Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

vicwatson

Comhra wrote: »

I like the tradition of naming the aircraft after Irish saints.

It's original and the river thing has already been done by British Airways with their Boeing 737 fleet a long time ago.

Let's stick with our original saint idea instead of copying BA. We sometimes do things differently to other nations and originality is a good thing, not to be ashamed of.

Let's go secular and name them after great Irish citizens

L1011

Comhra wrote: »

I like the tradition of naming the aircraft after Irish saints.

It's original and the river thing has already been done by British Airways with their Boeing 737 fleet a long time ago.

Let's stick with our original saint idea instead of copying BA. We sometimes do things differently to other nations and originality is a good thing, not to be ashamed of.

EI will run out of actual Irish saints (arguably some of the current ones aren't anyway) soon enough. They are long since in to reusing retired names which most other airlines with naming policies don't

KLM use a naming concept per type - 747s are capitals, MD11s were famous women, etc. They don't put names on regional aircraft, whereas EI do on the few that are in full colours which has further used up the limited pool

joeysoap

A319er wrote: »

With FAO going A330 days 12345 from 29may GAJ is certainly due into service by then .

I thought it was only on Wednesday and Friday, but could be wrong.

Aer Lingus also took bookings for the October bank holiday week for Faro and then appeared to cancel some of the flights ( Thursday and Friday). Why do that so early?

Rawr

L1011 wrote: »

EI will run out of actual Irish saints (arguably some of the current ones aren't anyway) soon enough. They are long since in to reusing retired names which most other airlines with naming policies don't

KLM use a naming concept per type - 747s are capitals, MD11s were famous women, etc. They don't put names on regional aircraft, whereas EI do on the few that are in full colours which has further used up the limited pool

Now there's an idea, place names; How about the names of Irish towns / villages?
There are probably 100s of names they could use there with plenty to spare

Jamie2k9

joeysoap wrote: »

I thought it was only on Wednesday and Friday, but could be wrong.

Aer Lingus also took bookings for the October bank holiday week for Faro and then appeared to cancel some of the flights ( Thursday and Friday). Why do that so early?

Mo,Wd,Fr showing at the minute. As for the bookings probally during the summer/winter schedule switch.

Citizenpain

joeysoap wrote: »

Why would Aeroflot 'store' a 2009 320? Quick glance at airfleets show they have much older 320's active. Could this be a 'troublesome' aircraft that was first on their list for getting rid of?

This post gave me a laugh yesterday while I was waiting for a 1.5 hour delayed EI-GAL at FCO yesterday

Locker10a

Citizenpain wrote: »

joeysoap wrote: »

Why would Aeroflot 'store' a 2009 320? Quick glance at airfleets show they have much older 320's active. Could this be a 'troublesome' aircraft that was first on their list for getting rid of?

This post gave me a laugh yesterday while I was waiting for a 1.5 hour delayed EI-GAL at FCO yesterday

Oh dear :0 was it a tech delay too

Citizenpain

Locker10a wrote: »

Oh dear :0 was it a tech delay too

Flight from dub to fco delayed coz one engine wouldn't start

AndyBoBandy

The culprit

alancostello

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The culprit

Parking her right in front of the lounge as if to show off her shiny new paint job.

Tenger

duskyjoe wrote: »

Was that RTO planned?

Part of the testing program I guess?

vicwatson wrote: »

Let's go secular and name them after great Irish citizens

Irish writers would be a good place to start. Dont EI have approx 50 airframes at present?
Could keep saints on widebody, with citizens on narrowbody or vice versa?

L1011 wrote: »

EI will run out of actual Irish saints (arguably some of the current ones aren't anyway) soon enough. They are long since in to reusing retired names...............

I think Ireland has only approx 12-15 'official' Saints anyway. During the Middle Ages the Irish Church was quite independant so they had quite a few of their own 'Saints'. Hence the large pool that EI have to work with.
Back in my former career I saw the list and if memory serves it was a little under 50 names. Hence the recycling and the current odd introduction. Some of the more unusual names are old Irish names no longer used, looking at you Naithi, (a real historical person BTW)
Notice that the Regional names are ones previously used on Aer Lingus Commuter, and the names on the A321's were all Ulster Saints to reflect the Peace Process which was ongoing around the time of their delivery.

So with that in mind the 'Irish Citizens' idea continues the connection. Personally I dont find the current tradition to be religious, I find it to be historical. But then as I taught history I often look at things in terms of centuries rather than decades or years. (The missus gives out to me about that)


As regards the recyling of names, my copy of Flight of the Iolar (told you about the history fication) lets me see all the usage of names up to 1986. looking at older photos its looks like Patrick has been on 8 aircraft at this point with another 3 names similarly used 8 times.

Comhrá

Tenger wrote: »

Part of the testing program I guess?


Irish writers would be a good place to start. Dont EI have approx 50 airframes at present?
Could keep saints on widebody, with citizens on narrowbody or vice versa?I think Ireland has only approx 12-15 'official' Saints anyway. During the Middle Ages the Irish Church was quite independant so they had quite a few of their own 'Saints'. Hence the large pool that EI have to work with.
Back in my former career I saw the list and if memory serves it was a little under 50 names. Hence the recycling and the current odd introduction. Some of the more unusual names are old Irish names no longer used, looking at you Naithi, (a real historical person BTW)
Notice that the Regional names are ones previously used on Aer Lingus Commuter, and the names on the A321's were all Ulster Saints to reflect the Peace Process which was ongoing around the time of their delivery.

So with that in mind the 'Irish Citizens' idea continues the connection. Personally I dont find the current tradition to be religious, I find it to be historical. But then as I taught history I often look at things in terms of centuries rather than decades or years. (The missus gives out to me about that)


As regards the recyling of names, my copy of Flight of the Iolar (told you about the history fication) lets me see all the usage of names up to 1986. looking at older photos its looks like Patrick has been on 8 aircraft at this point with another 3 names similarly used 8 times.

I think using Irish writers names would be a great idea, esp. if the saints are all used at this stage. As Tenger says, the 'saint' idea is more historical than religious at this stage, and using the names of Irish writers or maybe even poets, would be very much in keeping with the EI culture.

Cloudio9

I'm not bothered about secular/religious, I just thing they're rubbish names for airplanes. When I see "Carthage" I think "Carnage".

It's probably a good idea to keep some of them, St. Patrick being the obvious one.

I think naming them after real people could get political and be risky if the person subsequently became controversial. Imagine BA flying the "Jimmy Saville"

Therefore, I'd be in favour of our offshore islands, rivers, mountain ranges, landmarks......

alancostello

Cloudio9 wrote: »

I'm not bothered about secular/religious, I just thing they're rubbish names for airplanes. When I see "Carthage" I think "Carnage".

It's probably a good idea to keep some of them, St. Patrick being the obvious one.

I think naming them after real people could get political and be risky if the person subsequently became controversial. Imagine BA flying the "Jimmy Saville"

Therefore, I'd be in favour of our offshore islands, rivers, mountain ranges.

Exactly. Who knows what we could find out about Yeats or Heaney in twenty years, you're not gonna get a scandal out of the name of a mountain range or a river.

I'd be happy to fly on Slaney or Lugnaquilla, to me anyway it has a closer link to the country and our heritage than Saints do.

Tenger

Cloudio9 wrote: »

I'm not bothered about secular/religious, I just thing they're rubbish names for airplanes. When I see "Carthage" I think "Carnage".

I actually know of 3 men called Carthage. Friend of my dads when I was young, a guy I still am in touch with from past workplace and a brother of a current workmate. Apparently its a not uncommon name in Kilkenny, think she is from there.
(Im quite bemused by the Irish version though, am not sure how correct that is)

HTCOne

First thing I think of with Carthage is Hannibal, must be the history nerd in me.

Bussywussy

Looks like GAJ arriving 24th,into service 26th....

joeysoap

Bussywussy wrote: »

Looks like GAJ arriving 24th,into service 26th....

Anyone watch Heathrow last night on UTV/ITV? Pilot flew to a Seattle to pickup a Dreamliner for BA. It was given a checkover at Heathrow, bit of oil added (as apparently a flight can use up some oil) and in service 2 hours later. Beautiful looking airplane.

Foggy43

joeysoap wrote: »

Anyone watch Heathrow last night on UTV/ITV? Pilot flew to a Seattle to pickup a Dreamliner for BA. It was given a checkover at Heathrow, bit of oil added (as apparently a flight can use up some oil) and in service 2 hours later. Beautiful looking airplane.

Just watched it. G-ZBKP arrived LHR Dec 8, 2016 and entered service Dec 12, 2016. It was in the air 2 hours after being towed from base to stand 575.

joeysoap

Foggy43 wrote: »

Just watched it. G-ZBKP arrived LHR Dec 8, 2016 and entered service Dec 12, 2016. It was in the air 2 hours after being towed from base to stand 575.

Thanks for that. I obviously missed that. Makes more sense than what I thought.

Foggy43

You didn't miss anything. I checked on what was said. The base input wasn't mentioned. Equipment and software needs loading before revenue flights. Hyped up a little perhaps.

Bussywussy

Foggy43 wrote: »

Equipment and software needs loading before revenue flights.

Some management/fleet planners in airlines fail to understand this....

EchoIndia

Tenger wrote: »

I actually know of 3 men called Carthage. Friend of my dads when I was young, a guy I still am in touch with from past workplace and a brother of a current workmate. Apparently its a not uncommon name in Kilkenny, think she is from there.
(Im quite bemused by the Irish version though, am not sure how correct that is)

I thought the Irish language version was "Cárthach" and provided the basis for the well-known Irish surname McCarthy.

LXFlyer

EchoIndia wrote: »

I thought the Irish language version was "Cárthach" and provides the basis for the well-know Irish surname McCarthy.

The saint was known in Irish as Naomh Mo Chutu mac Fíanaill but was also known as Carthach or Carthach the Younger.

That then forms the basis for Saint Carthage in English!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_Chutu_of_Lismore

As above it's a nice tradition that refers back to ancient Ireland and I don't see any harm in it.

Locker10a

Bussywussy wrote: »

Foggy43 wrote: »

Equipment and software needs loading before revenue flights.

Some management/fleet planners in airlines fail to understand this....

Yeah, the same ones who think 40min turns, all day, on Fridays and Sundays, in summer, will work.....

Tenger

Locker10a wrote: »

Yeah, the same ones who think 40min turns, all day, on Fridays and Sundays, in summer, will work.....

Dont feel special, that mgmt planning belief exists all over.
EG; Physically relocationing the company over the weekend and being surprised that it wasnt up to speed again by Monday!

Kournikova

Tenger wrote: »

I think Ireland has only approx 12-15 'official' Saints anyway. During the Middle Ages the Irish Church was quite independant so they had quite a few of their own 'Saints'. Hence the large pool that EI have to work with.

Yep there seems to be a ton of Saints from the era when local churches could make whoever they want into a Saint.

So with that in mind the 'Irish Citizens' idea continues the connection. Personally I dont find the current tradition to be religious, I find it to be historical. But then as I taught history I often look at things in terms of centuries rather than decades or years. (The missus gives out to me about that)

I agree, I think its more histrorical and highlight in a lot of cases Irish names these days and given 101 things are named after authors in Ireland I like that EI are somewhat more unique.

Also 'notable Irish people' would descend into any twopence ha'penny sportsperson on the side of an A350 just for some attention for the press release.

L1011

Rawr wrote: »

Now there's an idea, place names; How about the names of Irish towns / villages?
There are probably 100s of names they could use there with plenty to spare

Done by Ryanair until the fleet got too big. "Spirit of X"

TheFitz13

Any update on GAM?

goingnowhere

GAM is St Brona apparently