Guinness advert Tom Crean factual mistakes

Grab All Association

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXf93CEI4t0


1. Did you notice the Guinness logo on the pint glasses? That variation of the Guinness logo didn't exist until 1996/7.

2. Guinness draught was launched in 1959. Before that it only came in bottles.

I bet you can't spot the other mistakes in this advert.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

Mint Aero

You sir are dead wrong. That in the cave was Tom's vision of the future. Just because the stuff in his vision didn't come to fruition until much later doesn't make the ad wrong for it is what Tom saw in his mind.

KungPao

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

Hey egghead, sing Fair Harvard!

c_man

Chris___ wrote: »

I bet you can't spot the other mistakes in this advert.

Real life isn't black and white.

An Claidheamh

They also forgot to mention also he supported the British during the War of Independence.

Apparently he wasn't brave during that period.

All this "unsung hero" stuff edits that out.

john the one

Yeah, that fella in the add definitely isn't this Tom Creek character. It must be an imposter. I went to college with him in the ad

Tony Beetroot

Did Tom Crean go to the north pole at all

An Claidheamh

An Claidheamh wrote: »

They also forgot to mention also he supported the British during the War of Independence.

Apparently he wasn't brave during that period.

All this "unsung hero" stuff edits that out.

I understood he was a member of FF when it was founded, and was very close to the family of Thomas Ashe, close enough to be raided by the Black and Tans. You got a source for this assertion that he supported the British.

AlmightyCushion

Tony Beetroot wrote: »

Did Tom Crean go to the north pole at all

Yes, although he didn't go to the geographic north pole. Instead, he went to visit a man called Piotr, a Polish guy who lived in Fermanagh.

hatrickpatrick

Chris___ wrote: »

2. Guinness draught was launched in 1959. Before that it only came in bottles.

Without a widget, which I gather is a more modern invention, how did they achieve the head?

Adyx

Wilfully ignoring facts so they can sell some crappy beer? Shocking display from Diageo. Although it's not quite up there with O2 leaving out the shadow from a window mullion in one of their ads. Don't know who they thought would fall for that!

1gunsnroses

Tom Crean was one of the greatest Irishmen of all time but never really recognised due to his association with the crown a pity really.

Peregrinus

Chris___ wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXf93CEI4t0


1. Did you notice the Guinness logo on the pint glasses? That variation of the Guinness logo didn't exist until 1996/7.

2. Guinness draught was launched in 1959. Before that it only came in bottles.

I bet you can't spot the other mistakes in this advert.

If you're going to be nitpicky you have to pick your nits correctly. The currently-marketed draught stout - "IDS", we called it in the brewery - was introduced in 1959, but of course draught stout was sold before that. IDS was a modification of the draught that had been sold up to that point. It was designed to be racked into aluminium kegs as opposed to the previously-used wooden casks.

In fact Guinness didn't start bottling beer until the twentieth century; all beer left James's gate in casks, though from about the 1860s local distributors or even individual publicans were licensed to bottle the beer supplied to them and sell it in bottle under the Guinness name (and with a trademarked label supplied by Guinness).

A bonus point for anyone who has the skinny on what "IDS" stands for!

kneemos

Peregrinus wrote: »

If you're going to be nitpicky you have to pick your nits correctly. The currently-marketed draught stout - "IDS", we called it in the brewery - was introduced in 1959, but of course draught stout was sold before that. IDS was a modification of the draught that had been sold up to that point. It was designed to be racked into aluminium kegs as opposed to the previously-used wooden casks.

In fact Guinness didn't start bottling beer until the twentieth century; all beer left James's gate in casks, though from about the 1860s local distributors or even individual publicans were licensed to bottle the beer supplied to them and sell it in bottle under the Guinness name (and with a trademarked label supplied by Guinness).

A bonus point for anyone who has the skinny on what "IDS" stands for!

I Dig Shakira.

AlmightyCushion

kneemos wrote: »

I Dig Shakira.

I Dicked Shakira.

whiskeyman

Tony Beetroot wrote: »

Did Tom Crean go to the north pole at all

Nope.
It was all a staged hoax.
Any pictures of the time were actually posed on the moon...

Wang King

I Do Shïts.....esp after 10 pints of the stuff

iDave

Saw the play in the Olympia last week. Pretty decent.

Also the tans raided his home. When they saw his Royal Navy medals they left him alone.

Anyway an incredible surviver and brave man.

whisky_galore

It's an ad to sell beer, not a fcuking documentary.

Señor Fancy Pants

His name wasn't even Tom!

It was Percy-Percephany

Diageo, lying bastards.

Zombienosh

wait a second...............THESE ARE FAKE HANDS.

Massimo Cassagrande

Sure back then anyone could say they did anything - "I'm off to the North Pole Lads"..."ah Grand Tom, sure have a great time.."

Tom heads off for a few months in Bettystown, grows a beard and has pints, wanders back down to Kerry. "Jasus Lads, that North Pole was only massive"..."Well done Tom, have a pint"...."Cheers Lads..them polar bears though, jasus ye'd want to see them..."

Who'd be any the wiser? No-ones gonna ask for go-pro footage and most people wouldn't have known where Leitrim was, let alone the North Pole..

Tom goes around for the next few years regaling people with stories of his adventure. Great success. Maybe he was a big fat fibber...stick that in yer mis-logoed pint....

Tordelback

1gunsnroses wrote: »

Tom Crean was one of the greatest Irishmen of all time but never really recognised due to his association with the crown a pity really.

Particularly unfortunate since he could hardly have got very far in his explorations had he instead chosen to serve in the Irish Navy in the 1890s, which as I understand it was a toy boat in the boy Pearse's bath at the time. People need to stop dividing everyone into proud nationalist and cowardly collaborator, and remember that up to Independence effectively everything an Irish person did was in 'association with the Crown', from buying a stamp to sitting an exam. It was the only game in town.

whisky_galore

Tordelback wrote: »

Particularly unfortunate since he could hardly have got very far in his explorations had he instead chosen to serve in the Irish Navy in the 1890s, which as I understand it was a toy boat in the boy Pearse's bath at the time. People need to remember that up to Independence effectively everything an Irish person did was in 'association with the Crown', from buying a stamp to sitting an exam. It as the only game in town.

WTF?
Hate to burst your bubble, but we didn't have a navy then.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

WTF?
Hate to burst your bubble, but we didn't have a navy then.

Pearse had bubble baths?

Tordelback

whisky_galore wrote: »

WTF?
Hate to burst your bubble, but we didn't have a navy then.

Um.

Hitchens

Tom Crean and Bull McCabe went to Primary School together ......fact!

who the fug

Deleted User wrote: »

Pearse had bubble baths?

Yeah, he got that from his Unitarian Brummie father

Luckycharms_74

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

Celticfire

Tom Crean hated the taste of Guinness , he was more a sherry man.

Señor Fancy Pants

Hitchens wrote: »

Tom Crean and Bull McCabe went to Primary School together ......fact!

When they were in high babies, Tom stole Bulls pencil and they never spoke again.

RayCon

Peregrinus wrote: »

A bonus point for anyone who has the skinny on what "IDS" stands for!

Insuppressible Dribbley Sh!ts ..... what do I win ?

Wang King

RayCon wrote: »

Insuppressible Dribbley Sh!ts ..... what do I win ?

A free pint of Guinness

who the fug

RayCon wrote: »

Insuppressible Dribbley Sh!ts ..... what do I win ?

Always wondered if the guy who came up with pebble dashing did so after a feed of Guinness

keano_afc

I wont hear a bad word about Tom Crean. He's a legend.

Sleepy

Peregrinus wrote: »

If you're going to be nitpicky you have to pick your nits correctly. The currently-marketed draught stout - "IDS", we called it in the brewery - was introduced in 1959, but of course draught stout was sold before that. IDS was a modification of the draught that had been sold up to that point. It was designed to be racked into aluminium kegs as opposed to the previously-used wooden casks.

In fact Guinness didn't start bottling beer until the twentieth century; all beer left James's gate in casks, though from about the 1860s local distributors or even individual publicans were licensed to bottle the beer supplied to them and sell it in bottle under the Guinness name (and with a trademarked label supplied by Guinness).

A bonus point for anyone who has the skinny on what "IDS" stands for!

Irish Dry Stout?

HamsterFace

Tony Beetroot wrote: »

Did Tom Crean go to the north pole at all

Didn't even try to go to the south pole. Any aul fool could do that. The Arctic is basically a holiday camp compared to the Antarctic where he went three times.

I'd advise anyone to see the play, fantastic. I'm assuming you have all read the book, if not then that is something you must remedy.

Reiver

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

A wizard did it.

fizzypish

who the fug wrote: »

Always wondered if the guy who came up with pebble dashing did so after a feed of Guinness

Feed of Guinness and peanuts == pebble dashing

Hitchens

Celticfire wrote: »

Tom Crean hated the taste of Guinness , he was more a sherry man.

Actually, he was a Carling man!

SaveOurLyric

Disgusted that I have been conned by that.

Can I sue Guinness for false advertising and be reimbursed for all the Guinness I have bought since then on the basis of that ad ?

Brancott

Too much fawning over him for my liking.
The word legend is thrown around too easily nowadays.
Went on few failed expeditions, I'd be keeping my head down if I were him.
It's like when Belfast folk celebrate a poorly engineered ship that sank first time out.
I'd be keeping that thing on the hush hush.

cajonlardo

An Claidheamh wrote: »

They also forgot to mention also he supported the British during the War of Independence.

Apparently he wasn't brave during that period.

All this "unsung hero" stuff edits that out.

Nor did they mention that the his home was raided by the black and tans. They had him against a wall and aimed rifles at him before deciding not to execute him. At no time did he mention who he was or anything else that may have saved him. He faced loaded rifles in the hands of cold blooded killers and was prepared to die the way he lived.

I couldn't do that in fit. Could you?

Mesrine65

An Claidheamh wrote: »

They also forgot to mention also he supported the British during the War of Independence.

On 25 April 1920 Crean's brother, Cornelius, a policeman in the Royal Irish Constabulary was killed along with another RIC officer in an IRA ambush in Ballinspittle, County Cork.

Maybe his loyalties were coloured by this event?!

Dyr

I don't know which camp is a bigger pain in the face to listen to at this stage

The moaners who dont like tom crean for taking the shilling or the unmitigated fkn bores who express outrage at every opportunity that the country hasn't been named creanland in his honour yet

Maybe he had the good sense to keep a low profile because he had an idea that this would happen

Buck Melanoma

Peregrinus wrote: »

If you're going to be nitpicky you have to pick your nits correctly. The currently-marketed draught stout - "IDS", we called it in the brewery - was introduced in 1959, but of course draught stout was sold before that. IDS was a modification of the draught that had been sold up to that point. It was designed to be racked into aluminium kegs as opposed to the previously-used wooden casks.

In fact Guinness didn't start bottling beer until the twentieth century; all beer left James's gate in casks, though from about the 1860s local distributors or even individual publicans were licensed to bottle the beer supplied to them and sell it in bottle under the Guinness name (and with a trademarked label supplied by Guinness).

A bonus point for anyone who has the skinny on what "IDS" stands for!

I Dislike Stout ?
Irish Draught Stout?

Peregrinus

Buck Melanoma wrote: »

I Dislike Stout ?
Irish Draught Stout?

You're getting very warm.

The party line is that it stands for "Irish Draught Stout". In fact, though, when they started developing the product it was called "Instant Draught Stout", and IDS was the abbreviation. It was only when they thought about marketing that they realised that "instant" didn't exactly suggest a premium product, so they came up with "Irish Draught Stout" as a back-formation to explain the initialism in a more marketing-friendly way.

Rhys Essien

Massimo Cassagrande wrote: »

Sure back then anyone could say they did anything - "I'm off to the North Pole Lads"..."ah Grand Tom, sure have a great time.."

Tom heads off for a few months in Bettystown, grows a beard and has pints, wanders back down to Kerry. "Jasus Lads, that North Pole was only massive"..."Well done Tom, have a pint"...."Cheers Lads..them polar bears though, jasus ye'd want to see them..."

Who'd be any the wiser? No-ones gonna ask for go-pro footage and most people wouldn't have known where Leitrim was, let alone the North Pole..

Tom goes around for the next few years regaling people with stories of his adventure. Great success. Maybe he was a big fat fibber...stick that in yer mis-logoed pint....

What kind of utter rubbish am I after reading.

There are great books out about Tom Crean.In them,there are photos of Tom Crean in Antarctica.He was also awarded medals for his expeditions there.

Get the book.Well recommended.

Wang King

Rhys Essien wrote: »

What kind of utter rubbish am I after reading.

There are great books out about Tom Crean.In them,there are photos of Tom Crean in Antarctica.He was also awarded medals for his expeditions there.

Get the book.Well recommended.

All faked photos, his medals were bought in a pawnbrokers in Soho

danrua01

Biggest blunder: there was no YouTube in 1912.