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Blackie Grey

Part time job Id say maybe 1 flight a week perhaps

roundymac

http://atwonline.com/airports-routes/ryanair-nears-agreement-feeder-plans
I wonder had this anything to do with thursdays visit by FR from Dublin.

JCX BXC

roundymac wrote: »

http://atwonline.com/airports-routes/ryanair-nears-agreement-feeder-plans
I wonder had this anything to do with thursdays visit by FR from Dublin.

Where exactly would they feed from?

lisasimpson

Would we get cork lisbon back so?

roundymac

ww.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/news/michael-oleary-to-unveil-latest-ryanair-plan-for-belfast-expansion-34494413.html
I'm begining to suspect that O'Leary came to Cork to tell them why they WOULD'nt be getting any FR expansion.

roundymac

lisasimpson wrote: »

Would we get cork lisbon back so?

Unlikely, Lisbon was flogged to death, unfortunatly.

razorblunt

Shannon have agreed a deal with Norwegian Air too it seems:

http://clareherald.com/2016/03/shannon-confirms-deal-with-norwegian-air-75391/

Rhys Essien

razorblunt wrote: »

Shannon have agreed a deal with Norwegian Air too it seems:

http://clareherald.com/2016/03/shannon-confirms-deal-with-norwegian-air-75391/

Jesus,it's like one step forward and two steps back.

lisasimpson

Not good news for cork

JCX BXC

Why are people surprised?

It was fairly obvious from Day 1 what the motives of Norwegian were, but was it okay just because it was going to benefit Cork?

beer enigma

Norwegian approached Shannon before they approached Cork & todays press story is just Shannon stating this - which they are fully entitled to do. I think the CBP clearance at Shannon will actually cause more concern for the American Authorities than the non clearance at Cork. CBP is a 'clean' process with recognised Airlines and recognised procedures, even if Norwegian get Shannon, I doubt they will get CBP clearance.

I'm not long out of a briefing and looks hopeful for Cork, albeit delayed start

Edit: https://twitter.com/opinionline96/status/704637846712352768

rebs23

Carnacalla wrote: »

Why are people surprised?

It was fairly obvious from Day 1 what the motives of Norwegian were, but was it okay just because it was going to benefit Cork?

This is a Cork forum, what other kind of reaction would you expect? Of course we want more flight options.

Jamie2k9

CBP and SNN will have nothing to do with the decision for DY going to SNN.

JCX BXC

If you read.my posts you would see I'm.not in support of Norwegians plans for Shannon and I'm still of the opinion that Norwegian is only interested in both airports for reasons other than just getting into those markets.

kub

Carnacalla wrote: »

If you read.my posts you would see I'm.not in support of Norwegians plans for Shannon and I'm still of the opinion that Norwegian is only interested in both airports for reasons other than just getting into those markets.

I know what you are saying, a lot of grey areas with Norwegian but from Corks perspective, a route with them to Boston is better than anything we ever had across the Atlantic.

roundymac

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

CBP and SNN will have nothing to do with the decision for DY going to SNN.

If they go with the times they were going from Cork with then the CBP at SNN will be closed for the day. 3pm departure.

beer enigma

Cork Airport management in Boston and DC, as EU Commissioner Violeta Bulc threatens US with 'Open Skies' mediation to resolve the issue.

JCX BXC

roundymac wrote: »

If they go with the times they were going from Cork with then the CBP at SNN will be closed for the day. 3pm departure.

Not that its relevant, but I'm sure it could be extended if Norwegian ask nicely.

JCX BXC

Andip wrote: »

Cork Airport management in Boston and DC, as EU Commissioner Violeta Bulc threatens US with 'Open Skies' mediation to resolve the issue.

A clause of the Open Skies agreement is that it must not be used to avoid labour laws, could the Americans pull this card?

Rhys Essien

Carnacalla wrote: »

A clause of the Open Skies agreement is that it must not be used to avoid labour laws, could the Americans pull this card?

But Norwegian are already flying in and out of the States.At this stage I think we are being punished for being a 'tax haven' for their companies.What else can it be?.

roundymac

Carnacalla wrote: »

Not that its relevant, but I'm sure it could be extended if Norwegian ask nicely.

The afternoon EI flight from Dub does not preclear and some of the Boston flights did'nt either.

JCX BXC

roundymac wrote: »

The afternoon EI flight from Dub does not preclear and some of the Boston flights did'nt either.

Does it not? I thought it did!

Jamie2k9

roundymac wrote: »

The afternoon EI flight from Dub does not preclear and some of the Boston flights did'nt either.

They all clear

Not that its relevant, but I'm sure it could be extended if Norwegian ask nicely.

Unlikely, would take a lot more than 189 passengers to get it opened. I don't think they would use it anyway, cheaper doing it in US.

JCX BXC

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Unlikely, would take a lot more than 189 passengers to get it opened. I don't think they would use it anyway, cheaper doing it in US.

They open on TUE/WED/THURS in the depth of the winter when there's only 1 757 flight don't they?

Jamie2k9

Carnacalla wrote: »

They open on TUE/WED/THURS in the depth of the winter when there's only 1 757 flight don't they?

Very complex set up, those are stationed here all year. The problem is staff are restored to do x hours and whatever services fit around those hours clear however you then have to balance the level of passengers with the number of staff and how much they can handle.

They will not increase staff without a lot more demand, it took nearly 2 years to get them at DUB and demand was significantly higher. I expect if they can handle the extra passengers and DY want to use it within current times they can but I really cannot see any other options.

Price is what will make DY attractive so clearing here or the US isn't going to disadvantage them.

leahyl

Less of the smart alec comments please

leahyl

imurdaddy wrote: »

Cop on. If you have a problem with a post, you report it. Do not get into an argument on the thread. This is the last warning. I'm deleting the last few posts now because it's just bickering again, which was the main reason the thread had to be locked the first time

beer enigma

On a positive note, the Boston meetings went very well, there's a real desire from tourism Boston to get the link established and equal pressure on the authorities in the States as there is here. May take a while longer, but the signs are still good

Rhys Essien

If all else fails we will have to remind the Yanks that a Cork man named their country.

JCX BXC

highlydebased wrote: »

Glad somebody has finally written this article

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pilots-union-norwegian-airline-using-cork-as-a-pawn-386482.html

Above from the thread in Aviation and Aircraft.

beer enigma

Just to add some good news to the thread, according to the latest figures from the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) Cork Airport enjoyed “significant growth” of 8.7% during February.

Also for those who missed yesterdays press release:

"The first of two new Aer Lingus Regional year-round services from Cork Airport to Southampton and Leeds Bradford was launched today.

Flights to Southampton will depart five times weekly, while services to Leeds Bradford - commencing tomorrow - will fly three times a week. Both are operated by Stobart Air.

In addition, the carrier is to provide up to nine additional flights a week to Manchester, Newcastle and Glasgow.

Welcoming the two new routes, Cork Airport Managing Director Niall MacCarthy said: “We are delighted to continue our great relationship with Aer Lingus Regional and Stobart Air, who operate 10 services from Cork Airport.

“There are already a number of key provincial UK routes for passengers from the region and the addition of the new services offers even greater choice and connectivity across the UK.”

He added: “As well as boosting outbound business and leisure travel, the new Southampton and Leeds Bradford services with Aer Lingus Regional will generate a significant boost to the local economy by creating opportunities for the inbound tourism market.”

Mr MacCarthy said 2016 was a significant year for Cork Airport with additional new routes to Düsseldorf with Aer Lingus, Nantes and La Rochelle with CityJet, Madrid with Iberia Express as well as Menorca with Lee Travel and Stein Travel.”

Martin Saxton, Chief Commercial Officer at Stobart Air said the airline is delighted to expand its Cork services and has set ambitious targets for its Cork routes.

“Since announcing the expansion of our services from Cork Airport, bookings have been strong on both new and existing routes. Providing choice and regional connectivity is key and serving major UK cities from Cork is important for us and our customers.”"

razorblunt

They've changed the flight times to/from Edinburgh again.
Can't decide if I'm happy with the Cork to Edinburgh route being a 7am flight. Means I can fly on Monday morning and go straight to the office.
The Edinburgh to Cork flight is at 1pm though, so you have to talk the whole day off work to fly home.

JCX BXC

razorblunt wrote: »

They've changed the flight times to/from Edinburgh again.
Can't decide if I'm happy with the Cork to Edinburgh route being a 7am flight. Means I can fly on Monday morning and go straight to the office.
The Edinburgh to Cork flight is at 1pm though, so you have to talk the whole day off work to fly home.

The W rotation to SNN begins tomorrow hence the awkward schedule. Same happened with BHX.

razorblunt

Carnacalla wrote: »

The W rotation to SNN begins tomorrow hence the awkward schedule. Same happened with BHX.

Sorry, no idea what that means.
What's W?

JCX BXC

razorblunt wrote: »

Sorry, no idea what that means.
What's W?

Stobart Air closed their SNN base completely at the start of last year, pulling all routes. As there was still a market there they returned, but operating routes using Cork Aircraft.

So from tomorrow Edinburgh returns to Shannon, so now the aircraft has to fly Cork-Edinburgh-Shannon-Edinburgh-Cork, this is known as a "W rotation". As the aircraft must fly to Shannon also, theres a large gap between departure from Cork and arrival back at Cork.

razorblunt

Carnacalla wrote: »

Stobart Air closed their SNN base completely at the start of last year, pulling all routes. As there was still a market there they returned, but operating routes using Cork Aircraft.

So from tomorrow Edinburgh returns to Shannon, so now the aircraft has to fly Cork-Edinburgh-Shannon-Edinburgh-Cork, this is known as a "W rotation". As the aircraft must fly to Shannon also, theres a large gap between departure from Cork and arrival back at Cork.

Right, thanks, I got you.
I knew Shannon was coming back in alright, using it myself in September for a wedding in Clare.

They seem to change the times every quarter anyway so lets see what other times they'll pull out of the hat!

Jamie2k9

Feb passenger traffic up 9.3%

lisasimpson

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Feb passenger traffic up 9.3%

good to hear. any word on how the London city service is doing any pickup?

roundymac

I flew out of Cork at the start of March. Cityjet was boarding at the gate next to us. I counted 60 pax approx. It was a sunday afternoon flight.

KCAccidental

roundymac wrote: »

I flew out of Cork at the start of March. Cityjet was boarding at the gate next to us. I counted 60 pax approx. It was a sunday afternoon flight.

that's a bit better than a few months ago anyways!

Nemanrio

Booked flights to Edinburgh for the June Weekend- €77 flying from Dublin.

Priced it out of Cork, €300+. The times were crap too.

Farcical and depressing.

lisasimpson

300 euro!!! that's shocking

JCX BXC

Nemanrio wrote: »

Booked flights to Edinburgh for the June Weekend- €77 flying from Dublin.

Priced it out of Cork, €300+. The times were crap too.

Farcical and depressing.

€157pp (cheaper on surrounding dates)for FRI-MON June weekend from ORK Aer Lingus.
€39-€125pp for FRI-MON June weekend from DUB Ryanair.

Prices are a little more expensive out of cork, but that's more of a small airport problem, can't entice the LCC to keep the route.

At least do a fair comparison.

roundymac

€24 return on the bus, all for less than €100. Sad reading indeed, just price other routes out of Dublin with FR and EI and you'l see that they are cheaper in nearly all cases, a lot cheaper. The only other explaination could be that the Cork flight was heavily booked.

namloc1980

lisasimpson wrote: »

300 euro!!! that's shocking

Shocking indeed....I couldn't find any combination of flights from Cork to Edinburgh over that weekend that came close to €300. The most expensive (Friday to Monday) is €157. No idea where the poster was searching for flights or found these "shocking" €300+ ones. As for the bus, call me crazy but I actually place quite a premium on the convenience of being able to fly in/out of Cork rather than sitting on a bus for a 5/6 hour round trip to DUB.

razorblunt

namloc1980 wrote: »

Shocking indeed....I couldn't find any combination of flights from Cork to Edinburgh over that weekend that came close to €300. The most expensive (Friday to Monday) is €157. No idea where the poster was searching for flights or found these "shocking" €300+ ones. As for the bus, call me crazy but I actually place quite a premium on the convenience of being able to fly in/out of Cork rather than sitting on a bus for a 5/6 hour round trip to DUB.

I travel that route regularly and you can get unlucky with the price. I've seen the price go North of 250 a few times I have to say.
I have to plan all my flights months in advance, I'm coming home in a fortnight and I booked it in January.
Perhaps the poster was looking at the price for 2 passengers.

Worth remembering Shannon - Edinburgh is now open too.

lisasimpson

unfortunately for some routes they lack competition for lower prices. cork and the surrounding areas aren't big enough to support competition on routes..Im all for supporting Cork Airport and try to use it where possible but I have found the odd time in the past hard to justify the price difference

leahyl

How is the CityJet service to London City doing? Going in October myself - 111e return - not too bad. It's meant to be very convenient for getting into Central London anyway.

lisasimpson

Numbers are suppose to be improving

Nemanrio

Carnacalla wrote: »

€157pp (cheaper on surrounding dates)for FRI-MON June weekend from ORK Aer Lingus.
€39-€125pp for FRI-MON June weekend from DUB Ryanair.

Prices are a little more expensive out of cork, but that's more of a small airport problem, can't entice the LCC to keep the route.

At least do a fair comparison.

I selected the exact same dates on both websites, just different airport. How isn't that fair?

Price difference is massive.