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This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,226 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Had a look at the vintage section of adverts.ie last night for the first time in quite a while. Opened about 20 cars up in a new tab, to have a closer look, some very nice looking cars that looked good value for money too. Turned out not one of them that should have an NCT did have one. Most of them never had one. Depressing stuff really. Especially since importing classic cars (the good ones) from the UK is going to be maybe not impossible, but almost prohibitively expensive (with 10% import duty, and 23% VAT and NOx and VRT charges), in just 6 months time :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭Duke O Smiley




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭Duke O Smiley


    https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1980-bmw-525/25170735

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    1980 525 automatic, €4250

    Last NCT expired in January - now NCT exempt. Given that it had an NCT on it very recently I would imagine it was a reasonably well looked after car at the very least. Seems a bargain at this price?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭Duke O Smiley


    https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1981-cortina-ghia-estate-2-3-litre-v6-/25173557

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    Something with room for all the family and the dog. Cortina V6 estate automatic, €4250

    Needs a small bit of fettling but looks a fantastic example.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭Harcrid


    unkel wrote: »
    Had a look at the vintage section of adverts.ie last night for the first time in quite a while. Opened about 20 cars up in a new tab, to have a closer look, some very nice looking cars that looked good value for money too. Turned out not one of them that should have an NCT did have one. Most of them never had one. Depressing stuff really. Especially since importing classic cars (the good ones) from the UK is going to be maybe not impossible, but almost prohibitively expensive (with 10% import duty, and 23% VAT and NOx and VRT charges), in just 6 months time :(

    Did you ever sell your Mercedes Unkel?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    unkel wrote: »
    Had a look at the vintage section of adverts.ie last night for the first time in quite a while. Opened about 20 cars up in a new tab, to have a closer look, some very nice looking cars that looked good value for money too. Turned out not one of them that should have an NCT did have one. Most of them never had one. Depressing stuff really. Especially since importing classic cars (the good ones) from the UK is going to be maybe not impossible, but almost prohibitively expensive (with 10% import duty, and 23% VAT and NOx and VRT charges), in just 6 months time :(

    Personally I think the NCT just doesnt factor for a lot of people, and for others its another unnecessary tax. if you had 5 cars doing less than 1k miles a year you might feel the need to NCT them yearly a bit of a pain too !

    but I see your point - personally I think no NCT = badly cared for ( or something to hide ). I feel similarly about cheap tyres !


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,294 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1981-cortina-ghia-estate-2-3-litre-v6-/25173557

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    Something with room for all the family and the dog. Cortina V6 estate automatic, €4250

    Needs a small bit of fettling but looks a fantastic example.

    Timmy the dog? Very Famous Five


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,226 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Harcrid wrote: »
    Did you ever sell your Mercedes Unkel?

    Sold last month. This one also to a man in Kerry who drove it home, same as my last W201 :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭welder


    unkel wrote: »
    Had a look at the vintage section of adverts.ie last night for the first time in quite a while. Opened about 20 cars up in a new tab, to have a closer look, some very nice looking cars that looked good value for money too. Turned out not one of them that should have an NCT did have one. Most of them never had one. Depressing stuff really. Especially since importing classic cars (the good ones) from the UK is going to be maybe not impossible, but almost prohibitively expensive (with 10% import duty, and 23% VAT and NOx and VRT charges), in just 6 months time :(

    Its not something that would put me off buying a car that interested me. I'm reasonably confident in my ability to assess a potential purchase myself and whether it would pass a test. If the seller understands that it should have a test it can be a bargaining tool, however some will be adamant that that their car doesn't need one because its on the cheap tax !
    My last 240d was a case in point, 1980, the friend I bought it from would not accept it needed a test. I bought it, having checked it out carefully, given it a good service and clean and it sailed through the test !


  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭ccmp


    unkel wrote: »
    Had a look at the vintage section of adverts.ie last night for the first time in quite a while. Opened about 20 cars up in a new tab, to have a closer look, some very nice looking cars that looked good value for money too. Turned out not one of them that should have an NCT did have one. Most of them never had one. Depressing stuff really. Especially since importing classic cars (the good ones) from the UK is going to be maybe not impossible, but almost prohibitively expensive (with 10% import duty, and 23% VAT and NOx and VRT charges), in just 6 months time :(

    What additional charges are coming? I thought that classics > 30 years were unaffected by nox and vrt. is the flat rate of €200 going?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,756 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    ccmp wrote: »
    What additional charges are coming? I thought that classics > 30 years were unaffected by nox and vrt. is the flat rate of €200 going?

    The €200 rate is for importing from EU country.

    Nox should not be affected by the UK leaving the EU but you never know what loophole they will come up with.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    VRT Category C (the flat rate of €200) applies to cars over 30 years old. It doesn't matter where in the world it is imported from.
    VRT Category C

    VRT Category C vehicles are charged of €200 and are as follows:

    larger commercial vehicles (European category N2 and N3)
    agricultural tractors
    buses (European category M2 and M3)
    and
    vehicles more than 30 years old at the time of registration

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/calculating-vrt/applying-the-tax.aspx

    If the car is under 30 years old, then it falls into VRT Category A
    VRT Category A

    VRT Category A is for passenger vehicles including cars and minibuses. These minbuses cannot carry more the eight people and a driver. These vehicles are generally European category M1. Also included in this category are certain category N1 vehicles which have four or more seats.

    The VRT rate is calculated based on the Carbon Dioxide emissions plus the Nitrogen Oxide emissions. The CO2 component is calculated by mulitplying the applicable rate by the OMSP. The NOx levy is calculated separately and then added to the CO2 value to produce the VRT due.

    In short until the end of transition period (31/12/20)
    • If it's over 30 years old regardless of engine it's €200
    • If it's 20 to 30 years old and petrol then it's at least around €1280 (and upwards)
    • If it's 20 to 30 years old and diesel then it's at least around €5530 (and upwards)

    After the end of the transition period, it could be anywhere between zero extra and worst case in the region of 35% on top, or at least in that ball park.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭oceanman




  • Registered Users Posts: 65,226 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    welder wrote: »
    I'm reasonably confident in my ability to assess a potential purchase myself

    And you would of course do all the required welding yourself, welder :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭welder


    unkel wrote: »
    And you would of course do all the required welding yourself, welder :p

    I truly hate welding underneath cars, and have the scars to prove it ! Hence if I spot something that needs welding I run a mile.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭con747


    1982 Ford escort mk3 estate €3000, was up before https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-mk3-estate/24914681 nearly nct exempt with nct until October 2021.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    con747 wrote: »
    1982 Ford escort mk3 estate €3000, was up before https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-mk3-estate/24914681 nearly nct exempt with nct until October 2021.

    That would make a lovely car to tour Europe in, once COVID is over. The 1.6 means you can cruise at 110 Km/h all day on a motorway. Some blinds on the windows, an ice box, tent, chairs, gas cooker, and you're good to go. The car is a good ice breaker and the red reg plate stands out a mile as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭noelf


    1972 PEUGEOT 504 coupe €15950 ..

    Bolands classic cars


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Such as basic spec that it didn't have a rear wiper, and Ford just plugged the holes with w rubber stopper, rather than making a rear door for no wiper. :)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,226 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    noelf wrote: »
    1972 PEUGEOT 504 coupe €15950 ..

    Bolands classic cars

    Beautiful. Reasonable asking price too, particularly given it's a RHD and a desirable auto. Cheapest ones on the continent start at around 10k. Pretty special car for this sort of money and unlikely to ever go down significantly in value.

    Here's the linky

    Pity there's no close up shot of the Jaeger LeCoultre clocks :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    unkel wrote: »
    Beautiful. Reasonable asking price too, particularly given it's a RHD and a desirable auto. Cheapest ones on the continent start at around 10k. Pretty special car for this sort of money and unlikely to ever go down significantly in value.

    Here's the linky

    Pity there's no close up shot of the Jaeger LeCoultre clocks :)

    I agree - I also think if this had an italian badge on the front of it these would be worth a lot more. I have no idea if the driving dynamics are poor in these and thats why they seem a little under loved, but they certainly are good looking.

    Are these Bolands anything to the Bolands BMW waterford ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 942 ✭✭✭outfox


    Was it my imagination, or was there a Porsche 928 S4 up on DoneDeal for a couple of days earlier this week for around €8500? It had been parked up for a few years. The ad seems to have been taken down again. Did one of you lads buy it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,226 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    That's very cheap for a 928 these days, even if the car is only in reasonable condition. I should have kept mine :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 942 ✭✭✭outfox


    Yeah, I was thinking it was a good price. It's possible the seller had so much interest that he/she took the ad down again, and plans to put it back up at a higher price in the near future.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭MAJJ


    outfox wrote: »
    Was it my imagination, or was there a Porsche 928 S4 up on DoneDeal for a couple of days earlier this week for around €8500? It had been parked up for a few years. The ad seems to have been taken down again. Did one of you lads buy it?

    This one ? Unlikely there are many others. Been looking around and few in this country, good ones with a level of history and work seen to 15GBP+ in UK.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1983-porsche-928-s2/25177939


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭swarlb


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    I agree - I also think if this had an italian badge on the front of it these would be worth a lot more. I have no idea if the driving dynamics are poor in these and thats why they seem a little under loved, but they certainly are good looking.

    Are these Bolands anything to the Bolands BMW waterford ?

    No, they are not related. It's an off shoot of Bolands (Opel) of Clondalkin, of Jim Boland fame, a well known collector of vintage cars (proper vintage cars, not stuff from the 40/50/60's or newer)


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,226 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    MAJJ wrote: »
    This one ? Unlikely there are many others. Been looking around and few in this country, good ones with a level of history and work seen to 15GBP+ in UK.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1983-porsche-928-s2/25177939

    Mine was the 4.7l 16V S2 too :)

    This car is still on UK plates and hasn't seen any test in years? Tricky to get that registered without paying fines or committing fraud. Also needs cam belt straight away. Lights not popping up (expensive) and a few other lights coming on in dash, no doubt including ABS (even more expensive). And undesirable colour. He's pushing it big style with that price...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭MAJJ


    unkel wrote: »
    Mine was the 4.7l 16V S2 too :)

    This car is still on UK plates and hasn't seen any test in years? Tricky to get that registered without paying fines or committing fraud. Also needs cam belt straight away. Lights not popping up (expensive) and a few other lights coming on in dash, no doubt including ABS (even more expensive). And undesirable colour. He's pushing it big style with that price...

    Funny I saw your add pop up a few years back, got interested, well described and a low price but then realized it was an old add !


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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,226 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I think I sold it in around 2013. Bittersweet it was. The car had been on my drive for years off the road as I got badly hit by the recession and I could no longer afford the motor tax. The trigger to sell it was that I had just bought a super cheap MG convertible with tax and test for five hundred quid that was the first car that brought a smile to my face for the first time in years (of driving recession bangers)


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