Brits at it again....

Banjoxed

Oh noes, we'll all have to wear Union Jack knickers.








(not really)

seenitall

haveringchick wrote: »

But no British folk are to be found obsessing in a permanent state of comedic outrage about the Irish.
Thats just your thing.

My thing? :pac:

I'm not even Irish. (Or British.)

I just know a slyly implied appropriation when I see it.

Joeseph Balls

seenitall wrote: »

I just know a slyly implied appropriation when I see it.

Ah sure you've seenitall

Wright

Mightydrumming wrote: »

Grab a load of this bullsh!t :rolleyes:



http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/33497089

Quick English lesson here (since that is, ironically, what you are speaking). The 'or' suggests the U.K. has also never had a champion. There's no appropriation implied.

So, I have to ask; troll post or just racism dragging your I.Q. down?

dxhound2005

Wright wrote: »

Quick English lesson here (since that is, ironically, what you are speaking). The 'or' suggests the U.K. has also never had a champion. There's no appropriation implied.

So, I have to ask; troll post or just racism dragging your I.Q. down?

It's not racism. English or British is not a race. It's xenophobia.

anncoates

Tiocfaidh ár lá

Cold War Kid

eeguy wrote: »

If they don't have an Irish passport or parents from the ROI, then they're not Irish, at least not where there's a divide between being Irish or British.

McIlroy is British, and from Northern Ireland.

He's not Irish, unless you wish to call him Northern Irish

Someone from Northern Ireland can be Irish, British and Northern Irish.

Wright

Wright wrote: »

Quick English lesson here (since that is, ironically, what you are speaking). The 'or' suggests the U.K. has also never had a champion. There's no appropriation implied.

So, I have to ask; troll post or just racism dragging your I.Q. down?

I think that's a thread closing point, it being inarguable while destroying the premise of the OP.

seenitall

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that's a thread closing point, it being inarguable while destroying the premise of the OP.

The appropriation is implied and not direct; it is still there. You're free to disagree.

dd972

They're just stating the first champion from the ''British Isles'', another contentious term but it's largely used geographically, in the same sense that Scandinavia is apart from mainland Europe. We shouldn't be too precious about being lumped in together culturally.

The Adversary

Well, considering there's a country within the U.K located on the island of Ireland I reckon its fair enough.

Fratton Fred

The Irish would never, ever try and claim a brit is Irish.

Apart from Ed Sheeran and Jack Grealish.

Anyway, I'm off to grab a super Mac's from the Obama Plaza, anyone joining me?

Junkyard Tom

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This is what the BBC should have said. For their British audience. You know it makes sense.

McGregor, 26, won in Las Vegas to become the first UFC champion from the British Isles.

I don't really care about the quote in the OP fwiw but that would fucking annoy me because the implication is that Ireland is a British Isle, which it isn't.

endacl

Anyway. None of this answers the most pressing question. Now that the little fella's a champion, do the rest of us have to wear tweed and dickie bows, and get that ridiculous manbun?

cackhanded

I wouldn't worry too much, this is only a level 4 success for "the Brits".

Level 1: An English success (Tim Henman, Bradley Wiggins etc.) - the purest and best form of success, this is also applicable to team sports where some of the members may not exactly be 100% English (Eoin Morgan, Kevin Petersen, Mike Catt, John Barnes...)

Level 2: A British Success - This is used mainly when the individual involved is definitely Welsh or Scottish and cannot be claimed as English by even the most tenuous of links. Also applies to team sports where the Welsh or Scottish have won something (not very common).

Level 3: A UK success - A catch-all term which includes success for anyone from NI, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, or anyone who was born on the mainland but subsequently emigrated to any part of the world.

Level 4: A British Isles success - Used to describe an event where an Irish individual or team has achieved success but the vast majority of the population has no idea who that person is but they would love to celebrate that success appropriately (St Patrick's Day is the best analogy).


Given that the vast majority of the population aren't aware that Ireland is a separate country it's no surprise the BBC reported McGregor's win this way - they just want to celebrate a level 4 success without creating widespread confusion at the same time.

Putin

fleet_admiral wrote: »

They are welcome to him imo

You need to be careful, eating too many lemons can make you very bitter.

efb

Christ the Irish are always trying to claim Ed Sheeran, I think tubs was pestering him about it, and he didn't look amused.


Anyway Isn't it great the UK and Ireland have 3 TdF champions now!

efb

cackhanded wrote: »

I wouldn't worry too much, this is only a level 4 success for "the Brits".

Level 1: An English success (Tim Henman, Bradley Wiggins etc.) - the purest and best form of success, this is also applicable to team sports where some of the members may not exactly be 100% English (Eoin Morgan, Kevin Petersen, Mike Catt, John Barnes...)

Level 2: A British Success - This is used mainly when the individual involved is definitely Welsh or Scottish and cannot be claimed as English by even the most tenuous of links. Also applies to team sports where the Welsh or Scottish have won something (not very common).

Level 3: A UK success - A catch-all term which includes success for anyone from NI, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, or anyone who was born on the mainland but subsequently emigrated to any part of the world.

Level 4: A British Isles success - Used to describe an event where an Irish individual or team has achieved success but the vast majority of the population has no idea who that person is but they would love to celebrate that success appropriately (St Patrick's Day is the best analogy).


Given that the vast majority of the population aren't aware that Ireland is a separate country it's no surprise the BBC reported McGregor's win this way - they just want to celebrate a level 4 success without creating widespread confusion at the same time.

Yeah, the young tennis wan is from the Channel Isles, nearly beating Serena was a moderate Level 3

efb

endacl wrote: »

Anyway. None of this answers the most pressing question. Now that the little fella's a champion, do the rest of us have to wear tweed and dickie bows, and get that ridiculous manbun?

Isn't he like a Interim Champion, I thought Aldi was the main one?

efb

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Someone from Northern Ireland can be Irish, British and Northern Irish.

WTF is Northern Irish?

Nodin

The original article stated " Conor McGregor was "the first UFC Champion from the United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland",
They subsequently changed it.
http://entertainment.ie/man-cave/BBC-Sport-says-McGregor-is-the-first-UFC-Champion-from-the-United-Kingdom-and-Ireland/367543.htm

Juan8

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Why? He's a world champion UFC fighter. Whilet you may not like his persona it's all part of the game. Plus at the moment MMA is keeping a lot of young men away from drink and drugs and teaching them all about taking care of their own bodies and nutrition. Instead of spending their money on a couple of grams of coke on a Saturday they're spending it on gym membership and paleo food. A good portion of that is down to Conor McGregor.

I can't understand the Irish begrudgery

As for the op I don't think it's the usual claimed and I'd let them away with that one

Bit ironic as apparently he loves a couple grams himself

califano

Grab a load of this bullsh!t(Works both ways)

''Kathryn Nelson, from Athy, Co Kildare, went on a 56-day hunger strike to clear her name after she was accused of money laundering in what was then the largest bank robbery ever in Ireland or the UK.''
http://goo.gl/8gjikJ

Sunnyisland

Juan8 wrote: »

Bit ironic as apparently he loves a couple grams himself

Really ?

3DataModem

cackhanded wrote: »

I wouldn't worry too much, this is only a level 4 success for "the Brits".

Level 1: An English success (Tim Henman, Bradley Wiggins etc.) - the purest and best form of success, this is also applicable to team sports where some of the members may not exactly be 100% English (Eoin Morgan, Kevin Petersen, Mike Catt, John Barnes...)

Level 2: A British Success - This is used mainly when the individual involved is definitely Welsh or Scottish and cannot be claimed as English by even the most tenuous of links. Also applies to team sports where the Welsh or Scottish have won something (not very common).

Level 3: A UK success - A catch-all term which includes success for anyone from NI, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, or anyone who was born on the mainland but subsequently emigrated to any part of the world.

Level 4: A British Isles success - Used to describe an event where an Irish individual or team has achieved success but the vast majority of the population has no idea who that person is but they would love to celebrate that success appropriately (St Patrick's Day is the best analogy).


Given that the vast majority of the population aren't aware that Ireland is a separate country it's no surprise the BBC reported McGregor's win this way - they just want to celebrate a level 4 success without creating widespread confusion at the same time.

Isle of Man is NOT part of the UK

Riskymove

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I don't really care about the quote in the OP fwiw but that would fucking annoy me because the implication is that Ireland is a British Isle, which it isn't.

This is a good example, maybe the best, of the Irish inferiority complex with Britain.

it's a geological term for a set of islands (it includes the Isle of Man too)....It doesn't mean Britain owns all of them (even though at one point they did actually rule them)

We need to be able to let go a bit more frankly and be secure in who we are

Riskymove

Duck Soup wrote: »

Or to quote Brenda Fricker, "When you're winning an Oscar, you're British; when you're drunk at the airport, you're Irish."

see British Wimbledon Champion Andy Murray or Scottish Runner up Andy Murray in a similar way (see Alan Wells too)

Your Superior

Riskymove wrote: »

see British Wimbledon Champion Andy Murray or Scottish Runner up Andy Murray in a similar way (see Alan Wells too)

Which has never actually happened. Usual shiite coming from people with chips on their shoulder.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33481824

(Britain's Andy Murray after he lost...)

Sunnyisland

Riskymove wrote: »

This is a good example, maybe the best, of the Irish inferiority complex with Britain.

it's a geological term for a set of islands (it includes the Isle of Man too)....It doesn't mean Britain owns all of them (even though at one point they did actually rule them)

We need to be able to let go a bit more frankly and be secure in who we are

How is it an inferiority complex ? I am not British simple as, Conor MC Gregor is not Brittish simple as , the problem seems to be with the the Brittish media and others who still have thoughts of there controlling and ruling our Island .
Next sky news be saying he is from the home countries ...

Juan8

realies wrote: »

Really ?

What I've heard anyway

Riskymove

realies wrote: »

How is it an inferiority complex ? I am not British simple as, Conor MC Gregor is not Brittish simple as , the problem seems to be with the the Brittish media and others who still have thoughts of there controlling and ruling our Island .
Next sky news be saying he is from the home countries ...

Northern Ireland isn't in Britain either

The British Isles is simply a long standing term to describe the islands. It has no bearing on ownership or if Ireland is in Britain.

It is an inferiority complex if your so obsessed that any suggestion that you might be misconstrued by someone as being British causes such a negative reaction

Britain is not claiming McGregor either, so reading that into what was posted is also a symptom of the inferiority complex tbh

As mentioned Ireland has often claimed ownership of British people of Irish descent and I am not aware of any similar outrage over there.

Sunnyisland

Juan8 wrote: »

What I've heard anyway

Ah sure that's grand so, the dirty sniffling cocaine sniffing dirtbag, I am talking about the Pope as I heard he on it to...

kneemos

Juan8 wrote: »

What I've heard anyway

Link.

Jjiipp79

The Brits are the worst of the worst...

With Andy Murray, when he wins he is UK and when he loses he from Scotland.

Now with McGregor they are spouting this crap. God they love making themselves look like complete fools, and I love it.

This laughable stuff about the women's football.. I think in the US they are still laughing at the English.


Fools... Only the English could be so proud to lose...haha

cackhanded

3DataModem wrote: »

Isle of Man is NOT part of the UK

Neither are the Channel Islands. I think you missed the point.

IamtheWalrus

Embarrassing story. This underlines the inferiority complex the Irish have with the British.

IamtheWalrus

Riskymove wrote: »

This is a good example, maybe the best, of the Irish inferiority complex with Britain.

Agreed. Will it ever fecking end.

darkpagandeath

Geographic terms causing outrage....

Juan8

realies wrote: »

Ah sure that's grand so, the dirty sniffling cocaine sniffing dirtbag, I am talking about the Pope as I heard he on it to...

Well mates of mine know good mates of his who have said it so take it how you want, who'd you hear the pope was on it off?

inforfun

As an outsider i do think it is a bit odd: 1st from Ireland or the UK.

Just as weird as Dutch newspapers claiming a victory from some Arubian being the first for Aruba or The Netherlands.

darkpagandeath

inforfun wrote: »

As an outsider i do think it is a bit odd: 1st from Ireland or the UK.

Just as weird as Dutch newspapers claiming a victory from some Arubian being the first for Aruba or The Netherlands.

Why ? What's the full name of the UK ?

Fratton Fred

Jjiipp79 wrote: »

The Brits are the worst of the worst...

With Andy Murray, when he wins he is UK and when he loses he from Scotland.

Now with McGregor they are spouting this crap. God they love making themselves look like complete fools, and I love it.

This laughable stuff about the women's football.. I think in the US they are still laughing at the English.


Fools... Only the English could be so proud to lose...haha

Cough...Italia 90.....Cough.......

Jjiipp79

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Cough...Italia 90.....Cough.......

Cough...cough.... Everything england does.... Masters at losing. And they over hype the loss so everyone can have a good laugh. .

Your Superior

Jjiipp79 wrote: »

Cough...cough.... Everything england does.... Masters at losing. And they over hype the loss so everyone can have a good laugh. .

3rd in the Women's World Cup(best placed European team), Our highest ever medal tally in 2012 olympics, 2 tour de france winners, Wimbledon and US open tennis champion, countless major golf winners, numerous champions league winners, rugby union world cup winners, many world boxing champions.

And you have Italia 90, with an English manager and a half-British team, and now a world champion in a relatively new minority sport.

Easy to see where the bitterness comes from.

Oh, and here's a link http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33481824 talking about Britain's Andy Murray losing....

Fratton Fred

cackhanded wrote: »

I wouldn't worry too much, this is only a level 4 success for "the Brits".

Level 1: An English success (Tim Henman, Bradley Wiggins etc.) - the purest and best form of success, this is also applicable to team sports where some of the members may not exactly be 100% English (Eoin Morgan, Kevin Petersen, Mike Catt, John Barnes...)

Level 2: A British Success - This is used mainly when the individual involved is definitely Welsh or Scottish and cannot be claimed as English by even the most tenuous of links. Also applies to team sports where the Welsh or Scottish have won something (not very common).

Level 3: A UK success - A catch-all term which includes success for anyone from NI, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, or anyone who was born on the mainland but subsequently emigrated to any part of the world.

Level 4: A British Isles success - Used to describe an event where an Irish individual or team has achieved success but the vast majority of the population has no idea who that person is but they would love to celebrate that success appropriately (St Patrick's Day is the best analogy).


Given that the vast majority of the population aren't aware that Ireland is a separate country it's no surprise the BBC reported McGregor's win this way - they just want to celebrate a level 4 success without creating widespread confusion at the same time.

I would really love to see some examples of this.

A quick read of a few BBC reports shows Tim Henmen rarely referred to as English, whereas Andy Murray is called Scottish far more often than British.

I'd also like to know how you would describe the one day cricket series win over New Zealand, if the team called England, wearing English emblems on their shirts and playing at home, in English cricket grounds, weren't actually England.

Your Superior

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I would really love to see some examples of this.

A quick read of a few BBC reports shows Tim Henmen rarely referred to as English, whereas Andy Murray is called Scottish far more often than British.

I'd also like to know how you would describe the one day cricket series win over New Zealand, if the team called England, wearing English emblems on their shirts and playing at home, in English cricket grounds, weren't actually England.

Ah shur, but in Italia 90 they were all around upstanding Irishmen, not a Brit among them.... Same goes for the rugby union team, those fellas are only pretending to be Australian or South African, they were all reared in Connacht.

Fratton Fred

inforfun wrote: »

As an outsider i do think it is a bit odd: 1st from Ireland or the UK.

Just as weird as Dutch newspapers claiming a victory from some Arubian being the first for Aruba or The Netherlands.

Is Dutch TV the main news source in Aruba?

Riskymove

Your Superior wrote: »

Ah shur, but in Italia 90 they were all around upstanding Irishmen, not a Brit among them.... Same goes for the rugby union team, those fellas are only pretending to be Australian or South African, they were all reared in Connacht.

we are also supplying some members of the English Cricket team!

inforfun

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why ? What's the full name of the UK ?

I dont know why.
The guy is Irish so he is the first from Ireland doing it.

Dont see the point in adding the "or the Uk" part.
Would have made more sense, if he had been the first from Europe, to write: 1st from Ireland or Europa. Since he is Irish and is European.

I have not nor am i going to lose sleep over it, just find it odd.

Not sure why you ask me what the full name of the UK is, I think you know that yourself.

inforfun

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Is Dutch TV the main news source in Aruba?

Probably not.
Is the BBC the main news source in Ireland?