Day of Days

Heckler

The day thousands upon thousands of young men threw themselves against Hitlers Atlantic Wall to free Europe from Nazism.

I've never served but have been to Normandy a couple of times for the celebrations and as the last survivors of D-Day near their end years I hope their sacrifice and that of their fallen comrades is never forgotten.

Banjo String

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2svmUcsKeg

Mr. Incognito

Oh not this **** again.

Go to bed.

Heckler

Well done. You found a song to go with the thread title. How clever of you.

Heckler

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Oh not this **** again.

Go to bed.

Is it so bad once a year to recognise what some people did ? Your "go to bed" is condesending to say the least.

john the one

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Oh not this **** again.

Go to bed.

Have you never played wolfentein??

SEPT 23 1989

we can never repay the debt to those terrified kids who headed onto those beaches facing death head on

Arsemageddon

Heckler wrote: »

Is it so bad once a year to recognise what some people did ?

Yep, I think we should all take this opportunity to thank you for having watched Band of Brothers. You are an inspiration to us all.

Mr. Incognito

Heckler wrote: »

Is it so bad once a year to recognise what some people did ? Your "go to bed" is condesending to say the least.

Apologies if i come across as condacending. A seventy year old celebration of mass organised murder of teenagers on beaches in France is as far removed from my daily life as octumus primes porn stash. I feel no need to engage in this nonsensical annual propoganda ****.

I could argue Europe sewed the seeds for nazism by apportioning all the blame and repayments on germany after world war 1.

I could argue the blanket incineration of civilian populations across europe and japan during the latter stages of world war 2 was excessive, unnecessary and a war crime.

I could argue that the rise of the right in europe now is as a direct result of this nationalist rampant jingoistic dumbing down missing the irony of repeating fascisms jingoistic dumbing down that led to ww2.

Instead i say go to bed because your cheerleading just sounds pathetic and childish to me.

Sorry for the offence.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Hitler did nothing wrong

buried

Heckler wrote: »

Is it so bad once a year to recognise what some people did ?

Yeah, fair play to them and what they did, but in all fairness and reality, they are all probably spinning in their graves at the fact we are all under the thumb of the German money machine now anyways so what did it matter, or even f**king mean?

Heckler

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Yep, I think we should all take this opportunity to thank you for having watched Band of Brothers. You are an inspiration to us all.

I have no idea what your problem is. All I was doing was recognising what happened 71 years ago today. Whats your problem with that ?

ThinkProgress

We should declare war on germany! Just for the craic like. See if they actually took us seriously!

War looked like so much fun... adventure, excitement, legal killing etc.

What is our generation's war? We live in such boring times...

Mr. Incognito

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Hitler did nothing wrong

To be fair he killed hitler

Junkyard Tom

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

we can never repay the debt to those terrified kids who headed onto those beaches facing death head on

We can try by not having it happen ever again.

Samaris

ThinkProgress wrote: »

We should declare war on germany! Just for the craic like. See if they actually took us seriously!

War looked like so much fun... adventure, excitement, legal killing etc.

What is our generation's war? We live in such boring times...

ISIS. Wanna sign up to go fight them?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

It all depends in what light you look at it really

https://youtu.be/XZP5RsaRg6k

ThinkProgress

Samaris wrote: »

ISIS. Wanna sign up to go fight them?

It's just not the same though, is it... Like going to the FAI cup final instead of the world cup final.

Those soldiers took this generation's world wars!!

Shame on them for being so greedy! :pac:

Heckler

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Apologies if i come across as condacending. A seventy year old celebration of mass organised murder of teenagers on beaches in France is as far removed from my daily life as octumus primes porn stash. I feel no need to engage in this nonsensical annual propoganda ****.

I could argue Europe sewed the seeds for nazism by apportioning all the blame and repayments on germany after world war 1.

I could argue the blanket incineration of civilian populations across europe and japan during the latter stages of world war 2 was excessive, unnecessary and a war crime.

I could argue that the rise of the right in europe now is as a direct result of this nationalist rampant jingoistic dumbing down missing the irony of repeating fascisms jingoistic dumbing down that led to ww2.

Instead i say go to bed because your cheerleading just sounds pathetic and childish to me.

Sorry for the offence.

Hardly cheerleading. Whatever about the politics of the day my intention was to remember the young men whom a lot of I'm sure had no idea of the complex nature of what was happening.

And yes you do come across as condesending. Your use of the words pathetic and childish are the use of someone with a superior attitude who thinks their opinion is law.

SEPT 23 1989

Hey Heckler

had you family in the war?

Mr. Incognito

Heckler wrote: »

Hardly cheerleading. Whatever about the politics of the day my intention was to remember the young men whom a lot of I'm sure had no idea of the complex nature of what was happening.

And yes you do come across as condesending. Your use of the words pathetic and childish are the use of someone with a superior attitude who thinks their opinion is law.

I am sure they werent the only ones missing the complex nature then and now.

Their sacrafice was no less stupid the any other of the atocrities that happen in war.

Glorifying war in any form promotes war. I am a pacifist. D day is proganda. I have no interest in playing.

kneemos

Are we ignoring or remembering the young German soldiers that died?

Heckler

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Hey Heckler

had you family in the war?

My grandfather fought in WW1 at the Somme. He survived and went on to become a guard in bandon, Co. Cork for many years.

major bill

I can't imagine the fear those soldiers must have felt as they travelled from the ships to the beach, possibly longest 5/10 mins of their lives just before many were cut down by machine gun fire,

Arsemageddon

kneemos wrote: »

Are we ignoring or remembering the young German soldiers that died?

I think we're supposed to ignore them and the 50,000 or so French civilians killed by allied air raids during the Battle for Normandy.

That would only complicate things.

dubscottie

Says something about the numbers and the effort involved.

ThinkProgress

The killing in that era just seemed so much more pure. Compared to modern times... Back then it was good old fashioned wholesome murdering!

And women loved it too. They couldn't get enough of the blood shed.

They were all like: "Men get sh*t done. Sometimes sh*t has to get murdered. And our guys just murdered the sh*t out of their guys!"

And like the way the allied forces were more honest and fearless murders. Unlike those axis forces, who were all like the evil and devious kind of murders!

TO THE KILLING FIELDS COMRADES!!

Heckler

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I am sure they werent the only ones missing the complex nature then and now.

Their sacrafice was no less stupid the any other of the atocrities that happen in war.

Glorifying war in any form promotes war. I am a pacifist. D day is proganda. I have no interest in playing.

Ok. I think I get you. You'd rather see a friend beaten up than intervene and help him because you don't believe in violence. Go hug a tree.

Heckler

kneemos wrote: »

Are we ignoring or remembering the young German soldiers that died?

Nope. While in Normandy I visited 2 large graveyards of german soldiers and they are very well maintained and respected by the French. Not every German was a Nazi and the French know this.

Mr. Incognito

Heckler wrote: »

Ok. I think I get you. You'd rather see a friend beaten up than intervene and help him because you don't believe in violence. Go hug a tree.

*sigh*

Gladly. I think some trees might be much much more plesant than you.

Maybe we should cut some down though, and make signs that point in one direction, like you.

And, even though reading, or thinking may not be your strong suit today, and i dislike linking wikipedia this is a surprisingly good synopsis. Of course you are welcome to your simplistic views should you prefer. They suit some people better. Less ambiguity or subtlety. I can imagine its comforting.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism

SEPT 23 1989

Heckler wrote: »

My grandfather fought in WW1 at the Somme. He survived and went on to become a guard in bandon, Co. Cork for many years.

dont mind them Heckler

unless you see family in old black and white photos in uniform and their medals on the table war means nothing

Mr. Incognito

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

dont mind them Heckler

unless you see family in old black and white photos in uniform and their medals on the table war means nothing

My father fought in war and my views are very much coloured by the PTSD that destroyed his life and killed him in the end.medals on the table. Ha. He threw his in the bin. Empty tokens.

No war is worth one human life

Heckler

Your condensation is quite remarkable. Can you not have an argument without resorting to sounding like a complete dick ?

Mr. Incognito

Heckler wrote: »

Your condensation is quite remarkable. Can you not have an argument without resorting to sounding like a complete dick ?

I like turnips.

Heckler

No war is worth one human life ? Now you have to be taking the piss.

I'm sorry to hear of your fathers experience but I'm sure, understandbly, that it has colored your view.

Mr. Incognito

Heckler wrote: »

No war is worth one human life ? Now you have to be taking the piss.

You really should just try reading the link. I know it might take a few minutes and all but its quite eloquant and i really cant type it all out for you. Its quite late now so will sign off. Good luck with the parade.

Heckler

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

You really should just try reading the link. I know it might take a few minutes and all but its quite eloquant and i really cant type it all out for you. Its quite late now so will sign off. Good luck with the parade.

I'll read it. There ya go again with the parade being an ass.

porsche959

Would have thought it It was Stalin's Soviet Union that won largely the war against Nazism, at great cost.

Heckler

I read that. Dear God. Do you believe in all that ?

Absolute pacifism
An absolute pacifist is generally described by the British Broadcasting Corporation as one who believes that human life is so valuable, that a human should never be killed and war should never be conducted, even in self-defense. The principle is described as difficult to abide by consistently, due to violence not being available as a tool to aid a person who is being harmed or killed. It is further claimed that such a pacifist could logically argue that violence leads to more undesirable results than non-violence.[8]

If you believe this nonsense i despair for you. It says that if someone wants to kill you its wrong to defend yourself. If you actually believe this you are bat **** crazy.

Heckler

porsche959 wrote: »

Would have thought it It was Stalin's Soviet Union that won largely the war against Nazism, at great cost.

At huge cost. And Stalin killed more than Hitler.

Arsemageddon

Heckler wrote: »

At huge cost. And Stalin killed more than Hitler.

Stalin was a sick puppy but he didn't kill more than Hitler. Going by number of civilians murdered the Nazis clearly killed far more people. Plus there is the wee fact that Hitler started a genocidal war that killed 40 million people and devastated our continent.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/

By the by I trust you'll be starting a thread on June 22nd to commemorate the launch of Operation Bagration?

Heckler

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Stalin was a sick puppy but he didn't kill more than Hitler. Going by number of civilians murdered the Nazis clearly killed far more people. Plus there is the wee fact that Hitler started a genocidal war that killed 40 million people and devastated our continent.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/

By the by I trust you'll be starting a thread on June 22nd to commemorate the launch of Operation Bagration?

No I won't. Jesus H Christ I started a thread to commemorate the soldiers who fought on D-Day for a noble cause.

You can all just **** off.

Arsemageddon

Heckler wrote: »

No I won't. Jesus H Christ I started a thread to
commemorate the soldiers who fought on D-Day for a noble cause.

......and the Red Army lads didn't die in far greater numbers for a noble cause?

You can all just **** off.

Your lack of fighting spirit disappoints me.

Heckler

Of course they did ! but I'm talking specifically about D day and the beach landings. Being the day thats in it ffs.

kneemos

The numbers are just mind boggling.Over sixty million dead is hard to fathom when these days loss of life gets so much publicity.
It's all still within living memory . We're not that far removed.

Heckler

kneemos wrote: »

The numbers are just mind boggling.Over sixty million dead is hard to fathom when these days loss of life gets so much publicity.
It's all still within living memory . We're not that far removed.

Its unbelievable. If it was a movie plot it would be rejected. A tiny meglomaniac tries for world domination. And look what he did.

kneemos

Heckler wrote: »

Of course they did ! but I'm talking specifically about D day and the beach landings. Being the day thats in it ffs.

Each side remembers their own I suppose in fairness.
Still D-Day tends to be touted as the day the war was won,clearly not.

Heckler

Having seen so many documentaries about the Nazi death camps, the experiments of Mengle, many unknown stories of disabled and mentally handicapped children and psychiatric paitients killed in their thousands as a testing ground for Kyklon B, the cold calculated discussions of the Final Solution and having visited the D day beaches I can only praise the minds who put together a plan and the brave men who made it happen.

Heckler

kneemos wrote: »

Each side remembers their own I suppose in fairness.
Still D-Day tends to be touted as the day the war was won,clearly not.

They say the Victor writes the history. D Day was by no means the end of the war. It was the beginning of the end though after a shaky start.

Right about now 71 years ago 150,000 men (boys averaging 19-25) were on a transport ship off the coast of France, waiting to disembark onto a landing craft and assault the Normandy beaches.

And Kim Kardashian gets 100,000 dollars for 2 facebook updates and a twitter messsage.

Arsemageddon

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kneemos wrote: »

The numbers are just mind boggling.Over sixty million dead is hard to fathom when these days loss of life gets so much publicity.

It's all still within living memory

Agreed 100%

We're not that far removed.

Have to take issue with this bit. I would contend that we are now so utterly distant from WW2 that we have no comprehension of what it must have been like.

I have no time for those who seek to portray themselves as solemn and reverential for events they had no had no hand, act or part in.

Official state commemorations? I've no problem with that.

Commemorations by combatants or their immediate family? Of course, by all means.

Grossly simplistic, cliché riddled attempted thanks whoring threads in after hours? Not for me, thank you very much

Heckler

All I wanted to do is recognise D-Day. I'm bowing out out of this thread.