Driving around roundabouts

edburg

TheChizler wrote: »

The same drivers?

Same couple cars yes, drivers not a 100% on. They live just down road and see them almost everyday when I take dog for walk.

5W30

edburg wrote: »

Same couple cars yes, drivers not a 100% on. They live just down road and see them almost everyday when I take dog for walk.

Still 1000 times better than lads driving around with pink, blue or green parking lights...

Irish Steve

The main street in Ashbourne has just had a massive makeover, with new traffic lights, most of which now have filter lights on them.

I don't know which is worse, the eejits that start turning right against the red, because the lane on their left has moved straight ahead with the filter, or the other sort of eejit that sits looking at a solid green light with no traffic coming towards them waiting for the right turn filter to come on.

Then there's the morons that come down a join slip on the motorways and move out into the right hand lane at 60 Kph regardless of what traffic is moving in lane 1 or 2, even when lane 1 has nothing in it for half a mile or more.

Then there's the planks that won't join the queue in the exit lane to wait their turn to exit from the M50, and continue in lane 1 until they can't go any further, so they stop, blocking the lane, until they can force their way into the exit slip.

And then there's the muppets that wait until they've passed the 100 Mtr marker at the exit to go from Lane 3 to the exit lane, and they wonder why people are blowing horns at them.

How often do you see abaning? What's that you ask? Well, it's not abandoned, as the owner has every intention of returning to the vehicle at some stage in the next while, but it can't be described as parking either, as the manner in which the vehicle has been left defies all the known rules that are applied to the act of parking. Very common technique outside junior schools at the time they chuck out in the afternoon.

Then there's the colour blind cyclist, you know them well, they can't distinguish red and green at all, and when getting dressed for their trip on unlit roads, they always choose that black sort of colour because it seems to blend so well with everything else in their wardrobe.

I'm sure that there are others who are well able to add to this list of miscreants, it doesn't take much of a journey to come across most of these serial offenders on a regular basis.

MrMaki

I drive through quite a few rondabouts every single day and to me it looks like every driver hastheir own rules.

I would be happy to get clarification on what actually the rules are.

In a country where I'm from I was tought that (converting some rules from right to left handed traffic):

1) rondabout is an extension of a regular road so if you are entering single lane rondabout you give right of way to cars from your right and you indicate just before you are leaving it. ( dont indicate when you enter)
2) if you enter two or more line rondabout you indicate right when you take 2nd or further exit and then left just before you leave rondabout.
- external lane on rondabout is for taking left and straight through, internal lane is for taking exit on the right.
- if you enter multiple lanes rondabout with more than 3 exits And you plan to exit on the right you enter line which is at max one lane from the exit lane.
- people who are on the left lane have priority over those on the right lane.
3) you must not park on the rondabout, or 10m from the rondabout.
4) you must indicate when you change ( cut) the lines and u must be sure there is no quicker car than you on the next lane when you suddenly cut the lane......
5 you must not enter rondabout if you cannot leave it without stopping in it.

So these are rules I follow, sometimes for my own safery I indicate when I enter single lane rondabout, so other drivers know what I plan to do.

What does the books say in Ireland?

TheChizler

MrMaki wrote: »

What does the books say in Ireland?

Even better, a video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rsdaSTOkWk

my3cents

TheChizler wrote: »

Even better, a video!

Thats exactly how I was taught in the UK and have always driven. The problem I find apart from totally failing to indicate is drivers who are going straight on when you are in the right hand land going to turn right, they don't see you as they take the straightest line possible from entrance to exit.

What the video needs a a little bit of information about checking your blind spots.

Cortina_MK_IV

Daaryl wrote: »

What is it with people not being able to use roundabouts properly? I have been cut up a load of times on roundabouts and it's mostly by women and had a few lads do it to me too, And they look at me like i'm in the wrong when i beep at them! Had a few encounters with old people driving and it's really frustrating, I do know that everybody isn't perfect at driving, But some Women and Men take the cake at driving dangerously on the roads and have not got a notion of what's going on around them while driving, From being pulled out on to getting cut up on roundabouts and they have the cheek to look at you like you done something wrong. Rant Over!

I started to doubt my knowledge of rules of the road. But here I'm on the roundabout and the red car enters, she is looking left and only when I beep the horn, she looks right but carries on anyway.

(Didn't put it on dashcam thread due to my language so took the stills.)

Charles Babbage

There are some ambiguities, but some people just suit themselves and don't give a damn about anyone else even when it is perfectly clear. You could position a Guard at some of these and he/she could have 10 people stopped in 10 minutes and some action of this sort is needed.

Henry Ford III

There's a lot of rentacars out and about at this time of year so expect the unexpected, particularly at roundabouts (traffic circles).

Jesus.

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

I started to doubt my knowledge of rules of the road. But here I'm on the roundabout and the red car enters, she is looking left and only when I beep the horn, she looks right but carries on anyway.

(Didn't put it on dashcam thread due to my language so took the stills.)

Sometimes other's bad driving should be anticipated though. She was clearly coming on so in that case I wouldn't have kept going til I was on top of her and then blast her out of it, I would've instinctively just held back. Lots of road rage incidents begin this way (when there's a guy in the other car) and nobody wins in the end.

Cortina_MK_IV

I did I suppose which is why she'll be at home now watching Loose Women and not in the Lourdes trying to remember the number for Grabbit & Rhunne solicitors. :-) I slowed up and as soon as I seen her I was looking at her head and it wasn't turned but looking straight ahead. I blasted her in the second photo where she turned her head. She's also lucky the roads are staggered as if "The Kabin" was the road straight on then she would not have been so lucky.

duffman3833

Nearly everyday going round this roundabout people cut me off cause instead of sticking left when going straight they just go straight through road and anyone turning right that's in the right hand lane has to stop or back off. Indicators seem to be optional on this roundabout also
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ohnonotgmail

MrMaki wrote: »

I drive through quite a few rondabouts every single day and to me it looks like every driver hastheir own rules.

I would be happy to get clarification on what actually the rules are.

In a country where I'm from I was tought that (converting some rules from right to left handed traffic):

1) rondabout is an extension of a regular road so if you are entering single lane rondabout you give right of way to cars from your right and you indicate just before you are leaving it. ( dont indicate when you enter)
*snip*

What does the books say in Ireland?

well it certainly doesnt say you dont indicate when you enter a roundabout. it depends on what exit you are taking:

Exit 1: Indicate left approaching the roundabout
Exit 2: Do not indicate when approaching the roundabout. indicate left when you have passed the first exit
Exit 3+: Indicate right when approaching the roundabout. Indicate left when you pass the exit prior to the one you are taking.

the above assumes a standard layout where exits are at 90,180 and 270 degrees.

RebelButtMunch

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well it certainly doesnt say you dont indicate when you enter a roundabout. it depends on what exit you are taking:

Exit 1: Indicate left approaching the roundabout
Exit 2: Do not indicate when approaching the roundabout. indicate left when you have passed the first exit
Exit 3+: Indicate right when approaching the roundabout. Indicate left when you pass the exit prior to the one you are taking.

the above assumes a standard layout where exits are at 90,180 and 270 degrees.

This.

Also worth noting that lane signage supersedes normal roundabout operations.
i.e if normally the lane is for turning right, but the lane sign says you can go straight, then you can go straight

Cortina_MK_IV

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

I did I suppose which is why she'll be at home now watching Loose Women and not in the Lourdes trying to remember the number for Grabbit & Rhunne solicitors. :-) I slowed up and as soon as I seen her I was looking at her head and it wasn't turned but looking straight ahead. I blasted her in the second photo where she turned her head. She's also lucky the roads are staggered as if "The Kabin" was the road straight on then she would not have been so lucky.

It's the only way to go! If you don't look you can't see so they have to take the responsibility. I see people drive with this philosophy every day. If I can't see it it's not there.

visual

punisher5112 wrote: »

I just hit them.

The old system of free licence and years of no proper trainning or even enforcement sure why would they worry themselves on how to drive correctly or indicate.

Ah come on driving standards have dropped in recent years not gone up. Dispite motorways and better cars.

Look a a line of middle lane drivers they are certainly not all in the age group of free licence.
Don't fool.yourself the driving test has not gotten harder. Sure there is multiple-choice questions and requirement to have paid for driving lessons

But a 10 year old could learn and do multiple-choice. If you have the money you can pay for 10 lessons and still not master the basics.

I ve know many who took test didn't do hill starts or reverse around corner in fact they spend less time doing the actual test than they did years ago.

There is zero enforcement so standards have slipped new drivers follow the herd

It's why on an almost empty 3 lane road you'll see a line of 5 or 6 cars all in middle lane driving on each others bumpers.

punisher5112

visual wrote: »

Ah come on driving standards have dropped in recent years not gone up. Dispite motorways and better cars.

Look a a line of middle lane drivers they are certainly not all in the age group of free licence.
Don't fool.yourself the driving test has not gotten harder. Sure there is multiple-choice questions and requirement to have paid for driving lessons

But a 10 year old could learn and do multiple-choice. If you have the money you can pay for 10 lessons and still not master the basics.

I ve know many who took test didn't do hill starts or reverse around corner in fact they spend less time doing the actual test than they did years ago.

There is zero enforcement so standards have slipped new drivers follow the herd

It's why on an almost empty 3 lane road you'll see a line of 5 or 6 cars all in middle lane driving on each others bumpers.

What the hell you aiming this at me for.

I see it all was just stating as you have just said no proper training

visual

punisher5112 wrote: »

What the hell you aiming this at me for.

I see it all was just stating as you have just said no proper training

The days of just applying for a licence and getting it was a hell of a long time ago last time in 50 years was 1979 and between 25000 to 50000 got them if they where on 2nd provisional because insurance companies didnt accept these licences as valid for discount premium many of these later sat the test. That was 37 years ago when car ownership was mainly middle aged. So it would be rare you find someone still driving who never sat a test and even less likely to find one involved in a crash.


http://m.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-talk/why-roads-are-safer-after-50-years-of-the-driving-test-30062291.html

The reason I bring it up is to debunk this common misconception or popular folklore that all the bad driving is down to this very small group.

Aongus Von Heisenberg

Has anyone encountered this type of roundabout?

There's a few of them on the road between the N2 and Tyrellstown in Dublin 15.

They have hatchings at intervals in the inside lane around the island to direct vehicles outwards and the access roads approach at a perpendicular angle to the island. Both of these measures have the effect of making the turn on the roundabout much sharper than normal.

I assume the reason for this is to slow down traffic entering from roads with limits of 80 Km/h but in reality motorists just fly into them and take the shortest route across. Lanes are completely ignored by pretty much everyone and if you follow them you'll find yourself braking to avoid collisions with vehicles entering your lane pretty much constantly.

A perfect example of road design that completely ignores actual driver behaviour. I see accidents on them regularly enough.

punisher5112

visual wrote: »

The days of just applying for a licence and getting it was a hell of a long time ago last time in 50 years was 1979 and between 25000 to 50000 got them if they where on 2nd provisional because insurance companies didnt accept these licences as valid for discount premium many of these later sat the test. That was 37 years ago when car ownership was mainly middle aged. So it would be rare you find someone still driving who never sat a test and even less likely to find one involved in a crash.


http://m.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-talk/why-roads-are-safer-after-50-years-of-the-driving-test-30062291.html

The reason I bring it up is to debunk this common misconception or popular folklore that all the bad driving is down to this very small group.

Ah come on took a year for you to pick my post out.

Driving is terrible and mostly down to no patience and a lot of aggression.

Training needs to be priority and lots of changes needed.

FishOnABike

Aongus Von Heisenberg wrote: »

Has anyone encountered this type of roundabout?

There's a few of them on the road between the N2 and Tyrellstown in Dublin 15.

They have hatchings at intervals in the inside lane around the island to direct vehicles outwards and the access roads approach at a perpendicular angle to the island. Both of these measures have the effect of making the turn on the roundabout much sharper than normal.

I assume the reason for this is to slow down traffic entering from roads with limits of 80 Km/h but in reality motorists just fly into them and take the shortest route across. Lanes are completely ignored by pretty much everyone and if you follow them you'll find yourself braking to avoid collisions with vehicles entering your lane pretty much constantly.

A perfect example of road design that completely ignores actual driver behaviour. I see accidents on them regularly enough.

I don't think I've seen this layout but I've often said an outward spiral like it is the most sensible and safe layout as the lane markings direct traffic to the exits without any lanehopping and traffic continuing around the roundabout should always have a clear lane to move into.

Unfortunately some people just can't drive. On one occadion I (almost) met an idiot reversing around a roundabout because they missed their exit!

Stick a camera on roundabouts and hit anyone who shows a total disregard for the rules of the road with a charge of careless or even dangerous driving with a ban depending on the severity of their stupidity and people would soon learn how to use roundabouts properly.