Brits at it again....

Mightydrumming

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Pretty poor attempt at claiming he is British.

Eh, I don't think you have read the thread.

The editor said the following :

McGregor, 26, won in Las Vegas to become the first UFC champion from the Republic of Ireland and United Kingdom.

He then edited it to say :

McGregor, 26, won in Las Vegas to become the first UFC champion from the Republic of Ireland or United Kingdom.

Fratton Fred

citytillidie wrote: »

He has only been British when losing since he won a grad slam

http://www.themediablog.co.uk/the-media-blog/2010/01/does-andy-murray-really-win-british-but-lose-scottish.html

The origins of this fallacy go back to Murray being asked who he was supporting in the works cup, to which he replied whoever England are playing.

I think it was the Sun that responded with the statement that he is only British when winning but Scottish when losing. Something that is said in jest, but in reality doesn't happen.

But, of course, as this thread shows, facts should never get in the way of a bit of Brit/English bashing.

Fratton Fred

Mightydrumming wrote: »

Eh, I don't think you have read the thread.

The editor said the following :

He then edited it to say :

The first line clearly calls him Irish. How is that claiming him as British?

languagenerd

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The first line clearly calls him Irish. How is that claiming him as British?

The first version originally said "the first champion from the United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland", as if he were a dual citizen, or the 2 places were the same.

They've changed it a couple of times now.

Fratton Fred

riffmongous wrote: »

Oh yeah it's definitely England of course (or is it technically England and Wales ), I just meant that there's a few issues with the english cricket team itself at the moment. Now Ireland does the same and some of our best players were just Aussie/SA ex-pats, but Ireland only has a fraction of the player base and infrastructure

Cricket rules are pretty fluid, as are Rugby's. Should a player like Morgan not get a shot at playing a full series against top teams? I think he should, but it would be nice to see him return to Ireland in the next couple of years and use his experience to benefit Irish cricket.

It is the England and Wales cricket board, which is represented by the England team. There is also a Welsh team that plays minor counties I think, but top Welsh players, such as Simon Jones and Robert Croft would play for England.

Fratton Fred

languagenerd wrote: »

The first version originally said "the first champion from the United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland", as if he were a dual citizen, or the 2 places were the same.

They've changed it a couple of times now.

Yes, but did they change the first line as well?

Sunnyisland

Juan8 wrote: »

Well mates of mine know good mates of his who have said it so take it how you want, who'd you hear the pope was on it off?

Bloke from the church

riffmongous

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Cricket rules are pretty fluid, as are Rugby's. Should a player like Morgan not get a shot at playing a full series against top teams? I think he should, but it would be nice to see him return to Ireland in the next couple of years and use his experience to benefit Irish cricket.

It is the England and Wales cricket board, which is represented by the England team. There is also a Welsh team that plays minor counties I think, but top Welsh players, such as Simon Jones and Robert Croft would play for England.

Well Ireland technically have access to full (ODI) series already, although the only team willing to play us in more than a token gesture is Pakistan. And if our best players keep getting lost to England we'll never be strong enough to get longer series which is the big problem. Fair enough when it comes to test cricket though.

I didnt know there was a Welsh team, I just knew of Glamorgan at county level

Dirty Dingus McGee

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

Another overreaction from Irish fans.

What they meant was that McGregor was the first person from either Ireland or the UK to win the UFC.

Given that the UK and Ireland share a common language, timezone, climate, not to mention the huge population of Irish-born people living in Great Britain - 584,118 as of 2011, which is more than the entire population of Connaught (542,547) - only hypersensitive whingers would complain about Irish and British athletes being compared to one another.

If anything, this was even MORE complimentary to McGregor, saying he wasn't just the first of a population of 4.7 million (Ireland), he was the first of a population of 68.8 million (Ireland and the UK) to win it.

Get over it!

Why did they have to mention the UK at all?

It was like the nonsense a while back about Robbie Keane becoming the highest scoring international soccer player from Ireland and The UK combined.Why didn't they add in Holland,Belgium,Denmark,Sweden etc. to that stat aswell.

languagenerd

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Yes, but did they change the first line as well?

Not sure. But phrasing it that way makes it sound like Ireland is equivalent to Scotland or Wales.

Like I said, I don't find it offensive - though it would make me roll my eyes or raise an eyebrow if someone that to me. I'd expect more from the BBC though. No wonder so many people don't realise Ireland is a separate country!

Niemoj

The amount of edits they've done and people still aren't happy.

Fratton Fred

languagenerd wrote: »

Not sure. But phrasing it that way makes it sound like Ireland is equivalent to Scotland or Wales.

Like I said, I don't find it offensive - though it would make me roll my eyes or raise an eyebrow if someone that to me. I'd expect more from the BBC though. No wonder so many people don't realise Ireland is a separate country!

Does it not make his achievement seem even greater though?

He was the first from Ireland (big deal, only four to five million people there) or the UK (ooh, the first out of a total of 70 million people, mighty impressive).

But, the opening sentence clearly calls him Irish, so it is unlikely Keale services will be changing its name to McGregor Plaza any time soon.

languagenerd

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Does it not make his achievement seem even greater though?

He was the first from Ireland (big deal, only four to five million people there) or the UK (ooh, the first out of a total of 70 million people, mighty impressive).

But, the opening sentence clearly calls him Irish, so it is unlikely Keale services will be changing its name to McGregor Plaza any time soon.

Except he's not the first out of 70million people.
Those 70million still haven't won the title :P Just a bit cheeky on their part to phrase it that way! Something like "McGregor is the first champion from the Republic of Ireland to win the title, which has never been won by a British competitor" might have been more true, but they don't wanna admit that.

But again, it's not worth the "outrage", they're just being cheeky.

Fratton Fred

languagenerd wrote: »

Except he's not the first out of 70million people.
Those 70million still haven't won the title :P Just a bit cheeky on their part to phrase it that way! Something like "McGregor is the first champion from the Republic of Ireland to win the title, which has never been won by a British competitor" might have been more true, but they don't wanna admit that.

But again, it's not worth the "outrage", they're just being cheeky.

I guarantee you, that someone would get outraged by that.

Hermy

The Cunning Linguist wrote: »

I hate the Brit rags claiming any of our successful sportsmen and women as their own just as much as the next man, but I don't think that's what they did in this case.

I'd prefer if he wasn't claimed as a sportsman.

Mightydrumming

Hermy wrote: »

I'd prefer if he wasn't claimed as a sportsman.

Why's that?

Hermy

Mightydrumming wrote: »

Why's that?

Because I don't view fighting as a sport.

liam24

Hermy wrote: »

Because I don't view fighting as a sport.

You're the first person I've come across. who doesn't think Muhammad Ali is a sportsman.

Hermy

liam24 wrote: »

You're the first person I've come across. who doesn't think Muhammad Ali is a sportsman.

I never said anything about Ali but times change and peoples views of what is and isn't sport change with it.
Some events which were once viewed as sport are now seen as barbaric.
And a lot of modern events are pharmacology contests or business ventures and have very little to do with sport.

Fratton Fred

Hermy wrote: »

Because I don't view fighting as a sport.

I would consider Judo or boxing to be a sport. Wrestling has become a kids show and MMA looks a bit like gay porn.

Rough Sleeper

Fratton Fred wrote: »

MMA looks a bit like gay porn.

Is there not some rule stating that you're supposed to be thirteen or over to go on boards.ie? Think you're in line for a ban here.

Mightydrumming

Fratton Fred wrote: »

MMA looks a bit like gay porn.

I'd love to see you say that face to face to a mixed martial artist

Hermy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I would consider Judo or boxing to be a sport. Wrestling has become a kids show and MMA looks a bit like gay porn.

If you mean American professional wrestling then that was never a sport - it's a soap opera.

Hermy

Mightydrumming wrote: »

I'd love to see you say that face to face to a mixed martial artist

Why? Cause he'd kick the crap out of him? How very sporting!

Mightydrumming

Hermy wrote: »

Why? Cause he'd kick the crap out of him? How very sporting!

I suppose you also share the same opinion?

wp_rathead

Hermy wrote: »

Because I don't view fighting as a sport.

fighting is the oldest sport in the world

Hermy

Mightydrumming wrote: »

I suppose you also share the same opinion?

I have no idea what gay porn looks like.:eek:

AllGunsBlazing

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The Irish would never, ever try and claim a brit is Irish.

Apart from Ed Sheeran and Jack Grealish.

Anyway, I'm off to grab a super Mac's from the Obama Plaza, anyone joining me?

Ed Sheeran?!!!:eek:


No thanks.

Junkyard Tom

Riskymove wrote: »

This is a good example, maybe the best, of the Irish inferiority complex with Britain.

Speak for yourself. I don't feel inferior to British people at all. Where did you earn your degree in Social Psychology? The University of Muppetry?

it's a geological term for a set of islands (it includes the Isle of Man too)....It doesn't mean Britain owns all of them (even though at one point they did actually rule them)

It's an antiquated term that harks back to when Britain did rule Ireland and many of us reject its validity. Even the British themselves are careful about using it which is why they refer to the 'British and Irish Lions' when describing the Rugby team that draws on players from both regions.

We need to be able to let go a bit more frankly and be secure in who we are

As I've already said - speak for yourself. I'm perfectly comfortable with my Irish nationality.

riffmongous

Hermy wrote: »

I have no idea what gay porn looks like.:eek:

Something like this https://ohsnapson.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/jiujitsu.jpg?w=720