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Pulao Diet - Few Questions

  • 08-04-2015 7:59pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭subscriber


    Hi all,

    Have a stone to loose around the middle and have opted to go with the pulao diet as it doesn't involve counting calories which I know I wouldn't stick to.,

    Few questions in relation to the diet as I'm new to dieting as well.

    What is the story with nuts and peas on this diet? I have no knowledge in relation to the breakdown of this category of food, eg-legumes, peas, ect... are they allowed? Chick peas, cashews?

    Sauces- It will be impossible to eat just meat and veg only every day without at least having the odd sauce with some dinners. I have looked up recipes for homemade sauces which mostly include just passata, spices and onions but there is a small percentage of the sauces (the milder ones) that do include some natural yogurt as part of the cooking recipe. Is it really breaking the rules of pulao that much to have the odd sauce that includes a bit of natural yogurt?

    Decaffeinated - allowed or not allowed? I know regular coffee is not allowed but is that purely because of the caffeine so will decaf ne allowed?


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  • subscriber wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Have a stone to loose around the middle and have opted to go with the pulao diet as it doesn't involve counting calories which I know I wouldn't stick to.,

    Few questions in relation to the diet as I'm new to dieting as well.

    What is the story with nuts and peas on this diet? I have no knowledge in relation to the breakdown of this category of food, eg-legumes, peas, ect... are they allowed? Chick peas, cashews?

    Sauces- It will be impossible to eat just meat and veg only every day without at least having the odd sauce with some dinners. I have looked up recipes for homemade sauces which mostly include just passata, spices and onions but there is a small percentage of the sauces (the milder ones) that do include some natural yogurt as part of the cooking recipe. Is it really breaking the rules of pulao that much to have the odd sauce that includes a bit of natural yogurt?

    Decaffeinated - allowed or not allowed? I know regular coffee is not allowed but is that purely because of the caffeine so will decaf ne allowed?

    Paleo??


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    It doesn't matter if you eat like a caveman, losing weight is 100% to do with the amount of calories you eat regardless of whether a caveman had access to them

    Just eat real food. You would be better off eating like your grandparents and having a decent idea of your calorie intake


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,901 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Paleo isn't a weight loss diet. It's simply a lifestyle diet.
    If your goal is to lose weight then you need to educate yourself on weightloss.

    There's a few versions of paleo. None are more "correct" than others. But personally I think some are better.
    Nuts are included in all. Peanuts (legumes) not always included.
    Dairy can be in or out, to various degrees. A lot exclude milk and yogurt but will allow butter and sometimes cheese.
    I've never heard of caffine being excluded. Bulletproof coffee is very heavily paleo influenced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭freddie1970


    Paleo diet is v difficult I'm on it cause of an autoimmune disease and even then it's v hard to stick to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭crestglan


    There is so many health kicks these days how do you know whats best i WAS WATCHING a program on tele the other night about nutrition and diet and it explained that fruit and veg have lost a lot of their nutrients and 5 a day is not enough that you would nearly have to take a least 15 portions of fruit and veg a day how the hell could you fit in 15 portions of fruit and veg a day????????????


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    National Geographic did a fascinating article last year looking at tribal diets around the world. It's a far more realistic look at the way people adapt to eat what's available in different parts of the world.

    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/evolution-of-diet/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    crestglan wrote:
    There is so many health kicks these days how do you know whats best i WAS WATCHING a program on tele the other night about nutrition and diet and it explained that fruit and veg have lost a lot of their nutrients and 5 a day is not enough that you would nearly have to take a least 15 portions of fruit and veg a day how the hell could you fit in 15 portions of fruit and veg a day????????????


    Don't believe everything you see on TV would be my advice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,708 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Blacktie. wrote: »
    Don't believe everything you see on TV would be my advice

    This.


    If I believed everything these shows on TV told me, then I'd think everything gave me cancer. I'd then want to wrap myself in cotton wool, only to be told that cotton wool gives you cancer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Eat less. Walk more. Job done.

    ^^

    It'd be a short book, which is why it hasn't been written, but it's been working with a 100% success rate from a time long before books existed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    This.


    If I believed everything these shows on TV told me, then I'd think everything gave me cancer.

    The irony being that de telly would have given you cancer inanwayas.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    The irony being that de telly would have given you cancer inanwayas.

    If you're into eating tellys, I'd say cancer would be the least if your worries...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    endacl wrote: »
    If you're into eating tellys, I'd say cancer would be the least if your worries...

    I meant the cancerous rays emitted from the tv.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    crestglan wrote: »
    There is so many health kicks these days how do you know whats best i WAS WATCHING a program on tele the other night about nutrition and diet and it explained that fruit and veg have lost a lot of their nutrients and 5 a day is not enough that you would nearly have to take a least 15 portions of fruit and veg a day how the hell could you fit in 15 portions of fruit and veg a day????????????

    :D I lol'd


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    crestglan wrote: »
    There is so many health kicks these days how do you know whats best i WAS WATCHING a program on tele the other night about nutrition and diet and it explained that fruit and veg have lost a lot of their nutrients and 5 a day is not enough that you would nearly have to take a least 15 portions of fruit and veg a day how the hell could you fit in 15 portions of fruit and veg a day????????????

    easy
    breakfast: oats with apple & blueberries - 2
    lunch: lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, sweetcorn, cucumber - 5
    dinner: broccoli, carrots, mushrooms, courgettes, peas, 5
    snacks: oranges, bananas, pears - 3

    15 portions - this would be an average day for me, give or take a few different types of veg & fruit.
    Obviously you can add protein into your lunch & dinner if you wish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,901 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Firedance wrote: »
    easy
    breakfast: oats with apple & blueberries - 2
    lunch: lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, sweetcorn, cucumber - 5
    dinner: broccoli, carrots, mushrooms, courgettes, peas, 5
    snacks: oranges, bananas, pears - 3

    15 portions - this would be an average day for me, give or take a few different types of veg & fruit.
    Obviously you can add protein into your lunch & dinner if you wish.

    That's 15 different fruits and vegetables, not 15 portions.
    maybe 8 portions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Mellor wrote: »
    That's 15 different fruits and vegetables, not 15 portions.
    maybe 8 portions.

    http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/Portionsizes.aspx

    Id have to disagree given I didn't give any information on the portion size I eat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    I meant the cancerous rays emitted from the tv.

    What?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Saipanne wrote: »
    What?

    I wasn't being entirely serious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,901 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Firedance wrote: »
    http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/Portionsizes.aspx

    Id have to disagree given I didn't give any information on the portion size I eat.
    Well you still haven't given portion sizes?
    Maybe you are eating huge amount soft veg and little else.

    My point is if I have oats and blueberries for breakfast, that’s typically one portion.
    I, the nest day, I have blueberries and strawberries, that doesn’t suddenly become 2 portions unless the quantity is doubled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Mellor wrote: »
    Well you still haven't given portion sizes?
    Maybe you are eating huge amount soft veg and little else.

    My point is if I have oats and blueberries for breakfast, that’s typically one portion.
    I, the nest day, I have blueberries and strawberries, that doesn’t suddenly become 2 portionsunless the quantity is doubled.

    ok no problem, here's the breakdown.

    breakfast: oats 1 portion of blueberries followed by 1 whole apple - 2
    lunch: lettuce, 1 tomato, 1 5cm slice of pepper, 3 tbls of sweetcorn, 1 5 cm slice of cucumber - 5
    dinner: 2 broccoli spears (min), 2 tbls carrots,3 large mushrooms, 5cm courgette, 3 tbls peas, 5
    snacks: 1 x orange, 1 x banana, 1 x pears - 3

    the only thing I haven't quantified is the lettuce, I may not eat enough of that to make 1 full portion however, I'd often eat more than 2 broccoli spears. Yes you're right I eat a lot of veg and fruit and very little else, for e.g I don't have any other carbs with my dinner, the carbs in the veg is more than sufficient for me. I'm only trying to point out that its possible to eat much more than your '5 a day' if you wanted to. Lunch often includes Tuna, dinner usually includes some chicken or salmon.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Firedance wrote: »
    ok no problem, here's the breakdown.

    breakfast: oats 1 portion of blueberries followed by 1 whole apple - 2
    lunch: lettuce, 1 tomato, 1 5cm slice of pepper, 3 tbls of sweetcorn, 1 5 cm slice of cucumber - 5
    dinner: 2 broccoli spears (min), 2 tbls carrots,3 large mushrooms, 5cm courgette, 3 tbls peas, 5
    snacks: 1 x orange, 1 x banana, 1 x pears - 3

    the only thing I haven't quantified is the lettuce, I may not eat enough of that to make 1 full portion however, I'd often eat more than 2 broccoli spears. Yes you're right I eat a lot of veg and fruit and very little else, for e.g I don't have any other carbs with my dinner, the carbs in the veg is more than sufficient for me. I'm only trying to point out that its possible to eat much more than your '5 a day' if you wanted to. Lunch often includes Tuna, dinner usually includes some chicken or salmon.

    Do you eat any fat? Fat soluble vitamins need fat to be absorbed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    ford2600 wrote: »
    Do you eat any fat? Fat soluble vitamins need fat to be absorbed

    yes absolutely, I use olive oil or coconut oil to stir fry my veg or on my salads and I eat the oats & fruit with greek yoghurt, I'd have milk too and sometimes but a small knob of butter on my veg if I've steamed them. Other snacks include nuts / nut butter / humus. I would hope I cover all the good food groups, or at least I try too. Water consumption (too little) is my big downfall, along with chocolate (too much) :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Firedance wrote: »
    yes absolutely, I use olive oil or coconut oil to stir fry my veg or on my salads and I eat the oats & fruit with greek yoghurt, I'd have milk too and sometimes but a small knob of butter on my veg if I've steamed them. Other snacks include nuts / nut butter / humus. I would hope I cover all the good food groups, or at least I try too. Water consumption (too little) is my big downfall, along with chocolate (too much) :)

    I thought you were Durianrider and that was all you had to eat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,084 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    crestglan wrote: »
    There is so many health kicks these days how do you know whats best i WAS WATCHING a program on tele the other night about nutrition and diet and it explained that fruit and veg have lost a lot of their nutrients and 5 a day is not enough that you would nearly have to take a least 15 portions of fruit and veg a day how the hell could you fit in 15 portions of fruit and veg a day????????????

    The thing about modern fruit and vegetables having less nutrients than a few decades ago is a myth (mostly perpetuated by those who sell vitamin tablets).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    crestglan wrote: »
    There is so many health kicks these days how do you know whats best i WAS WATCHING a program on tele the other night about nutrition and diet and it explained that fruit and veg have lost a lot of their nutrients and 5 a day is not enough that you would nearly have to take a least 15 portions of fruit and veg a day how the hell could you fit in 15 portions of fruit and veg a day????????????

    That's easy enough. 15 a day is the recommended amount in Japan actually. Most Western Governments recommend only 5 a day based on WHO recommendations because they think that's "do-able" for most people and if they were to recommend more (a recent study by University College London says a minimum of 10 portions is what's really needed), too many people would balk at the prospect of eating that many portions so they brought it down to a more "realistic" 5-a-day.

    I normally get at least 15 a day without much difficulty eating the way I do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    ford2600 wrote: »
    I thought you were Durianrider and that was all you had to eat

    DR eats loads of rice, potatoes, other cooked carbs in his evening meals like Thai, Indian and other Asian dishes, also vegan pizzas, burritos, and I've seen him eat vegan treats like cup cakes and apple turnover type deserts every now and then.

    He doesn't just eat fruit and veg. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,901 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Greentopia wrote: »
    He doesn't just eat fruit and veg. :D

    He doesn't. But he like to pretend that he does. Which is much worse imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,901 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Firedance wrote: »
    ok no problem, here's the breakdown.

    breakfast: oats 1 portion of blueberries followed by 1 whole apple - 2
    lunch: lettuce, 1 tomato, 1 5cm slice of pepper, 3 tbls of sweetcorn, 1 5 cm slice of cucumber - 5
    dinner: 2 broccoli spears (min), 2 tbls carrots,3 large mushrooms, 5cm courgette, 3 tbls peas, 5
    snacks: 1 x orange, 1 x banana, 1 x pears - 3 .
    In that case it is a lot. So it's orob clise to 15.
    But I'm sure you understand my point that number of fruits & veg doesn't always equal number of portions. going both ways.

    For example, my breakfast just now was Heuvos rancheros. Onions, mushrooms, red pepper, lettuce, tomatoes.
    I don't count that as hitting 5 a day yet. Mush, onions, pepper =2, tomatoes = 2, lettuce = 0, imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    Mellor wrote: »
    He doesn't. But he like to pretend that he does. Which is much worse imo.

    He's proudly posted himself eating 3 pizzas in one sitting, and shows himself eating humungous amounts of rice dishes when he's out with Freelee. I've watched the videos. He does so to give Rawtill4 wider appeal-showing that followers can have pizza, Asian dishes and other popular dishes if they want to eat out especially. It's to show precisely that you don't have to limit yourself to fruits and veg. on that lifestyle. Maybe you're thinking of years ago when they were fully raw 80/10/10?

    I eat modified rawtill4 myself and I certainly don't eat only fruit and veg. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,901 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The be honest the first and only time I came across him, he posted a "typical day", where he ate 4000-5000 cals of fruit and veg and made all sort of nonsense claims. Was a really bad, even dangerous, diet to suggest. If he's mellowed out that's good. But based on his initial "knowledge", he will never be someone id look to for diet advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    Mellor wrote: »
    The be honest the first and only time I came across him, he posted a "typical day", where he ate 4000-5000 cals of fruit and veg and made all sort of nonsense claims. Was a really bad, even dangerous, diet to suggest. If he's mellowed out that's good. But based on his initial "knowledge", he will never be someone id look to for diet advice.

    I don't think he's "mellowed" in any way, but himself and Freelee are no longer raw fruitarians eating mainly raw fruits and veg. if that's what you mean, and haven't been for a number of years. They've come up with Raw Till 4 to appeal to a wider audience and that's how they eat.

    Rawtill4 is a long term lifestyle, not a diet and it's impossible to accurately assess it based on one video alone.

    I don't know what sort of nonsense claims or dangerous dietary advise you heard, but I certainly don't follow any by him or any other diet or lifestyle guru for that matter.

    The central tenets of raw till 4 are Sleep, Water, Sugar (i.e. carbs), eat a plant based diet consisting ~ 80/10/10 caloric nutrient ratio, no calorie restriction, and moderate exercise.

    Get 8 to 10 hours sleep a night (with preferably naps during the day), stay well hydrated, eat a diet consisting of about 80% healthy carbs from fruits and veg, rice, legumes, starches like potatoes and corn, plus plant fats and proteins, eat as much as I like of this type of food (It works for a lot of people who have the patience and desire to lose weight long term as long as they exercise also, but I'm not on it for that reason as I'm fortunate to never put on weight. I simply love the food and the ethics of eating that way, and find eating high carbs work very well for my health, fitness and lifestyle).

    There's more to it than that but those are the basic tenets.

    He tells people if you want to look like a distance Kenyan or Ethiopian runner then you have to eat like one. Again I see nothing wrong there if that's the aesthetic you're aiming for. Their traditional diet typically happens to fall into that high carb. 80/10/10 ratio anyway and they get huge amounts of sleep and they keep well hydrated. Lots of tea even when they run as well as water, but I love tea so am not about to drop that from my diet no matter what DR or anyone else advises. I won't be challenging Tirunesh Dibaba any time soon for medals (too damn old for a start) but at least I can maximise my own potential as a runner by eating like her and sleeping like her, even if I don't want to train as much as her :)

    For me all that is sensible advise, nothing dangerous there.

    I ignore any advise I don't think is healthy or will work for me- I don't follow his example of sometimes pouring refined sugar on smoothies for example, I'm not 100% vegan-I eat fish and seafood occasionally, I don't abstain from caffeine, I don't abstain completely from alcohol or cooking oils, nor do I eat mostly fruitarian in winter like they do as it's simply impossible to get enough quality fruit here so I tend towards Starch Solution in winter to suit our climate. Oh and I add a little salt to my food too otherwise I find some dishes too bland, unlike DR and Freelee.

    I pick and choose what will work for me, simple as. I imagine most people have (or should have) the good sense to do likewise and not to blindly and uncritically follow to the letter what someone with no health or nutrition qualifications says.

    Ok, this has gone off topic, sorry OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,901 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Greentopia wrote: »
    Rawtill4 is a long term lifestyle, not a diet and it's impossible to accurately assess it based on one video alone.
    Any “lifestyle” that includes guidance or instruction on the food you should eat is a diet. It’s the very basic definition of the word. It might not be a weight-loss diet. But thats a different thing all together.
    Paleo, vegetarian, vegan, kosher, kangatarian, etc...are all diets.
    Get 8 to 10 hours sleep a night (with preferably naps during the day), stay well hydrated, eat a diet consisting of about 80% healthy carbs from fruits and veg, rice, legumes, starches like potatoes and corn, plus plant fats and proteins, eat as much as I like of this type of food (It works for a lot of people who have the patience and desire to lose weight long term as long as they exercise also...
    The main issue I see ith aiming for 10% fat and protein, is that if you are regularly falling short, you could be looking at health issues.
    I don't see anytihgn wrong with eating real food. My own diet would be similar foods, plus animal fat and protein. In different ratios.
    He tells people if you want to look like a distance Kenyan or Ethiopian runner then you have to eat like one. Again I see nothing wrong there if that's the aesthetic you're aiming for. Their traditional diet typically happens to fall into that high carb. 80/10/10 ratio anyway and they get huge amounts of sleep and they keep well hydrated...
    Marathon runners eat and look as they do due to the sport they compete in. Not for aesthetics, not for health (i’d be surprised if it was actually healthy at the top level tbh)
    Emulating them for any reason other than competitive sport level its silly, imo. Especially aesthetics.
    I ignore any advise I don't think is healthy or will work for me- I don't follow his example of sometimes pouring refined sugar on smoothies for example, ...
    Good idea.
    I pick and choose what will work for me, simple as. I imagine most people have (or should have) the good sense to do likewise and not to blindly and uncritically follow to the letter what someone with no health or nutrition qualifications says.
    You be surprised tbh. If people are willing to try to survive on lemon juice and water, or maple syrup and pepper, then they'll following anything


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