Islamic Militants Attack. Again..

Roger Hassenforder

They're at it again:
al-Shabaab attack Kenyan university, death toll now at 147 people.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0402/691527-kenya/

some head lopping off might have gone on as well.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/africa/article4399953.ece

Hachiko

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kneemos

The African branch are proper crazy mofo's

riffmongous

Jesus, I thought it was awful earlier when the death toll was at 79..

It seems like it was a bad **** up from the police/security forces too

Grace Kai, a student at the Garissa Teachers Training College near the university, said there had been warnings that an attack in the town could be imminent.

"Some strangers had been spotted in Garissa town and were suspected to be terrorists," she told Reuters.

"Then on Monday our college principal told us ... that strangers had been spotted in our college... On Tuesday we were released to go home, and our college closed, but the campus remained in session, and now they have been attacked."

Many Kenyans living in the crime-ridden frontier regions blame the government for not doing enough to protect its citizens from the militants.

CaptainInsano

Hachiko wrote: »

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Not shocking enough for you?

Nodin

kneemos wrote: »

The African branch are proper crazy mofo's

This bunch do seem to be as bad as the IS shower, certainly.

viztopia

Lovely bunch of peace loving lads them Muslims... Totally misunderstood

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

They're at it again:
al-Shabaab attack Kenyan university, death toll now at 147 people.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0402/691527-kenya/

some head lopping off might have gone on as well.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/africa/article4399953.ece

pmasterson95

This isn't the muslims fault. Its Israels. Muslims are lovely. Its those evil Iraelis.

Streetwalker

Oh look it's another thread where people tar all Muslims with the same brush. Charming. Carry on.

Saipanne

The religion of peace.

El_Duderino 09

viztopia wrote: »

Lovely bunch of peace loving lads them Muslims... Totally misunderstood

Ah it's not 'Muslims' fault any more than clerical sex abuse by Catholic priests is the average Catholic's fault.

These are crazy angry eejits and the only solution is education and greater opportunity for a decent standard of living. Happy, educated, middle class people who have a fair share in society don't go around cutting people's heads off.

I dislike religion but I don't blame it for these type of acts.

ConstantJoe

Streetwalker wrote: »

Oh look it's another thread where people tar all Muslims with the same brush. Charming. Carry on.

But isnt it obvious that 1.6 billion people who live all across the globe across many different cultures and lifestyles all have the same opinions, wants, and desires? And that the defining aspect that made these terrorists do this was that they were Muslims, and not that they were, you know, nutjobs?

DeadHand

Streetwalker wrote: »

Oh look it's another thread where people tar all Muslims with the same brush. Charming. Carry on.

So, these atrocities should be ignored just in case someone says something negative about Islam and its adherents?

Saipanne

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah it's not 'Muslims' fault any more than clerical sex abuse by Catholic priests is the average Catholic's fault.

These are crazy angry eejits and the only solution is education and greater opportunity for a decent standard of living. Happy, educated, middle class people who have a fair share in society don't go around cutting people's heads off.

I dislike religion but I don't blame it for these type of acts.

I do. The moderates shield the extremists. And the right on do gooders shield the moderates.

Remember, it would be easy to spot any religion of peace by observing their extremist members. They would be extremely peaceful.

MRnotlob606

Streetwalker wrote: »

Oh look it's another thread where people tar all Muslims with the same brush. Charming. Carry on.

Well I think has nothing to do with the people and more with Islam itself/

Saipanne

DeadHand wrote: »

So, these atrocities should be ignored just in case someone says something negative about Islam and its adherents?

Yes, like that case in Rotherham, its best to just leave them at it for Years, for fear of being labelled racist (because religion is somehow a race... or something).

Eugene Norman

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah it's not 'Muslims' fault any more than clerical sex abuse by Catholic priests is the average Catholic's fault.

These are crazy angry eejits and the only solution is education and greater opportunity for a decent standard of living. Happy, educated, middle class people who have a fair share in society don't go around cutting people's heads off.

I dislike religion but I don't blame it for these type of acts.

Educated middle class people do fly into buildings. And educated rich people fund them.

Education may be the issue In fact. In radical Madrasas.

El Horseboxo

Cowardly fűcks. Once again going after the educated. It's one of the biggest threats to them.

The Backwards Man

Gotta love these threads.

Every rightminded individual knows the perpretrators are evil, sick and twisted and don't deserve to draw breath, but if you don't reciprocate their desire of destroying all Christians with destroying all Muslims you are somehow siding with them.

Roger Hassenforder

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

They're at it again:
al-Shabaab attack Kenyan university, death toll now at 147 people.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0402/691527-kenya/

some head lopping off might have gone on as well.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/africa/article4399953.ece

Have you got opinion on this?

Saipanne

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Gotta love these threads.

Every rightminded individual knows the perpretrators are evil, sick and twisted and don't deserve to draw breath, but if you don't reciprocate their desire of destroying all Christians with destroying all Muslims you are somehow siding with them.

Who is advocating that?

El_Duderino 09

Saipanne wrote: »

I do. The moderates shield the extremists. And the right on do gooders shield the moderates.

Remember, it would be easy to spot any religion of peace by observing their extremist members. They would be extremely peaceful.

I live around and work with Muslims. They are extremely clean and have an extremely good record of not chopping people's heads off, is that what you mean? Cos there are lots of extremes and only a few kinds that make the headlines.

Assuming you're Irish and were raised nominally Catholic, what did you do about the child sex abuse or the IRA targeting loyalist civilians to show the world your disapproval? I didn't do much except complain a bit. I have no idea what the average Muslim could do about this type of attack except continue to not chop people's heads off.

They did join hands around the synagogue in Paris to symbolically shield the Jews from attacks from extremists. Does that kind of thing appeal to you at all or what would you like to see them do?

DeadHand

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I dislike religion but I don't blame it for these type of acts.

Islam is the common denominator in a wildly disproportionate number of conflicts and atrocities in the world today.

Something is deeply rotten at the heart of Islam that it allows such murderous interpretations (like most other religions), murderous interpretations that are acted on currently and constantly (like no other religion). That it inspires such violent intolerance and hate toward anyone who happens to be different.

Most of the victims of Islamic intolerance are themselves Muslim. Islam has become a sectarian blight on the Muslim world. It has grown and spread to become the greatest threat to enlightenment, tolerance and freedom in the Western world since facism and Christianity.

The savagery of fundamentalist Christianity was eventually rejected in the West. The Muslim world has, largely, failed in making this leap. Worse, Islamism has been allowed to infiltrate and take root in Europe on the back of the suicidal dogmas of "multiculturalism", political correctness and mass immigration.

So we see, and will continue to see, this kind of Islam inspired murder in both the Muslim world and Western.

El_Duderino 09

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Educated middle class people do fly into buildings. And educated rich people fund them.

Education may be the issue In fact. In radical Madrasas.

Yeah I'd forgotten about the 9/11 boys. Some of them had prospects but they are more the exception than the rule. Guess how many of the boys involved in the Kenya university shooting, had degrees themselves. I say degrees but I mean prospects and the resources to have a decent job and raise a family in relative comfort . I'd say almost none of them.

Islam can be used to tell angry stupid people who to hurt, but it's very difficult to convince educated comfortable people to go to a university and chop people's heads off.

Saipanne

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I live around and work with Muslims. They are extremely clean and have an extremely good record of not chopping people's heads off, is that what you mean? Cos there are lots of extremes and only a few kinds that make the headlines.

Assuming you're Irish and were raised nominally Catholic, what did you do about the child sex abuse or the IRA targeting loyalist civilians to show the world your disapproval? I didn't do much except complain a bit. I have no idea what the average Muslim could do about this type of attack except continue to not chop people's heads off.

They did join hands around the synagogue in Paris to symbolically shield the Jews from attacks from extremists. Does that kind of thing appeal to you at all or what would you like to see them do?

You fail to understand the point. Its difficult to write it all out since I'm on a tablet.

*The do gooders ensure that criticism of Islam is not allowed as they tie such criticism to racism... somehow. This protects the moderates. Behind the moderates, you will find the fundamentalists. I think fundamentalist is a more appropriate word than extremist, as anyone who follows these hate filled books to the letter will obviously turn out hate filled.

So the problem is the idea. The religion. The books. The "crazy ones" are simply the people trying to fully implement these ideas. But no, we can't criticise that, because... (return to the *)

El_Duderino 09

The Rotherham case was fairly disgusting alright. Treating Muslims the very same as anyone else would have sorted it out though. No special measures needed, just the opposite.

I'm a white man. I'm glad I don't have to apologise every time a group of white men committ atrocities.

Saipanne

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The Rotherham case was fairly disgusting alright. Treating Muslims the very same as anyone else would have sorted it out though. No special measures needed, just the opposite.

I'm a white man. I'm glad I don't have to apologise every time a group of white men committ atrocities.

There you go confusing race with religion...

Eugene Norman

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah I'd forgotten about the 9/11 boys. Some of them had prospects but they are more the exception than the rule. Guess how many of the boys involved in the Kenya university shooting, had degrees themselves. I say degrees but I mean prospects and the resources to have a decent job and raise a family in relative comfort . I'd say almost none of them.

Islam can be used to tell angry stupid people who to hurt, but it's very difficult to convince educated comfortable people to go to a university and chop people's heads off.

I don't have the statistics for islamist terrorism but most terrorism has historically been middle class in origin, by which I mean by the perpetrators are university graduates in the main or heading that way. From the red brigades to the A students running off to Syria. (The IRA was an exception).

It's just not true that poverty alone causes these acts or poverty alone, which exists everywhere, would lead to these acts of violence everywhere. It doesn't. Kenya isn't the poorest part of Africa either and southern Africa is free of head chopping as it is free of Islamists.

galljga1

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I live around and work with Muslims. They are extremely clean and have an extremely good record of not chopping people's heads off, is that what you mean? Cos there are lots of extremes and only a few kinds that make the headlines.

Assuming you're Irish and were raised nominally Catholic, what did you do about the child sex abuse or the IRA targeting loyalist civilians to show the world your disapproval? I didn't do much except complain a bit. I have no idea what the average Muslim could do about this type of attack except continue to not chop people's heads off.

They did join hands around the synagogue in Paris to symbolically shield the Jews from attacks from extremists. Does that kind of thing appeal to you at all or what would you like to see them do?

Extremely clean? That is good to know. You do not want to get some sort of cross infection when they chop your head off.

galljga1

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah I'd forgotten about the 9/11 boys. Some of them had prospects but they are more the exception than the rule. Guess how many of the boys involved in the Kenya university shooting, had degrees themselves. I say degrees but I mean prospects and the resources to have a decent job and raise a family in relative comfort . I'd say almost none of them.

Islam can be used to tell angry stupid people who to hurt, but it's very difficult to convince educated comfortable people to go to a university and chop people's heads off.

Ah but 9/11 was a Zionist/Illuminatti plot.

El_Duderino 09

Saipanne wrote: »

You fail to understand the point. Its difficult to write it all out since I'm on a tablet.

*The do gooders ensure that criticism of Islam is not allowed as they tie such criticism to racism... somehow. This protects the moderates. Behind the moderates, you will find the fundamentalists. I think fundamentalist is a more appropriate word than extremist, as anyone who follows these hate filled books to the letter will obviously turn out hate filled.

So the problem is the idea. The religion. The books. The "crazy ones" are simply the people trying to fully implement these ideas. But no, we can't criticise that, because... (return to the *)

I hope you're not lumping me in with the do gooders. I'll criticise religions all day long. Inshrined sexism, total lack of respect for outside religions and ethnic groups. Tasent approval for slavery, taking women as the spoils of war. Original sin and substitutional attonment. Death to apostates, gays, working on the sabbath. That's just the bible. And don't get me started on the Koran.

Anyone who follows medieval ethics would be a raving loonatic by today's standards. Luckily almost all religious people ignore most of their religious text and follow 21st century ethics.

Most religious people do extraordinary Doublethink to forget the vile passages in their own religion but they rarely extend that courtesy to other religions. Sure most Christians think the 'golden rule' is in the bible somewhere... they just haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

Muslims are behind in lots of areas like sex and gender equality. But I can't blame my neighbour for the behaviour of some morons in Kenya

Saipanne

Paul was born in Tralee, Co Kerry. He is white and Irish. His parents also were, and their parents, etc. Paul likes GAA, Thin Lizzy and going to movies. When Paul was 21 he saw a Islamic Understanding seminar at college and was intrigued. A year later he converted to Islam. He continues to like the same things, and lives happily as a Muslim.

Ahmed was born in Sana'a, Yemen to Yemenese parents, going way back. Ahmed was born and raised a Muslim. He likes to play soccer and meeting his friends to drink tea and eat food. He is like any ordinary Arab of that region.

According to some. These people were born of different race, but due to Paul's decision to convert at 21, they are now one and the same race.

In my world, they happen to believe the same idea. That is all there is to it. If they both happened to be socialist, it would be the same for me. So when their idea leads to bad things happening, that idea should rightly be criticised in public, and if this offends anyone that is their problem. We are free to criticise ideas in this part of the world.

People who try to fuse the concept of religion and race are attempting to silence that criticism with bullying tactics, and are beneath contempt, in my eyes.

Vomit

Maybe if we wipe out Catholicism, the IRA will never return! :rolleyes:

Seriously, looking at the replies of young people here makes me despair. Assembly-line ill-considered views on the world, handed to you by the deities of internet secularism like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, et al. Why don't you people get a scissors to that Conor McGregor haircut and start thinking for yourselves..?

El_Duderino 09

Saipanne wrote: »

There you go confusing race with religion...

No no the opposite. Forget race and religion and police crimes where and when they happen. I have no idea how to be any clearer on that.

Saipanne

Vomit wrote: »

Maybe if we wipe out Catholicism, the IRA will never return! :rolleyes:

Seriously, looking at the replies of young people here makes me despair. Assembly-line ill-considered views on the world, handed to you by the deities of internet secularism like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, et al. Why don't you people get a scissors to that Conor McGregor haircut and start thinking for yourselves..?

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

DeadHand

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

They did join hands around the synagogue in Paris to symbolically shield the Jews from attacks from extremists. Does that kind of thing appeal to you at all or what would you like to see them do?

The same Jews who have largely disappeared from the Muslim world due to the intolerance of the Muslim majority? The same Jews that are fleeing Europe at a rate not seen since the 30s in the face of the growing belligerence of the burgeoning Muslin populations here?

Of course, being generally a little too light skinned and successful to be darlings of the victim industry here as well as their tormentors being especially beloved of that industry combined with the naturally occuring anti semetism ever present in Europe anyway this is a largely unreported ethnic cleansing. Muslim anti-Semitism has been imported to combine with indigneous anti-Semitism to form a two headed dragon that is making Europe hell for the Jews right now and seeing their ancient communities here disappear.

This issue is largely ignored. The one time a thread on it was attempted here it was pulled down by an unholy alliance of Left and hard Right, including many posters who rush to defend Islam unconditionally after every Islamic outrage.

El_Duderino 09

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I don't have the statistics for islamist terrorism but most terrorism has historically been middle class in origin, by which I mean by the perpetrators are university graduates in the main or heading that way. From the red brigades to the A students running off to Syria. (The IRA was an exception).

It's just not true that poverty alone causes these acts or poverty alone, which exists everywhere, would lead to these acts of violence everywhere. It doesn't. Kenya isn't the poorest part of Africa either and southern Africa is free of head chopping as it is free of Islamists.

Yes and no on education and the IRA. It depends on whether there is genuine inequality. There were plenty of educated comfortable people involved in the Republican cause when there was genuine institutional discrimination before the war of independence and before the troubles in NI.

Now we have solved most of the problems in NI and you won't find many Wolfetones or Robert Emmitts involved in modern day IRA activity. Just thuggish gang members like any organised crime

osarusan

DeadHand wrote: »

including many posters who rush to defend Islam unconditionally after every Islamic outrage.

Unconditionally, you say?

Such nonsense.

El_Duderino 09

DeadHand wrote: »

The same Jews who have largely disappeared from the Muslim world due to the intolerance of the Muslim majority? The same Jews that are fleeing Europe at a rate not seen since the 30s in the face of the growing belligerence of the burgeoning Muslin populations here?

Of course, being generally a little too light skinned and successful to be darlings of the victim industry here as well as their tormentors being especially beloved of that industry combined with the naturally occuring anti semetism ever present in Europe anyway this is a largely unreported ethnic cleansing. Muslim anti-Semitism has been imported to combine with indigneous anti-Semitism to form a two headed dragon that is making Europe hell for the Jews right now and seeing their ancient communities here disappear.

This issue is largely ignored. The one time a thread on it was attempted here it was pulled down by an unholy alliance of Left and hard Right, including many posters who rush to defend Islam unconditionally after every Islamic outrage.

I have no idea how to respond to that. Rather than phrasing it in rhetorical questions, could you just tell me what you actually think.

I think the response to threats against Jews has been quite appropriate. They deployed thousands of french troops to guard synagogues, schools and places of interest to Jews, after the Charlie hebdo attack. How many Jews were actually attacked or killed? I don't think there were many but I'm glad the response was to protect them all the same.
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El_Duderino 09

Some posters feel pretty certain that moderate Muslims should do something about the violent extremists but nobody has suggested what exactly.

I'm also waiting to hear what the same posters did about the Catholic sex abuse and the IRA targeting of protestants.

Personally I didn't do much about it except not abuse children or join the IRA. I'm not sure what else I should have done so I'm hoping my friends will enlighten me.

wretcheddomain

It would be wrong to say the religion of Islam is the primary cause, but religion does play a role when it comes to political objectives.

After all, many of these mass murderers sincerely hold to the view that a martyr's paradise awaits them once they die - which is a powerful motive, if not spur, to commit the atrocity in the first place.

Second, religion plays a political role, as evidenced in this latest massacre, where Muslims were allowed to roam free while Christians could be taken out on a whim.

The problem I have is when individuals argue over whether these mass murderers are doing is for purely political or religion reasons when, in fact, it is very much a blending of the two.

RomanKnows

What time does Nodin get up?

Eugene Norman

Vomit wrote: »

Maybe if we wipe out Catholicism, the IRA will never return! :rolleyes:

Seriously, looking at the replies of young people here makes me despair. Assembly-line ill-considered views on the world, handed to you by the deities of internet secularism like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, et al. Why don't you people get a scissors to that Conor McGregor haircut and start thinking for yourselves..?

You mean if people don't subscribe to the "islam has nothing to do with violence by Islamists" they aren't "thinking for themselves".

I personally think these kind of posts should be cardable. It's a mixture of well poisoning( Harris etc) generalised ad hominems, and we don't actually get your actual arguments.

I think it's unfair and stupid to blame muslims for violence in the name of Islam, or to ask moderate Islam to do something but it's equally stupid to not attribute some blame to Islamic texts.

In the IRA example ( which wasn't sectarian but nationalist) moderate nationalists weren't personally responsible for the actions of the IRA but the texts of what was then moderate nationalism -- basically the irredentist belief that the country should be "re-united" regardless of unionist opinion, was. We changed that with the good Friday agreement.

Mint Aero

Sorry is this ISIS now? Or IS or are they now IM (Islamic militants?)

Either way they need to be crushed under the weight of the moon colliding with Earth at 28,000mph resulting from a gravitational pull caused by the black holes in the vast void in their empty stupid heads. Then nuked for good measure.

Us cool normal humans can live on mars since these f*ckwits destroyed Earth with their f*ckwittetry.

El_Duderino 09

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I think it's unfair and stupid to blame muslims for violence in the name of Islam, or to ask moderate Islam to do something but it's equally stupid to not attribute some blame to Islamic texts.

In the IRA example ( which wasn't sectarian but nationalist) moderate nationalists weren't personally responsible for the actions of the IRA but the texts of what was then moderate nationalism -- basically the irredentist belief that the country should be "re-united" regardless of unionist opinion, was. We changed that with the good Friday agreement.

That's probably a better take on NI than I wrote above.

El_Duderino 09

Mint Aero wrote: »

Sorry is this ISIS now? Or IS or are they now IM (Islamic militants?)

Either way they need to be crushed under the weight of the moon colliding with Earth at 28,000mph resulting from a gravitational pull caused by the black holes in the vast void in their empty stupid heads. Then nuked for good measure.

Us cool normal humans can live on mars since these f*ckwits destroyed Earth with their f*ckwittetry.

They were mostly sentences.

Mint Aero

cheers

DeadHand

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think the response to threats against Jews has been quite appropriate. They deployed thousands of french troops to guard synagogues, schools and places of interest to Jews, after the Charlie hebdo attack. How many Jews were actually attacked or killed? I don't think there were many but I'm glad the response was to protect them all the same.

Can't find a figure for the exact breakdown of the religions of the CH victims. I know at least one was a Muslim. Given the surnames of the victims and the fact a Jewish grocery was deliberately targetted, it's safe to assume many of the victims were Jewish.

The reaction of the French police in protecting Jewish establishments was indeed proper and good to see but also sad proof of the fact that the (dwindling) Jewish population of Paris is under serious intimidatory pressure and threat of violence from elements within the (rapidly growing) Muslim population there.

El_Duderino 09

Mint Aero wrote: »

Doesn't answer my question. Try again.

I have no idea what this group call themselves. I'll wait for the dust to settle and read about it when there are some established facts available.

DeadHand

RomanKnows wrote: »

What time does Nodin get up?

He commented on this six hours ago and made a perfectly reasonable point.

El_Duderino 09

DeadHand wrote: »

Can't find a figure for the exact breakdown of the religions of the CH victims. I know at least one was a Muslim. Given the surnames of the victims and the fact a Jewish grocery was deliberately targetted, it's safe to assume many of the victims were Jewish.

The reaction of the French police in protecting Jewish establishments was indeed proper and good to see but also sad proof of the fact that the (dwindling) Jewish population of Paris is under serious intimidatory pressure and threat of violence from elements within the (rapidly growing) Muslim population there.

I don't think that's a fair assumption at all. The main commonality those CH victims had was the fact that they worked at CH. I could be wrong but I don't think the attackers targeted specific employees based on further demographics.

There could have been Jews amongst them but I don't think that's why they were killed.

The second paragraph could be true but I dont know enough of the specifics. It sounded like an over reaction to leave France especially given the french government support for protecting them from harm. The individual Jews are best placed to make that decision though.

Comparisons with 1930s seemed silly given the government support in the 2015 case.