Diversity officer in UK - "Women of colour can't be racist or sexist"

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“I, an ethnic minority woman, cannot be racist or sexist towards white men, because racism and sexism describes structures of privilege based on race and gender.

And therefore women of colour and minority genders cannot be racist or sexist because we do not stand to benefit from such a system.”

This is what Bahar Mustafa, a students' union diversity officer in the UK, said this week. She had organised an event on Facebook for black and minority ethnic (BME) students, but posted a comment saying.

“Also, if you've been invited and you're a man and/or white PLEASE DON’T COME just cos I invited a bunch of people and hope you will be responsible enough to respect this is a BME Women and non-binary event only.”

She was accused of being racist and sexist, and responding with the comment at the top of this post.

I have a few questions about this.

(a) Who decided that racism “describes structures of privileges”? And why are they more of an authority on the subject than anyone else?

(b) What's wrong with the traditional understanding of racism, which is treating people in a different (usually negative) way because of their skin-colour or background?

silverfeather

Ronald Brave Nutmeg wrote: »

Who decided that racism “describes structures of privileges”? And why are they more of an authority on the subject than anyone else?

The UN.


'the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life'

silverfeather

Ronald Brave Nutmeg wrote: »

(b) What's wrong with the traditional understanding of racism, which is treating people in a different (usually negative) way because of their skin-colour or background?

Treating people in a negative or positive way because of their race does create structures of privilege.

silverfeather

Ronald Brave Nutmeg wrote: »

“Also, if you've been invited and you're a man and/or white PLEASE DON’T COME just cos I invited a bunch of people and hope you will be responsible enough to respect this is a BME Women and non-binary event only.”

There are white men there.

MathDebater

Translation.

I cannot be a prick to people because I have arbitrarily redefined the word to exclude myself. As such, I can act how I please and you're not allowed to be angry at me or disagree with me, because I said so.

Also, she look pretty fecking White to me! I thought this sort of bollocks was confined to North American but it appears to be creeping over to this side of the Atlantic. Not good.

No_Comply

These are the kind of people you get when you make up bullsh1t positions such as 'diversity officer'.

silverfeather

Ronald Brave Nutmeg wrote: »

Her comments were branded "laughable" and "patronising" by fellow students.

And Goldsmiths University said it had written to the union to "express concern" at the comments, and added: "We are proud of our diverse community and do not tolerate any form of oppression, including racism, sexism or any other form of bigotry.”

But Ms Mustafa, 27, has hit back in the row, describing the backlash over her Facebook post as "only one in a series of attacks upon minority women on campus.”

It sounds like she was seen as a bit of a kook.

silverfeather

No_Comply wrote: »

These are the kind of people you get when you make up bullsh1t positions such as 'diversity officer'.

They are actually a good idea. She should be fired or resign though. She is the opposite of what one should be in a diversity officer.

who the fug

So in summary a Mickey Mouse™ official, in a Mickey Mouse™ students union, in a Mickey Mouse™ red brick says something

silverfeather

MathDebater wrote: »

Translation.



Also, she look pretty fecking White to me! I thought this sort of bollocks was confined to North American but it appears to be creeping over to this side of the Atlantic. Not good.

Her background is Turkish I think but I'm not certain.

Dravokivich

silverfeather wrote: »

The UN.


'the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life'

But that doesnt say anything about it being a reflection solely on those from a priviledged position within society.

Taxburden carrier

who the fug wrote: »

So in summary a Mickey Mouse™ official, in a Mickey Mouse™ students union, in a Mickey Mouse™ red brick says something

That's Ms Minnie Mouse to you :rolleyes:

silverfeather

Dravokivich wrote: »

But that doesnt say anything about it being a reflection solely on those from a priviledged position within society.

That's not what I claimed it said.
Racism creates tiers. The upper tier is just as much affected by the racist discrimination only in a positive way. It creates a privileged position.

Uriel.

She looks like someone who lives in one of those hippy communes. Despite her long hair she reminds me of the mother from "About a Boy"

smoking_kills

Uriel. wrote: »

She looks like someone who lives in one of those hippy communes. Despite her long hair she reminds me of the mother from "About a Boy"

She lives in a half million quid house with he folks! The poor oppressed girl

silverfeather

She has more or less been ridiculed by her own peers. I do hope she is removed from that post. She is very ill suited towards it and not very pr savy.

Uriel.

smoking_kills wrote: »

She lives in a half million quid house with he folks! The poor oppressed girl

Easier to act the hippy so.

silverfeather

smoking_kills wrote: »

She lives in a half million quid house with he folks! The poor oppressed girl

Does she? Jesus!

smoking_kills

silverfeather wrote: »

Does she? Jesus!

Apparently!

silverfeather

smoking_kills wrote: »

Apparently!

Good fook! Are you sure? Linky??

Sorry don't mean to annoy you I believe you I am just interested.

MathDebater

smoking_kills wrote: »

She lives in a half million quid house with he folks! The poor oppressed girl

Hahaha. Yet she claims to be working class. White passing middle class girl pretends to be oppressed working class minority. Would that not be considered 'cultural appropriation'?

DeVore

so does that mean i cant be racist because I'm Irish?

suicide_circus

When gender studies goes wrong.

who the fug

DeVore wrote: »

so does that mean i cant be racist because I'm Irish?

Only against Nordies and Kerrymen

silverfeather

MathDebater wrote: »

Hahaha. Yet she claims to be working class. White passing middle class girl pretends to be oppressed working class minority. Would that not be considered 'cultural appropriation'?

Where has she claimed to be working class?

looksee

Dealing with diversity by a policy of separation seems a bit counter-productive.

charlietheminxx

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

That's Ms Minnie Mouse to you :rolleyes:

Ms Minnie Moustafa I think you'll find :P

I read about this woman before, she's an absolutely head case. She's a self professing misandrist.

Someone who hates people based on their gender should not be given even a nominal amount of power as a representative in a university, that's without even bringing the race issue into it.

silverfeather

DeVore wrote: »

so does that mean i cant be racist because I'm Irish?

It would work in the UK.

silverfeather

charlietheminxx wrote: »

Ms Minnie Moustafa I think you'll find :P

I read about this woman before, she's an absolutely head case. She's a self professing misandrist.

Someone who hates people based on their gender should not be given even a nominal amount of power as a representative in a university, that's without even bringing the race issue into it.

Yeah I got she was off her head. I don't understand why she is a diversity officer.

suicide_circus

looksee wrote: »

Dealing with diversity by a policy of separation seems a bit counter-productive.

It's an industry.

Penny Tration

She's an ignorant cow.

Wang King

who the fug wrote: »

Only against Nordies and Kerrymen

Everyone hates us Kerrymen! We're the black Muslim,non recycling, feminists of Ireland!

anncoates

A student union diversity officer in Goldsmiths University.

This will definitely have a profound influence on the rest of the population.

smoking_kills

silverfeather wrote: »

Good fook! Are you sure? Linky??

Sorry don't mean to annoy you I believe you I am just interested.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054067/Pictured-Diversity-officer-banned-whites-anti-racism-event-British-university-wiping-away-fake-tear-no-white-men-sign.html

"She is understood to live with her mother Nursen, 55, father Ismail, 57, and sister Ipek, 23, in Enfield in a £450,000 three-bedroom terrace."

Its only a 3 bedroom, the horror!!!!

MathDebater

silverfeather wrote: »

Where has she claimed to be working class?

I googled her name to see if I could confirm that she lived in a half a million pound gaff. I found this;

I am a working class Turkish Cypriot, queer, disabled woman and activist.”.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/24/anger-over-attempt-to-exclude-whites-and-men-from-racial-diversity-event-at-british-university/

silverfeather

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

She's an ignorant cow.

She is opportunistic and apparently has a track record. It's not multiculturalism or feminism. It's simply her own egoism.

looksee

anncoates wrote: »

A student union diversity officer in Goldsmiths University.

This will definitely have a profound influence on the rest of the population.

About as much influence as a thread on Boards.ie, doesn't stop us commenting or having an opinion.

silverfeather

She also explained her coursework.

“I am particularly interested in looking at the gendered body in Japanese pornographic anime and horror through a Foucauldian framework

I seem to be doing that course.

anncoates

looksee wrote: »

doesn't stop us commenting or having an opinion.

As I just did?

stimpson

looksee wrote: »

Dealing with diversity by a policy of separation seems a bit counter-productive.

It all depends on how you define diversity. I find this one makes a little more sense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmj9HnbdhTc

Asmooh

You can be racist no matter what gender or colour!

Dozen Wicked Words

So 11 people turned up to her meeting? Wow, she isn't very good at her job is she.

FTA69

A few things, the value of her house is irrelevant really. It might be worth £450k but lots of normal people bought houses in the outskirts of London years ago for quite cheap and now they're worth a bomb due to the ridiculous property values we have. She's probably from an ordinary Turkish family as opposed to being massively privileged.

Second of all, she's a dope. Yes, I would agree with her that the power structures in our society are white-orientated and people of colour get a bad deal and have done so historically in the UK. However this notion that people of colour are beyond individual prejudice gives me the jip. My girlfriend is black and the amount of people who have given us sh*t is unreal, the vast vast majority of them being African women who are ignorant as f*ck about the history of race in this country it seems. We've had people eye-ball us on the tube and the street, kiss their teeth, tut etc and one woman who even asked her is she too good for black man?

That isn't part of any state power structure but it's wrong and hurtful prejudice and it really gets to my girlfriend at times, a black woman.

silverfeather

She is the Katie Hopkins of the left.


We have our own rent a gob hate figure now! YAY!!

LDN_Irish

"House worth half a million"

This has absolutely no bearing on your class in London anymore. My dad's house is worth 250k and it would actually shock you with how much of a ****hole it and the surrounding area is.

That's not to say your wan isn't a massive eejits.

Wibbs

Standard operational middle class Millennial© Social Justice Warrior(™) spouts the usual daftness from the bible of that gilded cage section of the Loony Left(™) who can't really push communism any more, not with a straight face, so we get this nonsense. Quickly, someone oppress her, so she can get her special snowflake merit badge. I don't think I've ever met one of these eejits that wasn't supported by mammy and daddy's bank account(or the state).

The problem with these muppets is that their clear and yes privileged daftness detracts from the actual issues out there in the world. They can even make things worse. Your Social Justice Warrior's(™) type of "feminism" holds a view of women that wouldn't be out of place in a victorian men's club, with their "trigger warnings" and "rape culture" and protection from "micro aggression" idiocy they're basically saying that women are too delicate to deal with the realities of a modern, safe, socially secure, liberal western culture and must be protected from it.

LDN_Irish

who the fug wrote: »

So in summary a Mickey Mouse™ official, in a Mickey Mouse™ students union, in a Mickey Mouse™ red brick says something

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldsmiths,_University_of_London

silverfeather

Wibbs wrote: »

Standard operational middle class Millennial© Social Justice Warrior(™) spouts the usual daftness from the bible of that gilded cage section of the Loony Left(™) who can't really push communism any more, not with a straight face, so we get this nonsense. Quickly, someone oppress her, so she can get her special snowflake merit badge. I don't think I've ever met one of these eejits that wasn't supported by mammy and daddy's bank account(or the state).

The problem with these muppets is that their clear and yes privileged daftness detracts from the actual issues out there in the world. They can even make things worse. Your Social Justice Warrior's(™) type of "feminism" holds a view of women that wouldn't be out of place in a victorian men's club, with their "trigger warnings" and "rape culture" and protection from "micro aggression" idiocy they're basically saying that women are too delicate to deal with the realities of a modern, safe, socially secure, liberal western culture and must be protected from it.

Sorry but this post is nonsense.

Wibbs

“I am particularly interested in looking at the gendered body in Japanese pornographic anime and horror through a Foucauldian framework"

:pac::pac::pac: Tea all over keyboard. You really couldn't make some of these gobshítes up.

silverfeather

Asmooh wrote: »

You can be racist no matter what gender or colour!

You can be. I would agree.

bjork

I bet she was a sexist racist before it was cool