If the Nazis had won WW2...

Kermit.de.frog

...what would the last 70 years have been like in Europe and here as well?

I think we would be nastier but more efficient and better workers - more machine than man really - German in other words.

I reckon some of the harsher elements of the nazi regime would have fallen over time in favour of more liberal politics much like the way the power of the catholic church in Ireland has drifted a way over time.

Imagine if Europe under a nazi regime had use of all those German scientists the US and Russia took for their space programs...

LadyAthame

We would have been gassed my friend.

roadrunner16

ughh.... We are not goering to do this again are we ?

Fine Gael with their roots in fascism would be in power, kowtowing to some megalomaniac who controlled the media.

So probably pretty much as we are.

The Backwards Man

The Hoff would save us.

Kermit.de.frog

We wouldn't have been gassed. Our grannys and granddads might have been.

LadyAthame

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We wouldn't have been gassed. Our grannys and granddads might have been.

We would have never have been born.

Never trust evil. Don't let the nazi's win!

cloud493

Another outstanding topic here OP. Suggesting that Nazi victory would have been better for the world, outstanding.

For Forks Sake

It's been covered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland_(novel)

B.A._Baracus

- Nazi's would have continued killing millions of more jews.
- Other ethnicities would have been killed too. All in the name of the blue eyed blonde master race goal.

syklops

LadyAthame wrote: »

We would have been gassed my friend.

Yeah those talented scientists would have been experimenting on us.

Kermit.de.frog

cloud493 wrote: »

Another outstanding topic here OP. Suggesting that Nazi victory would have been better for the world, outstanding.

Not saying it would have been "better" - far from it but there are pro's and con's in every scenario.

One being Germany need not have waited another 80 years to finally control the continent which they now do all be it under more enlightened governance.

cloud493

I'm sure the germans we have on here would appreciate being referred to as 'more machine than human'

893bet

Godwin's law would not exist.

LadyAthame

Boards is interesting again!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

...what would the last 70 years have been like in Europe and here as well?

I think we would be nastier but more efficient and better workers - more machine than man really - German in other words.

I reckon some of the harsher elements of the nazi regime would have fallen over time in favour of more liberal politics much like the way the power of the catholic church in Ireland has drifted a way over time.

Imagine if Europe under a nazi regime had use of all those German scientists the US and Russia took for their space programs...

"More machine than man"...? Good Christ is this pander to the lazy stereotype night or something?

There are a few books that go with the idea - try "Fatherland" for a start - but the thing to consider is: even if the Nazis had won, would they still be in power today?

folamh

The reaction against them would simply be delayed.

ygolometsipe

This could only work if the Nazis had the A.Bomb which would mean
some kind of stand off with the USA / Russia - hard to tell how the
cold war would have worked with three paranoid androids.

Still I would imagine the Germans would move to solidify the EU,
probably enact a bunch of laws to make the former states more aligned.
They might even bring in a common currency too, might call it the EURO
or something..

HOLY **** - !!!

The Diabolical Monocle

hitler had an Irish cousin, the Irish were cast in a good light in the German propaganda. Celtic races were respected. don't see why we'd have been gassed. Taken over and run as worker ants sure, but we're that now anyway.


(also Ireland was a Vatican asset so we'd have a good chance of surviving so long as el padre played ball)

Kermit.de.frog

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Still I would imagine the Germans would move to solidify the EU,
probably enact a bunch of laws to make the former states more aligned.
They might even bring in a common currency too, might call it the EURO
or something..

HOLY **** - !!!

Yeah could you imagine...

M.T. Cranium

Here are the main differences:

1. Germany would win the World Cup by decree rather than by actual superiority of play.

2. The internet would be a very dodgy place in ways that are different from reality.

3. People would still listen to radio and

4. Israel? Are you kidding me? Greater Syria, quite a thriving place although their relations with Greater Iran not so good now that Adolf Hitler III has passed away and weak, spineless men are running the Empire.

5. Japan -- same as now only cocky about it.

6. United States of North America -- still with the isolationism and lovin' it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

M.T. Cranium wrote: »

Here are the main differences:

1. Germany would win the World Cup by decree rather than by actual superiority of play.

2. The internet would be a very dodgy place in ways that are different from reality.

3. People would still listen to radio and

4. Israel? Are you kidding me? Greater Syria, quite a thriving place although their relations with Greater Iran not so good now that Adolf Hitler III has passed away and weak, spineless men are running the Empire.

5. Japan -- same as now only cocky about it.

6. United States of North America -- still with the isolationism and lovin' it.

1 - I just watched their ice hockey team get trounced 10-0 in the world cup, nothing any regeim coud do about that!

2 - Not as different as you could imagine. Although there would probably be less adds.

3 - They still do, I think.

4 - Isreal: intesting one this, but depending on how the US felt wuold either result in Isreal ceasing to exist, or WW3. Gaza would probably look the same.

5 - Agree

6 - See point 4.

Eugene Norman

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

hitler had an Irish cousin, the Irish were cast in a good light in the German propaganda. Celtic races were respected. don't see why we'd have been gassed. Taken over and run as worker ants sure, but we're that now anyway.


(also Ireland was a Vatican asset so we'd have a good chance of surviving so long as el padre played ball)

I'm not aware of any hostility to celts in pre war German nationalism although I am not the expert. The Nazis were extreme German nationalists and their enemies of Germany were historically to the east

LadyAthame

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I'm not aware of any hostility to celts in pre war German nationalism although I am not the expert. The Nazis were extreme German nationalists and their enemies of Germany were historically to the east

Not something to be proud of really.

Aongus Von Bismarck

Robert Harris wrote a novel called Fatherland dealing with such a concept.

OneArt

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think we would be nastier but more efficient and better workers - more machine than man really - German in other words.

HAHAHA. Efficient.

Unless it's to do with something highly technical like engineering or manufacturing, workers in Germany are generally quite inefficient. Most bureaucratic processes take so bloody long you're more likely to be dead by the time it's processed.

Don't get me started on the service in bars and restaurants over here either: you could easily be waiting half an hour for a drink even though there are only two tables and three wait staff on. From what I've seen of the way people work in the service industry here, they'd be fired almost instantly in most English-speaking countries.

There's also a thing about certificates here. You need to have X qualifications for a certain job in order to be hired. It doesn't matter if you're utterly useless at it: because you have a piece of paper (one stamped by the IHK, other certificates will not do!) then it means you can do the job, even if evidence points to the contrary.

This nonsense about Germany being efficient needs to stop. They have strengths and weaknesses like all countries. In many respects (such as dealing with civil servants and dodgy businesses) living here can be almost as frustrating as being in Ireland or the UK.

dxhound2005

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

hitler had an Irish cousin, the Irish were cast in a good light in the German propaganda. Celtic races were respected. don't see why we'd have been gassed. Taken over and run as worker ants sure, but we're that now anyway.


(also Ireland was a Vatican asset so we'd have a good chance of surviving so long as el padre played ball)

Not a cousin but a relation by marriage. Bridget Hitler (nee Dowling) married Alois, Adolf's half brother. She would have been Minister for Finance in the Irish Reich.

What line of business do you operate as an ant in yourself?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I'm not aware of any hostility to celts in pre war German nationalism although I am not the expert. The Nazis were extreme German nationalists and their enemies of Germany were historically to the east

They had quiet a few skirmishes with France over the years beforehand and also North as well as West and South. Being Celtic would have made no difference whatsover.

Xenji

We would have a vastly superior selection of beers and better sausages.

Shannon757

Xenji wrote: »

We would have a vastly superior selection of beers and better sausages.

Have you tried Superquinn sausages?:eek:

Manach

Not that much different to the Russia of the early 90s. At least according to writers like Harry Turtledove, in his book "In the presence of Mine enemies". Just as the Soviet gulags and their millions of victims are on the most part ignored and the today's progressives spout their Marxism inspired doctrine, in the counter-factual Europe most people would be leading lives as normal, only dimly aware they were living in a toxic society.

Xenji

Shannon757 wrote: »

Have you tried Superquinn sausages?:eek:

Alas I have not tasted the legend yet, Superquinn was always a rarity in the west.

folamh

The Nazis were a defragmented group containing moderates and extremists who were kept unified by a strong, charismatic leader with clear objectives. After Hitler's death and without a comparable successor, they probably would have broken into different political parties.

Eugene Norman

LadyAthame wrote: »

Not something to be proud of really.

Not something to feel either way. Nazis weren't primarily "white nationalists" but primarily extreme German nationalists. Hatred of Slavs and Jews was not replicated with hatred of Asians like Japan, or Turks, who were actual or historically German allies. They did feel superior to blacks and non-Europeans but so did white America and most Europeans. But it wasn't a major part of their propaganda.

Modern neo-Nazis are white racists which is why they exist in Russia. For a while that confused me -- it was as if Irish white nationalists adopted the symbolism of Cromwell or Ulster unionists -- but neo-nazzism has become a white nationalist movement divorced from its anti-Slavic past. It's still anti Semitic.

crockholm

Boards mods would not be banning people for giving out about "de romanians" as the people often mis-named as such would probably not be so visible.

Shannon757

Xenji wrote: »

Alas I have not tasted the legend yet, Superquinn was always a rarity in the west.

You have not lived my friend:D

Eugene Norman

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

They had quiet a few skirmishes with France over the years beforehand and also North as well as West and South. Being Celtic would have made no difference whatsover.

They had no plans to exterminate the French. Nor the Danish. Nor Norway, nor other western countries they invaded ( replacing the leadership yes). They planned to replace all of Eastern Europe with Germans, leaving a rump group of slaves at most, and started doing that during the war.

I swindled the NSA

Boards.ie would be called platen.de but the nach stunden forums existence would be short lived owing to an inability to recruit moderators because all suitable candidates would be too busy attending to their duties in the Irland regiment of the Waffen SS :pac:

Manach

I swindled the NSA wrote: »

Boards.ie would be called platen.de but the nach stunden forums existence would be short lived owing to an inability to recruit moderators because all suitable candidates would be too busy attending to their duties in the Irland regiment of the Waffen SS :pac:

und warum ist das ein Problem - damit bin Ich perfekt fur die rolle

dxhound2005

I swindled the NSA wrote: »

Boards.ie would be called platen.de but the nach stunden forums existence would be short lived owing to an inability to recruit moderators because all suitable candidates would be too busy attending to their duties in the Irland regiment of the Waffen SS :pac:

There would be loads of Vichy and Quisling mods to take their place.

ygolometsipe

Xenji wrote: »

Alas I have not tasted the legend yet, Superquinn was always a rarity in the whest.

that's better?

dxhound2005

ygolometsipe wrote: »

that's better?

That wurst.

LadyAthame

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That wurst.

Bratwurst

cml387

Apart from the excellent Fatherland by Robert Harris, I would also recommend SS-GB by Len Deighton and of course The King In The High Castle by Philip K Dick.

Go away and read those few (there are others ).

ygolometsipe

LadyAthame wrote: »

Bratwurst

very bold

Stojkovic

Well for a start the Nazis and by definition WWII and the Americans put a stop to British and French (and other) colonial genocide and brutality.

The fact it was replaced by something else is beside the point.

Maybe the point should be what if Nazi Germany didnt happen in the first place ?

Boreas

Better, in my opinion, than 'Fatherland' is Philip K Dick's 'Man in the High Castle'. There is also a TV version being produced by Amazon, the first episode is available online and is really good.

If you really want to think about a world where the Nazis won you have to think about what win means. If Germany and the UK had struck a peace deal after the fall of France, leaving Hitler a free hand in Russia for example that's very different to the Germans defeating the UK and USA in 1946 say. I find it hard to imagine German invading and occupying the USA.

Personally I think a convincing argument that a German victory in WWI would have been better can be made but nothing good would have come from a Nazi victory.

Eugene Norman

Interesting fact generally forgotten about WWII. Vichy France essentially became an axis ally and France's colonial armies sided with the axis. It wasn't reported at the time and has disappeared down the memory hole mostly since but France's army in Syria and the Levant fought against the Allies. That was a choice they made, the colonial French army could have decided that the Vichy regime wasn't legitimate and reported to de Gaulle, or surrendered or refused to fight with the occupiers of their country.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria–Lebanon_Campaign

To be fair the free French did fight against them and some of the prisoners taken after the Vichy troops lost changed sides, but not all.

Manach

On the French, I'd disagree. Wikipedia is not your friend. Instead if you read say the bios of De Gaulle you will see quoted numerous active support of the Free French clause. On the German side, a recent reading of Von Luck's Panzer Commander showed how well these French fought against the Germans: both in the Africa theatre as well in the liberation of their homeland.

Cienciano

Xenji wrote: »

Alas I have not tasted the legend yet, Superquinn was always a rarity in the west.

Prepare to be disappointed.

Thats also what I say to girls just before I pull down my pants

dxhound2005

Cienciano wrote: »

Prepare to be disappointed.

Thats also what I say to girls just before I pull down my pants

You don't have to disrobe to eat sausages.