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8th Amendment

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  • #692
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Are you suggesting there's evidence of certain racial groups seek to kill unborn babies more than others?

    What was the sentence handed down to the rapist, by the way?

    Wow. When I think your posts couldn't physically get any less classy, you just keep proving me wrong.


  • #693
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Wow. When I think your posts couldn't physically get any less classy, you just keep proving me wrong.

    Well? Can you answer either question?


  • #694
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,176 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Are you suggesting there's evidence of certain racial groups seek to kill unborn babies more than others?

    What was the sentence handed down to the rapist, by the way?

    What the fuck are you on about? I don't know what sentence Ms. Y's rapist received - it's hard to tell when we don't even know Ms. Y's real name (and thank f uck for that, lest your lot exact your twisted "justice" on her) or what region (as opposed to country) she came from.


  • #695
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    What the fuck are you on about? I don't know what sentence Ms. Y's rapist received - it's hard to tell when we don't even know Ms. Y's real name (and thank f uck for that, lest your lot exact your twisted "justice" on her) or what region (as opposed to country) she came from.

    Was there even a trial?


  • #696
    inocybe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭inocybe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Was there even a trial?

    So you don't believe she was raped?


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  • #697
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Was there even a trial?

    Is it not enough to demand that the poor girl be demoted to a passive incubator, but you also have to try to imply that she wasn't raped?

    Are you incapable of shame?


  • #698
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Baby Hope is alive, despite of his mother, thanks to the 8th.

    Because the mother was a raped immigrant, whose visa status wouldn't allow her to travel to the UK. Women in prison and psychiatric hospitals have the same problem.

    My own daughters, of course, will never face that issue, but I would like raped immigrants, prisoners and mad people to have the same access to abortion as they have.


  • #699
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    inocybe wrote: »
    So you don't believe she was raped?

    So was there or was there not a trial and conviction?


  • #700
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Is it not enough to demand that the poor girl be demoted to a passive incubator, but you also have to try to imply that she wasn't raped?

    Are you incapable of shame?

    The irony isn't lost on me when I see your despair at my posts, yet you are the one advocating for the intentional taking of human life on Irish soil.


  • #701
    130Kph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I call it as it was.

    Baby Hope is alive, despite of his mother, thanks to the 8th.

    When a woman is coerced in this jurisdiction to remain pregnant against her self-determination & fierce indignant opposition, can you explain how you reason that to yourself ethically i.e. focusing only on the woman and putting aside concerns about the foetus here - as your views on the foetus are completely clear to everybody?

    I’m interested in your views of the body-integrity of an individual in such a situation.


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  • #702
    inocybe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭inocybe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    So was there or was there not a trial and conviction?

    I don't know, do you? Do you have any evidence that she wasn't raped?


  • #703
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    130Kph wrote: »
    When a woman is coerced in this jurisdiction to remain pregnant against her self-determination & fierce indignant opposition, can you explain how you reason that to yourself ethically i.e. focusing only on the woman and putting aside concerns about the foetus here - as your views on the foetus are completely clear to everybody?

    I’m interested in your views of the body-integrity of an individual in such a situation.

    See, here's where we differ.

    Mother and baby are important in my view. With the duty of being pregnant comes the responsibility to do no intentional harm to her unborn, defenceless child.


  • #704
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    inocybe wrote: »
    I don't know, do you? Do you have any evidence that she wasn't raped?

    No trial, no conviction? For clarity, is this the case?


  • #705
    anothernight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭anothernight


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    See, here's where we differ.

    Mother and baby are important in my view. With the duty of being pregnant comes the responsibility to do no intentional harm to her unborn, defenceless child.

    Is being pregnant a duty when a woman is raped? She didn't choose to have sex. She was forced to. Is her unintended, unwanted pregnancy still her duty then?


  • #706
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,115 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    So was there or was there not a trial and conviction?
    would proof of a conviction make any difference to whether an abortion should have been permitted? If not, then what relevance does it have to the discussion?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #707
    130Kph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    See, here's where we differ.

    Mother and baby are important in my view. With the duty of being pregnant comes the responsibility to do no intentional harm to her unborn, defenceless child.

    But that is obvious. There's nothing new there - its a given. Its your viewpoint and there's no confusion or ambiguity about it.

    I'm asking you to step outside your familiar stance and address the question I asked you because I genuinely don't know what your answer might be. So I'll restate:-

    Q. When a woman is coerced in this jurisdiction to remain pregnant against her self-determination & fierce indignant opposition, can you explain how you reason that to yourself ethically i.e. focussing only on the woman and putting aside concerns about the foetus here - as your views on the foetus are completely clear to everybody?

    I’m interested in your views of the body-integrity of an individual in such a situation.


    If you don't want to answer, that's fine.


  • #708
    inocybe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭inocybe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    No trial, no conviction? For clarity, is this the case?

    this is a bizarre road you're heading down.


  • #709
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,176 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    How the f*ck can we search for a rape case involving Ms. Y when we don't even know her real name?!


  • #710
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    anothernight wrote: »
    Is being pregnant a duty when a woman is raped? She didn't choose to have sex. She was forced to. Is her unintended, unwanted pregnancy still her duty then?

    Her innocent baby should not be exterminated or harmed in any way.


  • #711
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    SW wrote: »
    would proof of a conviction make any difference to whether an abortion should have been permitted? If not, then what relevance does it have to the discussion?

    Absolutely not, as you well know.

    The reason for my basic questioning stems from the apparent certainty of a rape occurring in the first place. Hence my query about a trail and/or conviction.

    Do you know of any such trial?


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  • #712
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    How the f*ck can we search for a rape case involving Ms. Y when we don't even know her real name?!

    That's why she's a perfect example of how the 8th amendment works, nobody knows who she is. If she was an actual real human being, it wouldn't work, because every parent in the country would have her on a plane to the UK so fast it would make her head spin.

    And then they'd come back and vote to keep the 8th amendment, because something something Holy Catholic Ireland.


  • #713
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    130Kph wrote: »
    But that is obvious. There's nothing new there - its a given. Its your viewpoint and there's no confusion or ambiguity about it.

    I'm asking you to step outside your familiar stance and address the question I asked you because I genuinely don't know what your answer might be. So I'll restate:-

    Q. When a woman is coerced in this jurisdiction to remain pregnant against her self-determination & fierce indignant opposition, can you explain how you reason that to yourself ethically i.e. focussing only on the woman and putting aside concerns about the foetus here - as your views on the foetus are completely clear to everybody?

    I’m interested in your views of the body-integrity of an individual in such a situation.


    If you don't want to answer, that's fine.

    The body integrity of the mother and that of her unborn baby should both be respected and no intentional harm should come to either.


  • #714
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    The body integrity of the mother and that of her unborn baby should both be respected and no intentional harm should come to either.

    But if the foetus dies and the woman ends up a physical and mental wreck, c'est la vie.


  • #715
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Mother and baby are important in my view. With the duty of being pregnant...

    It's abundantly clear that the mother is important to you only in her role as an incubator.

    Duty of being pregnant, indeed.

    Keep posting.


  • #716
    inocybe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭inocybe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Absolutely not, as you well know.

    The reason for my basic questioning stems from the apparent certainty of a rape occurring in the first place. Hence my query about a trail and/or conviction.

    Do you know of any such trial?

    this is so far beyond ridiculous. She was an asylum seeker! That generally means someone from a country without law and order, or where minorities are oppressed. What the hell are you talking about trials for, I don't understand what kind of bubble you must be living in.


  • #717
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,176 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    See, here's where we differ.

    Mother and baby are important in my view. With the duty of being pregnant comes the responsibility to do no intentional harm to her unborn, defenceless child.

    Are you butthurt that the Magdalenekazetten are closed?


  • #718
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,115 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Absolutely not, as you well know.

    The reason for my basic questioning stems from the apparent certainty of a rape occurring in the first place. Hence my query about a trail and/or conviction.

    Do you know of any such trial?

    So an irrelevant tangent it is then.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #719
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    inocybe wrote: »
    I don't understand what kind of bubble you must be living in.

    Black Menorca is presumably an actual Irish citizen, which means he/she and his/her family have access to the UK's abortion services.

    But immigrants, mental patients and prisoners shouldn't have the same access, because Saint Brigid.


  • #720
    130Kph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    The body integrity of the mother and that of her unborn baby should both be respected and no intentional harm should come to either.

    As I expected, you can’t even let your mind even go there. What a disturbing phenomenon to observe.


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  • #721
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    130Kph wrote: »
    As I expected, you can’t even let your mind even go there. What a disturbing phenomenon to observe.

    "She's only pregnant. That's what she's there for. She'll live."


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