Would you work somewhere without sick pay?

FrStone

We were discussing this in work recently. A colleagues husband turned down a job with a company as he found out they didn't pay sick leave.

We have sick pay in my place and to be honest while I've only ever used it for two days, I wouldn't be happy to work somewhere without it. The thought of your pay being docked if you were out for a day with a cold. It probably encourages people to come in too, who should be at home and pass their sickness around the place.

Obviously it's one less worry if I was to ever develop a serious illness and be out for a few months that I would still be paid.

Dravokivich

Sick Pay? Well for some.

Menas

I did once- but was getting a very decent daily rate at the time. I rarely take a sickday to be honest. When you dont get paid for a sickday it motivates you to get in to the office no matter how bad you are. But then everyone does that and bugs spread round the office.

But now, I need all the sick pay I can get!

duffman13

We have sick pay but it doesn't influence if I go to work or not. Haven't had a sick day and would only ever not go to work if I was in ribbons. I wouldn't mind working somewhere that in order for sickness to be paid it needed to be certified. Too many people in my place use their sick days like additional annual leave.

Slippin Jimmy

FrStone wrote: »

The thought of your pay being docked if you were out for a day with a cold.

This is why some places won't pay for sick days. People would just abuse the system completely.

It would be a factor to consider when choosing a job.

Little CuChulainn

FrStone wrote: »

It probably encourages people to come in too, who should be at home and pass their sickness around the place.

This is the main reason for sick pay as far as I'm concerned, especially in somewhere like a hospital or Garda station. One person not staying home with something like a flu can cause a lot of damage.

As those of us who are self employed scratch our heads at the idea of getting paid while not working...

FrStone

Slippin Jimmy wrote: »

This is why some places won't pay for sick days. People would just abuse the system completely.

It would be a factor to consider when choosing a job.

I'm not gonna come in and give everyone else a cold too. There is nothing more inconsiderate than people trying to be a martyr and coming into work and passing their germs around.

Sam Kade

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

This is the main reason for sick pay as far as I'm concerned, especially in somewhere like a hospital or Garda station. One person not staying home with something like a flu can cause a lot of damage.

If they had the flu they wouldn't be able to get out of bed A head cold shouldn't stop you from working.

kneemos

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As those of us who are self employed scratch our heads at the idea of getting paid while not working...

And the rest of us scratch our heads at all your dubious tax breaks

NachoBusiness

Bet all the young folk with their cool lingo read the thread title and assumed you meant 'serious amount of wedge' when you said 'sick' pay.

kneemos

kneemos wrote: »

And the rest of us scratch our heads at all your dubious tax breaks

Please tell me more. What are the dubious tax breaks I should avail of?

Sam Kade

Deleted User wrote: »

Please tell me more. What are the dubious tax breaks I should avail of?

It's his imagination, he believes everyone else is better off than him. Or else he believes tax planning is against the law silly man.

uck51js9zml2yt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Please tell me more. What are the dubious tax breaks I should avail of?

They must be envious of the non payment of social welfare if you're ever not working.

The Backwards Man

Never even worked anywhere with the glorious fancy notions of holiday pay, overtime, maternity pay, or bank holidays in lieu either, and never employed anyone that had them notions. Pay a good wage for a good day's work instead, everybody is much happier.

nokia69

its been close to 10 years since I had a sick day, so I don't need sick pay

some people I work with can't go more than 2 weeks without calling in sick

jimmycrackcorm

Deleted User wrote:

Please tell me more. What are the dubious tax breaks I should avail of?

I suppose your mobile phone bill is not an expense then.

TwoShedsJackson

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Never even worked anywhere with the glorious fancy notions of holiday pay, overtime, maternity pay, or bank holidays in lieu either, and never employed anyone that had them notions. Pay a good wage for a good day's work instead, everybody is much happier.

Employees are entitled to 3 out of the 4 of those by law. Whether or not they take them is between them and their employer.

The Backwards Man

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Employees are entitled to 3 out of the 4 of those by law. Whether or not they take them is between them and their employer.

Never ever employ anyone who is familiar with the word 'entitled'

Banjo String

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I suppose your mobile phone bill is not an expense then.

I have the one phone which I use for work almost exclusively. I spend 70% of my working week on site with customers, so it's a necessity. Usually about 60-80 per month.

Lavish I tells ya.

DaveWalsh2020

Sorry but there s no tax breaks...

Sorry but there s no grants

Sorry no sick pay Sorry no holiday pay

Sorry no holidays.

Just lots and lots off hard work and if the reward is there. You ve earned it.

TwoShedsJackson

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Never ever employ anyone who is familiar with the word 'entitled'

I had a feeling you were going to come back with something like that.

The Backwards Man

My phone bill is 19 odd per month.

*sent from my S6 in The Bahamas*

rob316

I've been in jobs where the sick pay system was totally abused. Take a week off get a doctors note and you doesn't loose a penny basically lads topping up there holiday days.

I myself will always go to work no matter how bad I am, I would go home however if I couldn't work.

Working since I was 15, I think I took one sick day ever and I was in hospital the day before.

wyndham

Banjo String wrote: »

I have the one phone which I use for work almost exclusively. I spend 70% of my working week on site with customers, so it's a necessity. Usually about 60-80 per month.

Lavish I tells ya.

You should switch to 3 SIM only. €20 + VAT per month for unlimited everything. Minimum of 2 phones though.

DeanAustin

FrStone wrote: »

We were discussing this in work recently. A colleagues husband turned down a job with a company as he found out they didn't pay sick leave.

We have sick pay in my place and to be honest while I've only ever used it for two days, I wouldn't be happy to work somewhere without it. The thought of your pay being docked if you were out for a day with a cold. It probably encourages people to come in too, who should be at home and pass their sickness around the place.

Obviously it's one less worry if I was to ever develop a serious illness and be out for a few months that I would still be paid.

Anyone who doesn't come to work because of a cold should be shot with balls of their own sh1t.

Jawgap

Worked in the public sector until last year and had sick pay (used it once in 12 years).

I couldn't honestly tell if my current employer pays if I become sick - which is a way of saying it wasn't a factor when deciding to come work for them.

I do, however, pay income continuance insurance just in case something really nasty happens

TwoShedsJackson

DeanAustin wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't come to work because of a cold should be shot with balls of their own sh1t.

What about someone who does come in and spreads it around the place?

Jawgap

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

What about someone who does come in and spreads it around the place?

.....or the people who think what they have is a cold starting but it turns out to be flu, which they then spread around the place

DeanAustin

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

What about someone who does come in and spreads it around the place?

This gets overstated.

Anyway a head cold never killed anyone.

DeanAustin

Jawgap wrote: »

.....or the people who think what they have is a cold starting but it turns out to be flu, which they then spread around the place

So many things are called "the flu" that are no such thing.

Christ, we are a nation of fannies.

fullstop

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I suppose your mobile phone bill is not an expense then.

Well I imagine people need to be contactable during work hours. How do you propose cutting this expense...carrier pigeon?

K.Flyer

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I suppose your mobile phone bill is not an expense then.

Is that the best you could come up with :rolleyes:

Jawgap

DeanAustin wrote: »

So many things are called "the flu" that are no such thing.

Christ, we are a nation of fannies.

Not really, I worked in a job previously were you spent 3/4 hour stretches wearing a respirator - impossible if you had any kind of bronchial illness, plus pretty dangerous for everyone else in the team if one person, literally, can't pull their own weight.

muboop1

Before 2 years ago, I had never taken more then maybe one sick day a year. So didn't think much on it.

Then I had a serious accident playing sports and was in hospital for 2 months. And the rehab plus slow introduction back into work was tough. If I hadn't gotten sick pay... I don't know what I would have done.

I will always consider it in any future jobs.

But I detest those who abuse, as it can often force employers to not have it.

DeanAustin

Jawgap wrote: »

Not really, I worked in a job previously were you spent 3/4 hour stretches wearing a respirator - impossible if you had any kind of bronchial illness, plus pretty dangerous for everyone else in the team if one person, literally, can't pull their own weight.

You what?

swimming in a sea

My job has uncertified sick leave for up to two days, amazing how many two day sicknesses some get. I've been with the company for over 2 years and have not had a sick day so if I could get a raise and take away the sick days I'd gladly do it.

Jawgap

DeanAustin wrote: »

You what?

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand - if you're wearing a resp your breathing is already constricted - if you're suffering from even a mild cold, your congestion further constricts your breathing.

If your 'buddy' goes down or there's a requirement to evac the space and you are not capable of looking after yourself, then some else has to, in other words you become a liability just because you decided not to be a fanny and declare yourself unfit for work

Xaracatz

People who justify sick days when they have the sniffles always use the excuse that it's better than coming in and spreading it around.

Here - it's not like their co-workers are licking them.

In my job, the entire team in my department (about 20 people) have probably 3 sick days between them all year. Probably because we have a great team, and really good management. We'll go in because we want to do our job. It would take a hell of a lot for me to call in sick. And, if I really couldn't make it in (which happened once) I can work from home.

But, in saying that, I took plenty of "sick" days in my first job, which I hated and dreaded. So, if employees are routinely taking time off like this - it might be worth looking at the work / atmosphere, and figuring out if there's a reason that they're looking for excuses not to come in, rather than enjoying and getting satisfaction from their work.

DeanAustin

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand - if you're wearing a resp your breathing is already constricted - if you're suffering from even a mild cold, your congestion further constricts your breathing.

If your 'buddy' goes down or there's a requirement to evac the space and you are not capable of looking after yourself, then some else has to, in other words you become a liability just because you decided not to be a fanny and declare yourself unfit for work

Understand the first half of this and have yet to encounter it in the workplace.

I've no idea what you're talking about after that.

monkeysnapper

nokia69 wrote: »

its been close to 10 years since I had a sick day, so I don't need sick pay

some people I work with can't go more than 2 weeks without calling in sick

I'm the same friend..... Some people are survivors and others victims .

Menas

It does surprise me that the average number of sick days in the private sector in ireland is 6. That seems high to me.

Dr conrad murray

my company copy the social welfare by not paying sickpay for the first 6 days of any illness. very rare that anyone is out sick where I work.

I have sick days but I would most likely just "work" from home if sick rather than go getting it put down as a sick day. Obviously if I was out longer than a day or two it would be different.

Sam Kade

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

What about someone who does come in and spreads it around the place?

Jawgap wrote: »

.....or the people who think what they have is a cold starting but it turns out to be flu, which they then spread around the place

Lame excuses to get days off work.

Sam Kade

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand - if you're wearing a resp your breathing is already constricted - if you're suffering from even a mild cold, your congestion further constricts your breathing.

If your 'buddy' goes down or there's a requirement to evac the space and you are not capable of looking after yourself, then some else has to, in other words you become a liability just because you decided not to be a fanny and declare yourself unfit for work

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now, where do you work a nuclear power plant?

Jawgap

Sam Kade wrote: »

Lame excuses to get days off work.

Except my attendance at work for the last 25 years has been exemplary

Jawgap

Sam Kade wrote: »

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now, where do you work a nuclear power plant?

No, it was when I was pm'ing factory refits.

Sick pay has never been relevant to me when applying for or accepting a job offer!

Employers don't like to hear, "I would like to know if I will get paid when out sick?"

"NEXT"

Little CuChulainn

DeanAustin wrote: »

This gets overstated.

Anyway a head cold never killed anyone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324793/Danielle-Brooker-dies-common-cold-virus-causes-fatal-brain-infection.html

At best you are being self centred by not caring if you infect others. Maybe they are very unlikely to die but you will still cause them a lot of discomfort for a few days and what right have you to do that?

Lia_lia

Some people I work really abuse the sick pay system. They see them as holidays!

I've taken one sick day off in my life, had a vomiting bug. And even at that I rang my manager to say sorry because I felt bad