there are hardly two houses that use that same address. There's a cross road at one end of the road which is a known landmark so some addresses use "xxxx cross" as part of the address. At the other end of the road there is a bridge so thats become part of other peoples address, some use the old delivery route townland in the address with others using the townland the postman now starts his route and then some use the Irish spelling y instead of i in the area name. None of those 14 addresses is exactly the same as the address used by Eircode but none of them are anomalies because just like urban myths the addresses have just developed over time.

mayway

Any rude ones out there?

borderlinemeath

I also moved county overnight. The border is about 2/3 kms up the road but no matter to eircode it seems.

my3cents

borderlinemeath wrote: »

I also moved county overnight. The border is about 2/3 kms up the road but no matter to eircode it seems.

But which side of the boarder does your postman start his route or pick up the mail? A business I've just been dealing with is in Co. Kilkenny but their postal address is and always has been Waterford because their mail comes from Waterford not Kilkenny.

The_Conductor

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borderlinemeath

my3cents wrote: »

But which side of the boarder does your postman start his route or pick up the mail? A business I've just been dealing with is in Co. Kilkenny but their postal address is and always has been Waterford because their mail comes from Waterford not Kilkenny.

It comes from the Louth sorting office which is about 1/2 a kilometre from the Meath border! It's funny how it suits every government department for the easiest route for themselves yet when it comes to CoCo offices or departments that the general public have to travel to and use then it's their way or the highway - most services for where I live are based in Navan, including the Garda Station which is half an hour away, rather than the Drogheda station which is less than 10 minutes away.

my3cents

borderlinemeath wrote: »

It comes from the Louth sorting office which is about 1/2 a kilometre from the Meath border! It's funny how it suits every government department for the easiest route for themselves yet when it comes to CoCo offices or departments that the general public have to travel to and use then it's their way or the highway - most services for where I live are based in Navan, including the Garda Station which is half an hour away, rather than the Drogheda station which is less than 10 minutes away.

Its the same here, the bridge at the end of the road and the river are a boundary for Garda, nearest station 6 miles but the station that covers us is 20 miles away and same with the post. Even the council road gangs meet at the bridge and each does half way across fixing pot holes, so one side is reasonably maintained and the other is much worse.

The_Conductor

Snap. We're the border between South Dublin Co. Co. and Fingal Co.Co.
Neither really give a damn about where we are- but Fingal set up traffic lights on their side of a bridge- which creates mayhem for all the residents on the SDCC side.......

This country is nuts.

guile4582

should we start using these eircodes now?

plodder

mayway wrote: »

Any rude ones out there?

Not sure if would be considered rude, but D11 has a set of codes that begin with D11CK.

Seems to have slipped through the cracks though as they weren't supposed to allow codes that would look like names either.

my3cents

guile4582 wrote: »

should we start using these eircodes now?

Yes its a good habit to get into but you don't have to and An Post don't need them.

I will be using mine on the bases that if an item gets misdirected and its correctly addressed with its correct Eircode then I have good reason to complain.

The_Conductor

guile4582 wrote: »

should we start using these eircodes now?

To be brutally honest- the non-sequential nature of the codes- means other than people who can bring up the website and see exactly where a property is- aka people at a computer- or a select few of couriers- there isn't a whole lot of reason for using it.

I was talking to Bord Gais earlier- and asked if they could pull up my property using the EIRCODE- nope,they can't. Their only primary keys are account number or GPRN.

An Post aren't interested- the non-sequential number- means they need the address, come what may (my postman sarcastically said that if he has to use it- that he would be grateful if people would put their EIRCODES on their doors- along with their house number- as how the hell is he to find which house is which otherwise.........

Some couriers are planning on using them. Some companies who organise home deliveries- are planning to charge for any failed deliveries that do not feature an EIRCODE.

In all honesty- there is a strong argument for the introduction of postcodes- dump the current EIRCODES- and bring in a logical, sequential, postcode system. Don't associate it with individual properties- do with a street- so in London for example SE1 2EY- is a small street called Gladstone street with 14 houses on it. Several of them are converting their basements into self contained apartments- all of which can happily use the same code.

I can see us needing to revist this going forward. For 90% of people- we're still going to need a Loc8 and/or geographical coordinates (I prefer coordinates- but they're rather cumbersome).

mayway

plodder wrote: »

Not sure if would be considered rude, but D11 has a set of codes that begin with D11CK.

Seems to have slipped through the cracks though as they weren't supposed to allow codes that would look like names either.

Excellent! I'm almost jealous. I'd love a code like that.

guile4582

slipped through the cracks eh?

plodder

guile4582 wrote: »

slipped through the cracks eh?

naughty boy ...

The_Conductor

The_Conductor wrote: »

In all honesty- there is a strong argument for the introduction of postcodes- dump the current EIRCODES- and bring in a logical, sequential, postcode system. Don't associate it with individual properties- do with a street- so in London for example SE1 2EY- is a small street called Gladstone street with 14 houses on it. Several of them are converting their basements into self contained apartments- all of which can happily use the same code.

I can see us needing to revist this going forward. For 90% of people- we're still going to need a Loc8 and/or geographical coordinates (I prefer coordinates- but they're rather cumbersome).

The thing is, that doesn't solve the non-unique address problem we have. My parents live in a townland and it wasn't uncommon to have to give cumbersome directions in order to find them. If this system is implemented properly in sat-navs and mapping apps then it should do the job.

I've only ever heard of Loc8 on Boards, what's so good about it?

The_Conductor

Karsini wrote: »

I've only ever heard of Loc8 on Boards, what's so good about it?

Whats so good- is lots of Satnavs (all the Garmins for example- others too)- can be unlocked to use Loc8 codes- so potentially you could pop it in your Satnav and off you go. This isn't an option with your Eircode.

The_Conductor

The_Conductor wrote: »

Whats so good- is lots of Satnavs (all the Garmins for example- others too)- can be unlocked to use Loc8 codes- so potentially you could pop it in your Satnav and off you go. This isn't an option with your Eircode.

Are these the codes that Garmin were putting up on buildings in Dublin city centre in 2010?

murpho999

The_Conductor wrote: »

Whats so good- is lots of Satnavs (all the Garmins for example- others too)- can be unlocked to use Loc8 codes- so potentially you could pop it in your Satnav and off you go. This isn't an option with your Eircode.

Well not yet, I'm sure that will come in the future. We're only on day 3.

joujoujou

The_Conductor wrote: »

[...] Some companies who organise home deliveries- are planning to charge for any failed deliveries that do not feature an EIRCODE.

[...]

Would I start to charge them companies for ringing me for directions despite eircode given?

Calina

my3cents wrote: »

The only anomalies are that some people will see that they have been using the wrong postal address for years and have gotten away with it.

The postal address is often different to the actual address because of the way mail is delivered.

And this is actually a problem. The postal address and physical address should map up directly. I've lived in a bunch of other countries and nowhere was the postal address different to the physical address of the property.

I cannot believe anyone would defend the postal address being different to the physical address, but I've found a few of them in this country already. All the more so given that the vast majority of people might have naively assumed that their physical and postal address should normally be the same.

yacht2003

Does this quallify as an anomaly?
Eircode website says "All addresses will be assigned an Eircode which is attached to the address rather than the individual and it cannot be changed or personalised."
Eircode's developers(?) are Gamma/Addressfinder & have an address in D8 with an Eircode of
D08 XY00
...sure looks personalised to me...

mayway

yacht2003 wrote: »

Does this quallify as an anomaly?
Eircode website says "All addresses will be assigned an Eircode which is attached to the address rather than the individual and it cannot be changed or personalised."
Eircode's developers(?) are Gamma/Addressfinder & have an address in D8 with an Eircode of
D08 XY00
...sure looks personalised to me...

I'd like a personalised one. Surely there must be a way.

my3cents

mayway wrote: »

I'd like a personalised one. Surely there must be a way.

Of course there is, first find a house with an Eircode that is personalised for you then buy it and move :pac:

moyners

yacht2003 wrote: »

Does this quallify as an anomaly?
Eircode website says "All addresses will be assigned an Eircode which is attached to the address rather than the individual and it cannot be changed or personalised."
Eircode's developers(?) are Gamma/Addressfinder & have an address in D8 with an Eircode of
D08 XY00
...sure looks personalised to me...

Looks like someone fell to temptation. Not a great example to be setting when you've made a big deal out of not allowing personalisation.

marmurr1916

It's spelled anomalies.

GerardKeating

mayway wrote: »

As we all know the eircodes were launched yesterday. This thread can be used to highlight the anomalies that are being found.

Our company moved last year, but the db eircode have still show us at the old location, but the "eircode" letter still arrived at the new place today.

my3cents

GerardKeating wrote: »

Our company moved last year, but the db eircode have still show us at the old location, but the "eircode" letter still arrived at the new place today.

That sounds like a big failure of the postman to grasp the concept of delivering the eircode letters. I'm guessing the letter was delivered to the company and not the address on the letter?

The_Conductor

my3cents wrote: »

That sounds like a big failure of the postman to grasp the concept of delivering the eircode letters. I'm guessing the letter was delivered to the company and not the address on the letter?

Its not a failure on the part of the postman- if anything it highlights that the postman had the good sense to follow the address on the letter- and not the Eircode- which pointed to an entirely different (and no longer valid) address for the company........

An Post won that round.

my3cents

The_Conductor wrote: »

Its not a failure on the part of the postman- if anything it highlights that the postman had the good sense to follow the address on the letter- and not the Eircode- which pointed to an entirely different (and no longer valid) address for the company........

An Post won that round.

Not really because the postman could be disciplined for misdelivering the mail. The postmans job is to deliver the mail to the ADDRESS on the letter not the name. The only reason the eircode letters had any names on them at all was because that was the only way that the postman could deliver to non unique addresses.

If the companies address was non unique then fair enough but if it was unique then that was a fail.

SPDUB

The_Conductor wrote: »

Its not a failure on the part of the postman- if anything it highlights that the postman had the good sense to follow the address on the letter- and not the Eircode- which pointed to an entirely different (and no longer valid) address for the company........

An Post won that round.

Sounds like An Post lost that round

From what I heard redirections don't exist for eircodes so it's to the building indicated by the code and nowhere else even if the last occupants happened to move out the day before the postie got the letter to deliver .