The Beer Market Pub, Christ Church

Ipso

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

I hate the smell of cheese

Even worse than the taste.

billythefish99

Beer people who dont like cheese, sacriledge

Passenger

Very nice bar and pleasant experience with the staff on first visit. With the nooks and crannies upstairs and downstairs, it might be limited for space when busy however.

Great beer selection and most beers on tap were served in 33cl stemmed glasses and the pies appeared to be gobbled up left, right and center.

A beer menu detailing flavours and other additional details might be an idea and may save barstaff being expected to explain the particulars of every beer to customers when busy. Consulting the smartphone while reading the beerboard would be a nuisance. Removing a few of the stools at the bar might also free up a little space when busy. Overall though, good selection of beers, a nice atmosphere and an enjoyable experience.

BeerNut

Passenger wrote: »

A beer menu detailing flavours and other additional details might be an idea and may save barstaff being expected to explain the particulars of every beer to customers when busy. Consulting the smartphone while reading the beerboard would be a nuisance.

The beers change too often for that to be practical.

Ranchu

Nice staff and a good atmosphere but no IPA available in a pint which was dissapointing. I'm still not a fan of this policy of serving almost everything in 330ml glasses. Looking at the menu most of the drinks would have been working out at close to a tenner a pint. Anyway it was pretty dead on a Saturday night and that location is cursed so I'm afraid this place has no chance.

lk67

Ranchu wrote: »

Nice staff and a good atmosphere but no IPA available in a pint which was dissapointing. I'm still not a fan of this policy of serving almost everything in 330ml glasses. Looking at the menu most of the drinks would have been working out at close to a tenner a pint. Anyway it was pretty dead on a Saturday night and that location is cursed so I'm afraid this place has no chance.

I guess their argument would be that there's plenty of places to get pints of IPA, or other beers, but that they want to become a destination for beer tickers and those seeking the harder to get beers, both tourists and locals.

Ranchu

lk67 wrote: »

I guess their argument would be that there's plenty of places to get pints of IPA, or other beers, but that they want to become a destination for beer tickers and those seeking the harder to get beers, both tourists and locals.

That could be true but there wasn't really anything you wouldn't see elsewhere over time. There might have been a bigger selection on draught in one place but I just don't see how they think there are enough people to keep a customer base which is going to be largely male beer anoraks coming back on a consistent basis to turn a profit. I'd never be able to convince my missus to go in there for a pint, the crowd I was with were half female and they would have preferred to drink wine.

lk67

Ranchu wrote: »

That could be true but there wasn't really anything you wouldn't see elsewhere over time. There might have been a bigger selection on draught in one place but I just don't see how they think there are enough people to keep a customer base which is going to be largely male beer anoraks coming back on a consistent basis to turn a profit. I'd never be able to convince my missus to go in there for a pint, the crowd I was with were half female and they would have preferred to drink wine.

I was there last week and of the 18 beers on at least 75% were uncommon or very new releases so not sure if they will be anywhere else but they certainly hadn't been afaik, but I only get up to Dublin once a month or so. But that was last week of course...

I'd agree to an extent about the clientele, although there were both male and female drinkers when I was there, but beer nerds of both sexes do travel.

I was really just offering a suggestion of how they might be thinking. Personally I hope they do well.

BaZmO*

Ranchu wrote: »

That could be true but there wasn't really anything you wouldn't see elsewhere over time. There might have been a bigger selection on draught in one place but I just don't see how they think there are enough people to keep a customer base which is going to be largely male beer anoraks coming back on a consistent basis to turn a profit. I'd never be able to convince my missus to go in there for a pint, the crowd I was with were half female and they would have preferred to drink wine.

LOL

"Pint for the fella, glass of white wine, fruit based drink for the lady"

seiphil

Went in on Friday for the first time. I liked it. Thought the selection of beers was excellent. Only one pint on the menu but that didn't bother me.

Not mad on the premises and the layout mind you. 3 very small floors makes everything seem very tight. I hope it sticks around. Its good to go in for 2/3 drinks.

Ranchu

BaZmO* wrote: »

LOL

"Pint for the fella, glass of white wine, fruit based drink for the lady"

are you claiming that beer drinkers are 50/50 male to female ratio? Good one.

MonkstownHoop

Was there before and after vicar st Saturday night, I really liked it as did the OH, she likes Camden Hells lager so pints of that for her as I tried a few different drinks, actually thought it was bigger than had been described here.

Realt Dearg Sec

Ranchu wrote: »

are you claiming that beer drinkers are 50/50 male to female ratio? Good one.

Where did anyone claim that?

Ranchu

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Where did anyone claim that?

While not claiming that exactly Bazmo finds the idea of the majority of men drinking beer and ladies drinking wine or spirits amusing. Maybe he just has a strange sense of humour.

billythefish99

Ranchu wrote: »

While not claiming that exactly Bazmo finds the idea of the majority of men drinking beer and ladies drinking wine or spirits amusing. Maybe he just has a strange sense of humour.

Its a specialist beer bar for people who like interesting and unusual beer - men and women, its not for ladies who drink wine. I dont know why this is so difficult for people to get their heads around. Someone opens a specialist venue and people complain that it should be more like every other venue, I dont get it.

Ranchu

billythefish99 wrote: »

Its a specialist beer bar for people who like interesting and unusual beer - men and women, its not for ladies who drink wine. I dont know why this is so difficult for people to get their heads around. Someone opens a specialist venue and people complain that it should be more like every other venue, I dont get it.

I never said it was. If you read my post you'd see that. What I did say was that I think they'll find it hard to keep a profitable amount of customers coming through the door as the place is so niche. Again, I was there on Saturday night and there was about 30 people in it when I arrived and about 10 by kicking out time.

limnam

Ranchu wrote: »

I never said it was. If you read my post you'd see that. What I did say was that I think they'll find it hard to keep a profitable amount of customers coming through the door as the place is so niche. Again, I was there on Saturday night and there was about 30 people in it when I arrived and about 10 by kicking out time.

The L muligan has potentially an even worse location, less room and targeting a very similar clientele and I've never been in it when it wasn't jammers.

I'm not sure how niche a pub selling craft beer is now...

Ranchu

limnam wrote: »

The L muligan has potentially an even worse location, less room and targeting a very similar clientele and I've never been in it when it wasn't jammers.

I'm not sure how niche a pub selling craft beer is now...

Mulligans has a food menu and does wine and spirits.

limnam

Ranchu wrote: »

Mulligans has a food menu and does wine and spirits.

The beer market does pies n cheese etc no?

I'm not sure a few bottles of plonk is going to make it or break it.

Ranchu

It does reheated pies. Mulligans has top notch lunch and dinner menu so there's no comparison. If they had a few bottles of wine behind the bar I could go there, they don't so I have no chance.

limnam

Ranchu wrote: »

It does reheated pies. Mulligans has top notch lunch and dinner menu so there's no comparison. If they had a few bottles of wine behind the bar I could go there, they don't so I have no chance.

I'm not trying to compare the menu.

You have a place targeted at people who enjoy craft beer
You have food.
You have two places with not the best locations
What you don't have is a glass of wine for some folks missus who won't drink craft beer.
This is not going to make or break a place like the beer market.

When against the grain opened they said it would sink because there was no Guinness we're well past this. Surely..

Ranchu

limnam wrote: »

I'm not trying to compare the menu.

You have a place targeted at people who enjoy craft beer
You have food.
You have two places with not the best locations
What you don't have is a glass of wine for some folks missus who won't drink craft beer.
This is not going to make or break a place like the beer market.

When against the grain opened they said it would sink because there was no Guinness we're well past this. Surely..

I don't think so. It's a massively brave business model but I think there will be a row back in a couple of months time. We'll see though.

I know it's a new bar but on a Saturday night of a bank holiday weekend most pubs in town are packed. The late bar I went to after about a 5 minute walk away had a queue down the street.

billythefish99

Ranchu wrote: »

I know it's a new bar but on a Saturday night of a bank holiday weekend most pubs in town are packed. The late bar I went to after about a 5 minute walk away had a queue down the street.

This is not the model of specialist beer bars. The target clientele does not want to be in a packed bar late at night. Its not a high volume model, hence the higher prices. It works all over Europe and the US, it will work in Dublin. Just because Paddy the pint drinker doesnt get it doesnt affect that.

Ranchu

billythefish99 wrote: »

This is not the model of specialist beer bars. The target clientele does not want to be in a packed bar late at night. Its not a high volume model, hence the higher prices. It works all over Europe and the US, it will work in Dublin. Just because Paddy the pint drinker doesnt get it doesnt affect that.

It doesn't matter what way you try and spin it, every bar needs bodies through the door. There's a handful of posters here who've been there so far and a handful over on the beoir forum.

lk67

Ranchu wrote: »

It doesn't matter what way you try and spin it, every bar needs bodies through the door. There's a handful of posters here who've been there so far and a handful over on the beoir forum.

Well it was nicely busy last Saturday afternoon is my only experience, but I don't know how many Boards or Beoir posters were in, we're a rare and shy lot you know?

And perhaps people other than us might go in there too.

oblivious

seiphil wrote:

Went in on Friday for the first time. I liked it. Thought the selection of beers was excellent. Only one pint on the menu but that didn't bother me.

limnam wrote:

The L muligan has potentially an even worse location, less room and targeting a very similar clientele and I've never been in it when it wasn't jammers.

It's is a lagre residential area from there to castleknock of young/ middle class that are will to spend . Also they has a massive selection of whiskey and very good food, that attracts people independent body the craft beer offerings

limnam

oblivious wrote: »

It's is a lagre residential area from there to castleknock of young/ middle class that are will to spend . Also they has a massive selection of whiskey and very good food, that attracts people independent body the craft beer offerings

Stoneybatter to phib to cabra I'm not sure where all the middle class money is.

Anytime I've been there the focus has been the beer offerings the food is a background noise. I'm not suggesting they don't make much money from it. I just feel mulligans could pull in the crowds regardless of it.

I'm sure if you talked them I bet they had a few quiet weekends in the early days.

oblivious

limnam wrote: »

Stoneybatter to phib to cabra I'm not sure where all the middle class money is.

Anytime I've been there the focus has been the beer offerings the food is a background noise. I'm not suggesting they don't make much money from it. I just feel mulligans could pull in the crowds regardless of it.

I'm sure if you talked them I bet they had a few quiet weekends in the early days.

37 runs out to castleknock, also along navan road. the Mannor street area is very mixed these the days plenty if young professionals beat have moved in over the last few years.


They probably could get a crows as solo pub, but it's has a very good rep as a foodies place.

Looks at wj kavanagh, similar set up but never the crowds that mulligans has. at least when I have been there

limnam

oblivious wrote: »

37 runs out to castleknock, also along navan road. the Mannor street area is very mixed these the days plenty if young professionals beat have moved in over the last few years.

Middle class profesional foodies are not on the 37

oblivious wrote: »

They probably could get a crows as solo pub, but it's has a very good rep as a foodies place.

Looks at wj kavanagh, similar set up but never the crowds that mulligans has. at least when I have been there

Mulligan has a bit of an advantage as IIRC it was one of the first to have such a large selection. The staff IMO are top notch in the mulligan from the bar to the floor which has huge pull for me if I was on that side of the city I wouldn't go anywhere else.

It takes time and the beer market will get it's own reg's it should do well coming into the summer months with tourists also. But they need to do some marketing also. The only place I saw anything about them was here.

BeerNut

limnam wrote: »

they need to do some marketing also. The only place I saw anything about them was here.

It's climbing the chart on RateBeer, which is pretty much the target audience.