2015/16 EPCR draw, Wednesday 17 June 1:15pm Irish time

vienne86

connemara man wrote: »

Ah well the pub it is lol

A lot of the BT coverage look like it takes place in a pub rather than a studio!

total former

Just looking at the tiers - damn I hope we (Leinster) get Stade as our top seed. Getting Bath would be OK as top seed but it would mean that second seed would have to be Clermont, Toulouse or Toulon. Drawing Saracens as top seed is the nightmare scenario.

Ideal draw for Leinster is; Stade, Leicester, Treviso. Not easy but workable.

There are a few permutations in which it might actually suit Munster better to be drawn as second seeds, their ideal draw is maybe Stade, Exeter, Treviso.

Ulster on the other hand really need to be in the second seeds (33% chance). Ideal draw is as for Munster, nightmare is the same as Leinster - Saracens, Toulon/Clermont, Wasps.

aimee1

total former wrote: »

Just looking at the tiers - damn I hope we (Leinster) get Stade as our top seed. Getting Bath would be OK as top seed but it would mean that second seed would have to be Clermont, Toulouse or Toulon. Drawing Saracens as top seed is the nightmare scenario.

Ideal draw for Leinster is; Stade, Leicester, Treviso. Not easy but workable.

There are a few permutations in which it might actually suit Munster better to be drawn as second seeds, their ideal draw is maybe Stade, Exeter, Treviso.

Ulster on the other hand really need to be in the second seeds (33% chance). Ideal draw is as for Munster, nightmare is the same as Leinster - Saracens, Toulon/Clermont, Wasps.

Bath, Toulouse and any 4th seed wouldnt be that bad

molloyjh

aimee1 wrote: »

Bath, Toulouse and any 4th seed wouldnt be that bad

Bath, Toulouse and Bordeaux. Manageable and 3 great trips to boot for those who will travel.

I'd buy that for a dollar!

total former

aimee1 wrote: »

Bath, Toulouse and any 4th seed wouldnt be that bad

That wouldn't be too bad, but if Bath are drawn as Leinster's top seeds, there is only a 17% chance that Toulouse would be our second seed, a 17% chance that it would be Clermont and a 67% chance it would be Toulon.

So, erm, no thanks.

If Bath get top seed, then there is a 50% chance that Clermont will get the other top seed of the runners-up. If that happens, then Toulouse automatically drop into tier three and cannot play Leinster. There is therefore a 50% chance that Toulon will be the only French team in tier two (again, if Bath are top seed).

If Munster get the second top seed, then both Clermont and Toulouse go into tier two, and it will then be (1/3 x 50%) chance as to which of them we get, i.e. 16.7% each, so if we get Bath as top seed, the overall probability of Toulon as second seed is 50 + 16.7 = 66.7%

vienne86

This is head wrecking!

I presume the draw is on TV - Sky Sports, or what?

Edit: OK, I see it's on Sky and BT.

irishbucsfan

total former wrote: »

That wouldn't be too bad, but if Bath are drawn as Leinster's top seeds, there is only a 17% chance that Toulouse would be our second seed, a 17% chance that it would be Clermont and a 67% chance it would be Toulon.

So, erm, no thanks.

If Bath get top seed, then there is a 50% chance that Clermont will get the other top seed of the runners-up. If that happens, then Toulouse automatically drop into tier three and cannot play Leinster. There is therefore a 50% chance that Toulon will be the only French team in tier two (again, if Bath are top seed).

If Munster get the second top seed, then both Clermont and Toulouse go into tier two, and it will then be (1/3 x 50%) chance as to which of them we get, i.e. 16.7% each, so if we get Bath as top seed, the overall probability of Toulon as second seed is 50 + 16.7 = 66.7%

This sort of thing definitely requires Emmet verification

irishbucsfan

The more French teams in the group, the more likelihood games will be on Sky Sports. Some people might be excited by that possibility!

total former

irishbucsfan wrote: »

This sort of thing definitely requires Emmet verification

It comes with the total former guarantee of authenticity. That's money in the bank right there.

sydneybound

Not sure why they are doing the draw on the same day the football Premiership fixtures are announced. Meaning the draw will get even less coverage in the UK than it would normally get.

exiledelbows

Final's in Lyon according to Telegraph, and could be a double header with CC final.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/european-rugby/11679982/Champions-Cup-final-to-be-held-in-Lyon-in-2016.html

Akrasia

sydneybound wrote: »

Not sure why they are doing the draw on the same day the football Premiership fixtures are announced. Meaning the draw will get even less coverage in the UK than it would normally get.

People that care will find out either way

total former

exiledelbows wrote: »

Final's in Lyon according to Telegraph, and could be a double header with CC final.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/european-rugby/11679982/Champions-Cup-final-to-be-held-in-Lyon-in-2016.html

This bit is interesting:

The selection of Stade des Lumières would represent a bold choice for the tournament organisers, who are also poised to announce a raft of radical changes at the draw at their headquarters in Neuchatel, Switzerland

What could they be announcing?

RuggieBear

total former wrote: »

This bit is interesting:



What could they be announcing?

saracens and bath have bye to home semi finals...?

irishbucsfan

total former wrote: »

This bit is interesting:



What could they be announcing?

They're shutting down the whole thing and starting a new organisation based out of Dublin called "Extreme Rugby Crowd", it's going to be run equally by the Unions and the participants will have less individual control. A progressive move, and I for one certainly welcome it.

Akrasia

Start your speculation engines!

Me, I've got nothing.

A ban on the choke tackle?

.ak

total former wrote: »

This bit is interesting:



What could they be announcing?

Hopefully re-scheduling.

Akrasia

Flubber to be implemented in newly designed rugby ball

exiledelbows

total former wrote: »

This bit is interesting:



What could they be announcing?

I read it as the double header and the change of date.

No matter what the changes are, I promise to dislike them.

aimee1

total former wrote: »

This bit is interesting:
What could they be announcing?

changes to the bonus point system?

Riskymove

total former wrote: »

What could they be announcing?

Biarritz to be included as an Honorary life member (Pool 1) in all future competitions

Riskymove

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They're shutting down the whole thing and starting a new organisation based out of Dublin called "Extreme Rugby Crowd", it's going to be run equally by the Unions and the participants will have less individual control. A progressive move, and I for one certainly welcome it.

I picture the draw just beginning as normal when suddenly theme music plays and Vince McMahon saunters up to the stage!!

Larbre34

EPCR On Ice?

Larbre34

Deleted User wrote: »

No matter what the changes are, I promise to dislike them.

So more like; No, Níl, Nej, Non, Nein, No, Nao?

aimee1

Riskymove wrote: »

Biarritz to be included as an Honorary life member (Pool 1) in all future competitions

In a group with treviso always.

connemara man

Home and away matches to be a thing of the past and all games will be double headers in large stadia across Europe

irishbucsfan

connemara man wrote: »

Home and away matches to be a thing of the past and all games will be double headers in large stadia across Europe

All games will be played in Allianz Park

Here we go. Hi Craig.

http://live.epcrugby.com/eng/player1.php

Announcement 1 : Host in 2016 -> Lyon, not a double header. Friday/Saturday as previous
Announcement 2 : Host in 2017 -> Edinburgh

bilston

Please be kind to Ulster Bruce