Would you work somewhere without sick pay?

jimgoose

Short answer, no. I'm too old for that shiz-nit.

il gatto

The Corinthian wrote: »

Whatever. Your posts speak for themselves; bellyaching and absolutely no constructive advice. And the moment you hear something that you disliked, not to mention misinterpreted, you got personal almost immediately.

So it's not fixed because it's fixed in favour of some rather than being fixed against others? Right.

Misinterpreted? You left no space for that. You were quite succinct in blaming the individual themselves.
And again, I said it's "not fixed against me", personally. I'm not factored into anything. It's just a system open to abuse. Again, this would be one of nuances you seem unable to grasp.
Your advice was not constructive. It was an ill mannered harangue at people who haven't the, I don't know, qualities? that you ascribe yourself, to change their situation.
Pointing out arrogance or a HR system routinely being abused is bellyaching? Quite the totalitarian society you must desire if such mild criticism stings so badly.

The Corinthian

il gatto wrote: »

Misinterpreted? You left no space for that. You were quite succinct in blaming the individual themselves.
And again, I said it's "not fixed against me", personally. I'm not factored into anything. It's just a system open to abuse. Again, this would be one of nuances you seem unable to grasp.
Your advice was not constructive. It was an ill mannered harangue at people who haven't the, I don't know, qualities? that you ascribe yourself, to change their situation.
Pointing out arrogance or a HR system routinely being abused is bellyaching? Quite the totalitarian society you must desire if such mild criticism stings so badly.

Are you still bellyaching?

il gatto

The Corinthian wrote: »

Are you still bellyaching?

That certainly told me. You declared it bellyaching because you disagree. And you have the cheek to tell people to grow up. I was busy. Came back to see not only are you obnoxious but you need the last word like a child.

Wompa1

I'm working for a hospital at the moment. I haven't taken any sicks days and I have been sick twice. I probably should have taken the sick days but I'm a contractor and they don't pay for my sicks days. I also don't get paid for holidays. Standard contracting stuff.

On the plus side, once I hit my 8 hours for the day. I'm out the door! I can also work multiple jobs

il gatto

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm working for a hospital at the moment. I haven't taken any sicks days and I have been sick twice. I probably should have taken the sick days but I'm a contractor and they don't pay for my sicks days. I also don't get paid for holidays. Standard contracting stuff.

On the plus side, once I hit my 8 hours for the day. I'm out the door! I can also work multiple jobs

It's becoming the norm rather than the exception. I have had jobs with and without sick pay. Seems to be less common now. Thankfully I've only taken 2.5 days in almost 20 years. That's just luck really. Never had much serious and flus etc. seemed to happen on days off (the worst of them anyway).
Working for contractors is tough because their profit is a straight tally between what they get for you and what they give you. Like all business really but it's a very simple one to see how a few snips make the difference compared to upping productivity of minimising wastage etc. in other jobs.

Wompa1

il gatto wrote: »

It's becoming the norm rather than the exception. I have had jobs with and without sick pay. Seems to be less common now. Thankfully I've only taken 2.5 days in almost 20 years. That's just luck really. Never had much serious and flus etc. seemed to happen on days off (the worst of them anyway).
Working for contractors is tough because their profit is a straight tally between what they get for you and what they give you. Like all business really but it's a very simple one to see how a few snips make the difference compared to upping productivity of minimising wastage etc. in other jobs.

I'm in the US, living in a right to work state. You can be fired at any time without severance. Legally, an employer doesn't have to give you paid time off if that's what you agree to in your terms of employment. There's also no minimum for Maternity leave. Here, it's typical that If you've been with a company for 2 years or more, you get 6 weeks maternity leave here. If you've been there for less than 2 years you only get 2 weeks! AND that's just employers trying to seem nice. Legally, they don't have to give a woman any paid time off for it.

The Backwards Man

SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »

Never ever work for an employer who ignores labour law

The best employers I ever had wouldn't know labour law if it bit them on the ass, the worst knew it to the letter.;)

il gatto

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm in the US, living in a right to work state. You can be fired at any time without severance. Legally, an employer doesn't have to give you paid time off if that's what you agree to in your terms of employment. There's also no minimum for Maternity leave. Here, it's typical that If you've been with a company for 2 years or more, you get 6 weeks maternity leave here. If you've been there for less than 2 years you only get 2 weeks! AND that's just employers trying to seem nice. Legally, they don't have to give a woman any paid time off for it.

The US is very poor on employment law. The unions ripped the p1ss in the 70s and since the decline in industry it's an employers market. The fact that both parties are right of centre and heavily funded by industry and business means it'll stay that way too.

il gatto

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The best employers I ever had wouldn't know labour law if it bit them on the ass, the worst knew it to the letter.;)

So true. Nicest people I worked for were just nice people. The ones who bring in Peninsula to write up detailed handbooks and contracts tend to be the ones that'll shaft their employees given half a chance.

Greenmachine

I have never worked a job with sick pay. Only place I ever worked that had it only applied it after their probationary period. Then the entitlement was 3 day in a year. Numerous people got disciplinary for being sick too much. The ridiculous thing was, that it was down to back injury people received for ridiculous work practices. Obviously not going to identify that particular employer.

Jawgap

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm in the US, living in a right to work state. You can be fired at any time without severance. Legally, an employer doesn't have to give you paid time off if that's what you agree to in your terms of employment. There's also no minimum for Maternity leave. Here, it's typical that If you've been with a company for 2 years or more, you get 6 weeks maternity leave here. If you've been there for less than 2 years you only get 2 weeks! AND that's just employers trying to seem nice. Legally, they don't have to give a woman any paid time off for it.

I worked in the a States for a couple of years and it is a huge culture shock - people doing the same jobs on wildly different conditions! On the plus side, I was quite young so was happy to work silly hours for minimal benefits and decent money!

Even the leave we did get, we weren't expected to take.

il gatto

Jawgap wrote: »

I worked in the a States for a couple of years and it is a huge culture shock - people doing the same jobs on wildly different conditions! On the plus side, I was quite young so was happy to work silly hours for minimal benefits and decent money!

Even the leave we did get, we weren't expected to take.

There's good money to be made but you really do work for it. I know many people who held down 2 or 3 jobs over there. It's a different culture alright.

Galwayguy35

Never worked anywhere where there was sick pay, always worked in low paid manual labour jobs, no fancy benefits in that kind of work.

bolopapa

We don't do no sick pay without doctors report. You don't have one, you don't get paid simple!!

il gatto

bolopapa wrote: »

We don't do no sick pay without doctors report. You don't have one, you don't get paid simple!!

I think that's fair enough. It's there if you need it but makes it hard to abuse it. Most people would be alright with that.

Little CuChulainn

bolopapa wrote: »

We don't do no sick pay without doctors report. You don't have one, you don't get paid simple!!

I think that's a poor decision if you apply it to one or two days. You're basically saying if you want to be off sick you better make it for a few days or it's not worth your while. Going to the doctor for one day off is a zero sum game for many people. They'll either come in to work or get the extra few days off. Either way, what may have only been one day of lost productivity for one employee is either a week off for them or a few days for other employees when they catch it.

lanos

Deleted User wrote: »

As those of us who are self employed scratch our heads at the idea of getting paid while not working...

and those of us on PAYE scratch our heads at the level of tax and other deductions we pay every month.

and we scratch our heads when the friendly local plumber gives a sly wink when he asks if we need a VAT receipt before he tells us how much the job will cost

Wompa1

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm in the US, living in a right to work state. You can be fired at any time without severance. Legally, an employer doesn't have to give you paid time off if that's what you agree to in your terms of employment. There's also no minimum for Maternity leave. Here, it's typical that If you've been with a company for 2 years or more, you get 6 weeks maternity leave here. If you've been there for less than 2 years you only get 2 weeks! AND that's just employers trying to seem nice. Legally, they don't have to give a woman any paid time off for it.

I wouldn't work under conditions like that. Id rather a secure job, plenty of annual leave, sick pay, normal working hours etc and earn less. At the the end of the day their might not even be that much difference as if you take some unpaid time off its bringing down your average earnings, get sick for a while and can't work you are in bother etc.

I have to say I really dislike the American attitude to work and conditions.