Mart Price Tracker

Miname

welton john wrote: »

there in black and white for you, like i said IF they were good stock they would make 2/kg did not say average.agree tho aa never make that http://farmersforum.ie/data/marts/kilmallock_cattle_mart_2016-02-08_1455034707.pdf

There in black and white some friesains made 2 a kilo and then 1250 beside it that's a different ball park altogether, they went straight to the factory more than likely and were there to fill an agents quota. And also if you read over you'll see 1150 never mind 1200 is way over for the 2 heifers. People need to be realistic everyone thinks they have the best stock until they are standing in a pen next to the neighbours average ones. I don't finish that often and only buy in replacements or heifers but I go out and research what stock makes. There are far too many people mention the cattle at 3€ a kilo and forget about the lads that sold At 1.20€. I got caught with a load of friesains Bulls a couple of years ago and had to let them off for nothing. Any lad paying 2 a kilo would want his head examined unless they are blues disguised as friesains.

welton john

Miname wrote: »

There in black and white some friesains made 2 a kilo and then 1250 beside it that's a different ball park altogether, they went straight to the factory more than likely and were there to fill an agents quota. And also if you read over you'll see 1150 never mind 1200 is way over for the 2 heifers. People need to be realistic everyone thinks they have the best stock until they are standing in a pen next to the neighbours average ones. I don't finish that often and only buy in replacements or heifers but I go out and research what stock makes. There are far too many people mention the cattle at 3€ a kilo and forget about the lads that sold At 1.20€. I got caught with a load of friesains Bulls a couple of years ago and had to let them off for nothing. Any lad paying 2 a kilo would want his head examined unless they are blues disguised as friesains.

Factory fit stock has nothing to do with it.I replied to a poster asking the value of 300kg stock and i was at that mart at that particular day good quality bfr bullocks(not the average) from 250 to 350kg made 2k/g.At another mart wednesday and they were back 10/15c for similar. i just told him what they were making that day. Whether me or you think they worth that is irelevant.prices vary at different marts and if theyre cheaper your neck of the woods and your buying then all the better for you.

Wes Palmer Lee

Wes Palmer Lee wrote: »

If nice sorts suitable for breeding I'd say 1150 and 1200+

If Plain Janes then 200 less each..

Has anyone seen any good quality Cows+Calves sold ?

By "nice sorts" I mean suckler type stock, not Fr bred.
Believe me, they are making it.
I agree with last poster also. I don't particularly care whether you think they are worth it or not so don't shoot the messenger...!

Bass Reeves

There are two articles any farmer should read in the journal this week. One is about a Kepack finishing on page 12 and the other is by Andy Doyle about grain. The Kepack lad speaking at a seminar spoke about losing 100/head on finishing weanlings and his thinking was that the weanlings were too expensive. It hard to believe that if he is losing 100/head ( he has reduced his losses to 0.2% I think) another finisher can beat that by 200/head so as to have a margin

The other article by Andy Doyle speaks about the present grain oversupply. His point is that with present over supply farmers should cease production from low yielding headlands and fields as well as from expensive conacre. He points out that market signals are not good and we are looking at lower prices than last year for product. He points out that there is so much grain in storage world wide and productions increasing that even a global events that might reduce stocks ( a late frost in Europe and the US or a poor harvest in the southern hemisphere) will not impact on price.

You might ask what has this to do with a mart price tracker thread.

I agree with last poster also. I don't particularly care whether you think they are worth it or not so don't shoot the messenger...!

Whether me or you think they worth that is irelevant.prices vary at different marts and if theyre cheaper your neck of the woods and your buying then all the better for you.



In the last few post we had a discussion on yearling FR's and a few of us pointed out with the outlook for cattle that 2/kg even for good BFr stock is a loser for the buyer. TBH at present with the outlook for 2015 cattle ( the numbers are well up) lads that buy them should not be whinging at year end if they lose a few hundred/head selling them or carrying them for slaughter.

So how do you protect yourself if you need to buy some for whatever reason. As Andy Doyle says you use what ever means possible to reduce your exposure. Buy less fertlizer, get out of rented land that is expensive, buy less cattle. A strong yearling price this year encourages those that produces these cattle to buy extra calves and pay more for them which increases the cycle of losses.

tanko

Ah, poor aul Jonathan Forbes still whinging about the price of weanlings. He wouldn't be happy if he was getting them for nothing.
Why doesn't he rear his own, he'll be a millionaire in no time.

Bass Reeves

tanko wrote: »

Ah, poor aul Jonathan Forbes still whinging about the price of weanlings. He wouldn't be happy if he was getting them for nothing.
Why doesn't he rear his own, he'll be a millionaire in no time.

This has very little to do with Jonathan Forbes. The sum's are not adding up for next year. Looking at it the factory's will be imposing a weight limit of 380kgs. So if a good quality 330kg suckler weanling costs 1K in the yard what will he make at slaughter.

If you take him to 370kgs DW he will make

1554@4.2/kg
1665@4.5/kg
1443@3.9/kg

For base prices deduct about 20c/kg. The animal will need to double his weigh about 670/kg to achieve this DW. I agree that the suckler man needs these prices to be viable however the finisher needs a margin as well.

patsy_mccabe

tanko wrote: »

Ah, poor aul Jonathan Forbes still whinging about the price of weanlings. He wouldn't be happy if he was getting them for nothing.
Why doesn't he rear his own, he'll be a millionaire in no time.

Exactly. I'd love to see those guys up ay 4AM trying to get a live calf out of a mad heifer.:D

tanko

€1000 for a 330kg weanling????
I see loads of 330kg U grade weanlings sold for €820 and less every autumn.

Farrell

tanko wrote: »

€1000 for a 330kg weanling????
I see loads of 330kg U grade weanlings sold for €820 and less every autumn.

Not much different at the present.
Why should our top quality weanling be kept at stupid prices & not exported to be finished in Countries where the Finisher can make a margin?
With prices the factories are offering & weight limits, you'd need cheap dairy bred calves if they could be sourced

Bass Reeves

tanko wrote: »

€1000 for a 330kg weanling????
I see loads of 330kg U grade weanlings sold for €820 and less every autumn.

At present 6-9 month old weanlings off sucklers are making about that. That is what I was working my figures off

Farrell wrote: »

Not much different at the present.
Why should our top quality weanling be kept at stupid prices & not exported to be finished in Countries where the Finisher can make a margin?
With prices the factories are offering & weight limits, you'd need cheap dairy bred calves if they could be sourced

Because at present Irish farmers are paying prices for calves and weanlings that exporters cannot compete with.

tellmeabit

hey All,
im looking to off load a few animals, but haven't been in mart in a bit, any one want give a rough estimate at what the following are making around the country.

12 month old CH heifer about 400-430kg x 2
and 6 month CH Bull 320kg x2.
should the heifers be sold together or separate?

what do buyers look for, animals at a certain age or weight?
thanks guys for any input?

Miname

tellmeabit wrote: »

hey All,
im looking to off load a few animals, but haven't been in mart in a bit, any one want give a rough estimate at what the following are making around the country.

12 month old CH heifer about 400-430kg x 2
and 6 month CH Bull 320kg x2.
should the heifers be sold together or separate?

what do buyers look for, animals at a certain age or weight?
thanks guys for any input?

950 plus for heifers 850 plus for Bulls if there is any shape to them.

Robson99

tellmeabit wrote: »

hey All,
im looking to off load a few animals, but haven't been in mart in a bit, any one want give a rough estimate at what the following are making around the country.

12 month old CH heifer about 400-430kg x 2
and 6 month CH Bull 320kg x2.
should the heifers be sold together or separate?

what do buyers look for, animals at a certain age or weight?
thanks guys for any input?

Dont know bout bulls but heifers if U grade will make 1075 to 1150

J DEERE

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Exactly. I'd love to see those guys up ay 4AM trying to get a live calf out of a mad heifer.:D

Any man who's up at 4am trying to get a live calf out of a mad heifer needs to take a look at his system

Western Pomise

Have not stood in a mart since backend...have a few nice ChX weanlings to go in next few weeks,Bulls and heifers,born May around 320 kg.

Have heard weanlings back up to € 100 euro a head on last year.....is that the case?

Bass Reeves

Western Pomise wrote: »

Have not stood in a mart since backend...have a few nice ChX weanlings to go in next few weeks,Bulls and heifers,born May around 320 kg.

Have heard weanlings back up to € 100 euro a head on last year.....is that the case?

These are the type of cattle that are making crazy prices. The bulls are selling better than the heifers. Good Ch bulls (the redish/golden ones) 280-340 kgs are making 2.5-3/kg. If a farmer is bidding from the back he has to pay 3/kg for them. Heifers seem to be maxing out at about 2.5/kg. If these were 100kg heavier they in general would not make much more and maybe less.

I cannot see a margin for the buyer, in truth most will lose money once costs are deducted.

Willfarman

A few nice char bullocks 330kg brought 1170 in tullow last Friday I'm told. Sell sell sell lads!

patsy_mccabe

In fairness, the guy selling these isn't making huge profits either. He has fed them for a winter now aswell.

patsy_mccabe

J DEERE wrote: »

Any man who's up at 4am trying to get a live calf out of a mad heifer needs to take a look at his system

Explain that one. Change to day calving heifers?:rolleyes:

croot

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Explain that one. Change to day calving heifers?:rolleyes:

5* heifers calve during the day
1* heifers calve at 4am........:D

Western Pomise

Bass Reeves wrote: »

These are the type of cattle that are making crazy prices. The bulls are selling better than the heifers. Good Ch bulls (the redish/golden ones) 280-340 kgs are making 2.5-3/kg. If a farmer is bidding from the back he has to pay 3/kg for them. Heifers seem to be maxing out at about 2.5/kg. If these were 100kg heavier they in general would not make much more and maybe less.

I cannot see a margin for the buyer, in truth most will lose money once costs are deducted.

So they are not back much on last year then?....good to hear trade has steadied a bit as had heard after Christmas things were v sticky....mine would not be exceptional by any means but well made straight stock.

Cassidy2

Willfarman wrote: »

A few nice char bullocks 330kg brought 1170 in tullow last Friday I'm told. Sell sell sell lads!

That's unreal.How is that making sense

Wes Palmer Lee

Yeah Mohill was crazy on Saturday too..

Plain ch Feeding Heifers 400kg making 1150+
Nice goldie types 340kg made 1100+

A classy one for bulling 610kg made 1800

Where's it all going to end?

Robson99

Western Pomise wrote: »

Have not stood in a mart since backend...have a few nice ChX weanlings to go in next few weeks,Bulls and heifers,born May around 320 kg.

Have heard weanlings back up to € 100 euro a head on last year.....is that the case?

U grade chx heifers 375 to 425 kg costing 2.75 /kg. Very same as last year. However 4.05 in factory at present compared to 4.30 this time last year. Heavy cattle back but I dont see much change in the weanlings

cute geoge

What would one expect for july he bull 280kg good quality

badshot

3 bb heifers weanlings in elphin yesterday
450 kgs 1450 euro
395 kgs 1325 euro
430kgs 1360 euro

J DEERE

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Explain that one. Change to day calving heifers?:rolleyes:

4am calvings can't be avoided at times but we have found that feeding at night certainly helps

Trying to get a live calf out of a cow insinuates that you are intervening in the calving of the cow. Using easy calving sires and controlling feed intake and management eliminates this. Too often farmers intervene when it's not necessary. Human intervention should be a last resort

Last and most important, mad heifers/cows should have no place on a farm. Saying that, all animals have the potential to be dangerous at calving which is why restraints such as a calving gate are essential on all farms if assistance is necessary

These are just basic good farming practices, shouldn't really need to explain it

tanko

Some prices i saw today

Bulls
CHX 05/15 350 960
LMX 04/15 335 850
CHX 03/15 400 1090
CHX 04/15 365 1020
SIMX 03/15 390 840
SIMX 04/15 380 910
CHX 08/15 365 970
CHX 08/15 330 890
CHX 05/15 435 970
CHX 06/15 435 980
CHX 04/15 435 900
Black Lim 05/15 420 1000
SIM 11/14 585 1000
SIM 10/14 490 900
Black Lim 01/15 500 1160
BBX 05/15 420 1090
CHX 05/15 390 980
Red Lim 04/15 455 1110
CHX 06/15 360 940
Mostly U grades and some E grades.

Cows
10 FR 560 790
11 FR 540 790
12 Sim heifer 790 1470
12 Sim heifer 815 1535
06 AAX 855 1430
02 FR 600 785
05 FR 580 815
11 FR 565 850
10 FR 650 900
13 SHX 610 925
03 SIX 580 800
09 Lim 720 1315
12 BWH 700 1230
12 BWH heifer 845 1440
12 SIX heifer 640 1075
06 CHX 715 1200
10 FR 635 850

patsy_mccabe

J DEERE wrote: »

4am calvings can't be avoided at times but we have found that feeding at night certainly...

I always feed in the evenings.

J DEERE wrote: »

...Trying to get a live calf out of a cow insinuates that you are intervening in the calving of the cow. Using easy calving sires and controlling feed intake and management eliminates this. Too often farmers intervene when it's not necessary. Human intervention should be a last resort it

'Trying to get a live calf out of a heifer' means just that. I never said anything about intervening too early. Legs drop down, calves come backwards. Calf may be too big. Happens in the real world despite our best efforts. I always use easy calving AI bulls on heifers and I do restrict feeding, but Sh1te happens as they say.

Dozer1

cheers for those prices tanko
one would wonder what those cattle would be in the autumn.

I have 5 heifers to go in a few weeks and a batch of heifers for later in the year aswell, seriously tempted to let them all off as I not sure what demand there will be for them later in the year.