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    #752
    130Kph
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Life's too short to get hung up on it.

    Well, bodily integrity & coerced pregnancies are very serious issues for most reasonable people. But if you see this aspect of the debate as something to be lightly dismissed & joked about, so be it.

    It’s a non-issue for you, that’s absolutely fine.


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    #753
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    130Kph wrote: »
    It’s a non-issue for you, that’s absolutely fine.

    The sad fact is that it's a non-issue for most Irish voters. Most can afford, or their husbands or parents or boyfriends can afford to organize an abortion via Ireland's abortion industry, off-shored in the UK.

    It's only people stuck in the cracks of the legal system and people already in the grips of our so-called maternity services who are victimized by the 8th amendment.


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    #754
    ProfessorPlum
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    The Y case was caused by Hope's mother wanting him dead, but the 8th saved his life.

    After reading the last few pages, I'm inclined to think you must be trolling.
    But none the less, let me explain. Miss Y applied for a termination on the back of legislation enacted to deal with the 8th amendment. That amendment enshrined the right to life of her foetus, but also compelled us to give due regard to her equal right to life. Without the 8th amendment, we would not have the POLDP Act. Without that act I can not think of any case where a baby would be delivered so prematurely unless necessary for the wellbeing of the baby or the physical wellbeing of the mother. I have heard of no other such case.
    So thanks to the 8th amendment we have a severely traumatised young woman, and a child who will likely never live an independant life. For no particularly good reason. If you thing this is a triumph, I pity you.


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    #755
    PopePalpatine
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    When will the abortion lobby allow Savita rest in peace?

    When will that Legatus money run out?


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    #756
    anothernight
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Her innocent baby should not be exterminated or harmed in any way.

    That is not an answer to what I asked. Please reply to my question. Is the unwanted pregnancy of a woman who was forced into sex through rape, her duty?
    Yes/No


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    #757
    PopePalpatine
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    anothernight wrote: »
    That is not an answer to what I asked. Please reply to my question. Is the unwanted pregnancy of a woman who was forced into sex through rape, her duty?
    Yes/No

    "Yes, because she shouldn't have worn those clothes/been so drunk."


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    #758
    K-9
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Are you butthurt that the Magdalenekazetten are closed?

    Mod:

    Up the standard please, comments like that don't help the thread at all.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #759
    Black Menorca
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Well, if you ignore the 4000 or so abortions of Irish unborns happening every year, yeah!

    Well done pro-life movement! Preventing abortions for prisoners, the mentally ill and asylum seekers in Ireland since 1983!

    Every unborn life saved is to be celebrated.


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    #760
    Black Menorca
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    When we repeal the 8th

    your honesty is appreciated.

    Savita will continue to be morbidly peddled by the abortion lobby.


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    #761
    Black Menorca
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    ProfessorPlum wrote: »
    After reading the last few pages, I'm inclined to think you must be trolling.
    But none the less, let me explain. Miss Y applied for a termination on the back of legislation enacted to deal with the 8th amendment. That amendment enshrined the right to life of her foetus, but also compelled us to give due regard to her equal right to life. Without the 8th amendment, we would not have the POLDP Act. Without that act I can not think of any case where a baby would be delivered so prematurely unless necessary for the wellbeing of the baby or the physical wellbeing of the mother. I have heard of no other such case.
    So thanks to the 8th amendment we have a severely traumatised young woman, and a child who will likely never live an independant life. For no particularly good reason. If you thing this is a triumph, I pity you.

    The 8th, backed up by X Legislation saved Hope's life.


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    #762
    Black Menorca
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    anothernight wrote: »
    That is not an answer to what I asked. Please reply to my question. Is the unwanted pregnancy of a woman who was forced into sex through rape, her duty?
    Yes/No

    Clearly, yes.


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    Neil3030
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    your honesty is appreciated.

    Savita will continue to be morbidly peddled by the abortion lobby.

    If only such concern for her well being could have been extended her way while she was alive.


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    #764
    Black Menorca
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    Not even Kitty Holland believes the abortion lobby's spin on Savita's tragic death.



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    #765
    Black Menorca
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    If only such concern for her well being could have been extended her way while she was alive.

    Indeed.

    The abortion lobby's abuse of her memory is sickening.


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    #766
    Neil3030
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Indeed.

    The abortion lobby's abuse of her memory is sickening.

    I find pro-life inspired fatal abuse of her body to be far more sickening, tbh.


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    #767
    anothernight
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Indeed.

    The abortion lobby's abuse of her memory is sickening.

    Is Savita's husband also part of this 'abortion lobby'?


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    #768
    Black Menorca
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    I find pro-life inspired fatal abuse of her body to be far more sickening, tbh.

    Three reports written and none back your assertion up.

    But don't let that stop you.


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    #769
    Black Menorca
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    anothernight wrote: »
    Is Savita's husband also part of this 'abortion lobby'?

    I have no idea.


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    #770
    anothernight
    Registered Users Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭anothernight


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I have no idea.

    I ask because he clearly wanted his wife to survive the pregnancy, and from the news reports it sounds like he'd have supported the termination to save her life. Doesn't that mean he's 'abusing her memory', according to you?

    He said he had pleaded with medical staff at Galway university hospital for his wife to be given an emergency termination to save her life.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/19/savita-abortion-widower-barbaric-hospital


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    #771
    Black Menorca
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    anothernight wrote: »
    I ask because he clearly wanted his wife to survive the pregnancy, and from the news reports it sounds like he'd have supported the termination to save her life. Doesn't that mean he's 'abusing her memory', according to you?



    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/19/savita-abortion-widower-barbaric-hospital

    So he says.


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    #772
    anothernight
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    So he says.

    What, you think he was hoping that his wife would be denied treatment, and just doesn't want to admit it?

    I ask, do you think Savita's husband is abusing her memory too, as you're accusing other posters on this thread of doing? A Yes/No answer will suffice.


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    #773
    Black Menorca
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    anothernight wrote: »
    What, you think he was hoping that his wife would be denied treatment, and just doesn't want to admit it?

    What a strange question to ask.

    The abortion lobby are continuing to morbidly abuse Savita's death in their continued advocacy for abortion in this country.

    To my knowledge, he's not posting in this thread, nor is he lobbying for abortion in Ireland.


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    #774
    Zubeneschamali
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    So he says.

    So the poor guy is a liar, now, too?

    What a charmer you are.


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    #775
    anothernight
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    What a strange question to ask.

    The abortion lobby are continuing to morbidly abuse Savita's death in their continued advocacy for abortion in this country.

    To my knowledge, he's not posting in this thread, nor is he lobbying for abortion in Ireland.

    He wishes his wife had a termination to save her life. You're accusing other posters of abusing her memory by saying that she should have had a termination to save her life. You honestly can't see the similarity there?

    EDIT: You also didn't specify whether you think Savita's husband is lying there. To remind you, I said "What, you think he was hoping that his wife would be denied treatment, and just doesn't want to admit it?"


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    #776
    Black Menorca
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    So the poor guy is a liar, now, too?

    What a charmer you are.

    Not even Kitty would stand over his account. Did you not listen to her interview in the YT clip?


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    #777
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    anothernight wrote: »
    He wishes his wife had a termination to save her life. You're accusing other posters of abusing her memory by saying that she should have had a termination to save her life. You honestly can't see the similarity there?

    EDIT: You also didn't specify whether you think Savita's husband is lying there. To remind you, I said "What, you think he was hoping that his wife would be denied treatment, and just doesn't want to admit it?"
    Like Kitty, I have no idea of the veracity of his comments.


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    #778
    anothernight
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Like Kitty, I have no idea of the veracity of his comments.

    So, let's be clear on this. You think there is a chance that the grieving husband of the late Savita Halappanavar was lying?

    Just out of curiosity. Let's assume he's not lying, and he actually wanted his wife to get the life-saving termination. Would he, in your opinion, be 'abusing her memory', as you have accused other posters in this thread?


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    #779
    volchitsa
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Like Kitty, I have no idea of the veracity of his comments.
    Except that that video was from long before the investigations into her death, and now we do know that he was telling the truth.

    Except you apparently, who still doesn't tbelieve him. But I think that says more about you than about anything else.


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    #780
    Black Menorca
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    anothernight wrote: »
    So, let's be clear on this. You think there is a chance that the grieving husband of the late Savita Halappanavar was lying?

    Just out of curiosity. Let's assume he's not lying, and he actually wanted his wife to get the life-saving termination. Would he, in your opinion, be 'abusing her memory', as you have accused other posters in this thread?

    Like Kitty, I have no idea if there's any truth in the assertion that an abortion was sought when he claims it was made.

    As I've said already, to my knowledge, he's not posting here nor is he a lobbyist for the abortion industry.


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    #781
    anothernight
    Registered Users Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭anothernight


    I'm going to ignore your complete lack of respect to a grieving widower.
    Black Menorca wrote: »
    As I've said already, to my knowledge, he's not posting here nor is he a lobbyist for the abortion industry.

    Sigh. I'll try again.

    You are accusing other posters of abusing the memory of Savita Halappanavar, when all they have done is say or imply that she should have had a life-saving termination. Her husband did the same thing, say or imply that she should have had a life-saving termination.

    Does this mean, in your opinion, that he's abusing her memory?

    Whether he's posting on boards.ie or not is utterly irrelevant. He did more than the posters here have done, by going to the Irish (and international) media to speak out about the issue.


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