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Germanwings A320 Crash

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    #32
    vicwatson
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    eatmyshorts wrote: »
    It was flying the filed flight plan. A normal route

    Sorry, as I was saying, not trying to speculate, my original question was based on this picture

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    #33
    rocky911
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    mayotom wrote: »
    Watching the playback on FR24 shows a decent rate of up to 3800 fpm in the minutes before impact.. really hard to tell what the reasons could be. Total Speculation but Power failure seems out as a glide to another airport would have been possible. Decent started within easy reach of airports like Nice and Toulon. Structural failure or Hijack?

    Christ I hope its not the last one.. all in all its a sad day


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    #34
    vicwatson
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    Rasmus wrote: »
    How do they determine there are no survivors? Although I am sure they're quite certain if the president has announced it...

    Think he announced it's "unlikely" there are any survivors


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    #35
    Tabnabs
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    From Flightradar24

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    #36
    flanzer
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    Visited Dublin on 18th July last year


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    #37
    Nforce
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    Something appears to have happened at 9.31 UTC as this is when the aircraft begins it's decent..


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    #38
    pfurey101
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    In the meantime traffic overflies the area as normal. This is routine and no problems with it, but it must be so disturbing for these flight crews knowing that some of their own are below.

    RIP ro all.


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    #39
    vicwatson
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    <SNIP>


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    #40
    munchkin_utd
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    could it be similar to this failure on a Lufthansa A321 which decided off its own bat to make a decent of 4000fpm last november.
    http://www.aeroinside.com/item/4946/lufthansa-a321-near-bilbao-on-nov-5th-2014-loss-of-4000-feet-of-altitude

    only for the pilot being very experienced and know details of the planes architecture that aparantly was beyond whats normally expected, that plane would have crashed too.


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    #41
    pfurey101
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    vicwatson wrote: »
    <SNIP>

    Bad timing OK, but maybe the guys in the office dont have the radio on or maybe it was a preplanned email launch.


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    #42
    artanevilla
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    Seems to be a general emergency squawk code, not a hijack one.


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    #43
    dastardly00
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    Bummer1234 wrote: »
    Must be a search heli out now

    http://www.flightradar24.com/HBZAP/5d43e42

    The heli seems to be flying a good bit south of where radar lost contact with the plane?


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    #44
    flanzer
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    dastardly00 wrote: »
    The heli seems to be flying a good bit south of where radar lost contact with the plane?

    Probably going to fly the route it took when it came inland off the coast


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    #45
    rocky911
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    F**k me she dropped like a rock..shocking loss.


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    #46
    5star02707
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    Terrible news also flying out next week :(


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    #47
    tmq
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    Nforce wrote: »
    Something appears to have happened at 9.21 UTC as this is when the aircraft begins it's decent..

    Do you mean 9:31? (just checking I'm reading this correctly)


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    #48
    wretcheddomain
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    What about the period from 09.17 to 09.20 - where the plane levels off somewhat before ascending further. Should the ascent be fluid to cruising altitude, or is this type of break in ascent considered routine?


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    #49
    artanevilla
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    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    could it be similar to this failure on a Lufthansa A321 which decided off its own bat to make a decent of 4000fpm last november.
    http://www.aeroinside.com/item/4946/lufthansa-a321-near-bilbao-on-nov-5th-2014-loss-of-4000-feet-of-altitude

    only for the pilot being very experienced and know details of the planes architecture that aparantly was beyond whats normally expected, that plane would have crashed too.

    If this is what happened in this case, I'd imagine all aircraft with this setup would have to be grounded.


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    #50
    RecordStraight
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    It looks like the plane descended rapidly but maintained its speed...? Is it possible the pilots didn't recognise that they were losing altitude hand over fist?


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    #51
    mayotom
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    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    What about the period from 09.17 to 09.20 - where the plane levels off somewhat before ascending further. Should the ascent be fluid to cruising altitude, or is this type of break in ascent considered routine?

    Thats pretty normal, they would have requested a higher altitude at that point this also corresponds with the changeover from Spanish to French Airspace


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    #52
    jimbis
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    French ATC due to hold a 3 day strike starting tomorrow have canceled it.


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    #53
    artanevilla
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    It looks like the plane descended rapidly but maintained its speed...? Is it possible the pilots didn't recognise that they were losing altitude hand over fist?

    Weather is pretty clear in the area.


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    #54
    Skuxx
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    flanzer wrote: »
    Visited Dublin on 18th July last year

    Quick Google of the reg shows it in Shannon in January of this year!


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    #55
    rolexeagle1
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    Pulled this from Reddit, height vlaues...

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    #56
    Calina
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    It looks like the plane descended rapidly but maintained its speed...? Is it possible the pilots didn't recognise that they were losing altitude hand over fist?

    Not a pilot but I'd be stunned they couldn't feel the plane descending even if they couldn't see it - it was coming down pretty quickly. The weather was apparently good in the area.

    It makes no sense to me.


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    #57
    Larbre34
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    It looks like the plane descended rapidly but maintained its speed...? Is it possible the pilots didn't recognise that they were losing altitude hand over fist?

    Anything is possible, we'll know in about 2 years.

    The pilots may have known about it but not had control, there may have been an initial incident incapacitating the pilots and/or the cabin occupants, who knows.

    RIP


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    #58
    Bummer1234
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    dastardly00 wrote: »
    The heli seems to be flying a good bit south of where radar lost contact with the plane?

    Seems to be going fairly south indeed but could be doing what flanzer said, Could be a routine flight im not sure. Something to keep an eye on anyway.

    Premature report is up on AV herald.
    Radar data suggest the aircraft had reached FL380 about 3 minutes prior to leaving FL380 and descended from FL380 through FL110 in 8 minutes (average rate of descent 3375 fpm). The aircraft appeared to have levelled off at FL068 for one minute while on a northeasterly heading of 26 degrees true, mountains rise up to 8600 feet about 1nm north of the last reported aircraft position.


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    #59
    Tugboats
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    frightening, one can only imagine what must goes through passengers heads :(


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    #60
    crisco10
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    Wild speculation; but it does look somewhat like a controlled descent? Fairly regular descent rate, constant speed etc. But unlike being in the dark, over ocean, in bad weather, the pilots would have plenty of reference points to realise what was happening?

    At early stages, most accidents some a bit inexplicable but this one looks very very "smooth"...


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    #61
    PukkaStukka
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    Bummer1234 wrote: »
    Premature report is up on AV herald.
    They need to be treated with the usual caution. Someone else over there also reported that the black boxes had already been found....:rolleyes:


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