Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Jamie2k9

Notice the new 333 has 313 seats as opposed to 317 on the rest, few less economy seats.

Bussywussy

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Notice the new 333 has 313 seats as opposed to 317 on the rest, few less economy seats.

To allow entry to the underfloor crew rest area around door 3l

PaulKK

Any risk to the early agp runs over the next few weeks on the 330 with FNG out of action?

Specifically chose the early flight because it was the 330.

Jamie2k9

PaulKK wrote: »

Any risk to the early agp runs over the next few weeks on the 330 with FNG out of action?

Specifically chose the early flight because it was the 330.

No, way to late to cancel that now. Shouldn't be a problem.

joeysoap

A319er wrote: »

FNG out of service for a few weeks so ad hoc hire ins will occur
Damaged in JFK 20 May went to Airbus for some major repairs yesterday

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Out of curiosity, if it's damaged enough to require a few weeks repairs, how did AL get it home from NY? Were passengers on board or empty?

billy few mates

joeysoap wrote: »

Out of curiosity, if it's damaged enough to require a few weeks repairs, how did AL get it home from NY? Were passengers on board or empty?

And what happened it...?

joeysoap

Bussywussy wrote: »

There's one got damaged by equipment in JFK,GAJ will be due to arrive tomorrow night or weds

alancostello wrote: »

EI-FNG is gone to Bordeaux for maintenance after an issue in New York, might explain it?

A319er wrote: »

FNG out of service for a few weeks so ad hoc hire ins will occur
Damaged in JFK 20 May went to Airbus for some major repairs yesterday

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I don't know. Would AL have insurance for the loss of aircraft/damage repairs?

I saw a few years ago a bird strike hit a RY aircraft in Rome and it had to written off. Assume insurance covered this?

There's a lot more to running an airline than selling a few tickets.

Cloudio9

joeysoap wrote: »

I don't know. Would AL have insurance for the loss of aircraft/damage repairs?

Of course they do but in this case I imagine the insurance of whoever operates the ground equipment is covering the costs.

Bussywussy

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Of course they do but in this case I imagine the insurance of whoever operates the ground equipment is covering the costs.

only covers up-to a certain amount...which will definitely cost the airline more in lost revenue etc

Tenger

joeysoap wrote: »

Out of curiosity, if it's damaged enough to require a few weeks repairs, how did AL get it home from NY? Were passengers on board or empty?

I saw it posted as JFK-BOD with flight number of EI991 or similar. EI use fight numbets like this for empty flights. Might have just had cabin crew in addition to pilots.

Obviously aircraft was fine to fly but damage affected carriage of revenue passengers somehow.

goingnowhere

joeysoap wrote: »

Out of curiosity, if it's damaged enough to require a few weeks repairs, how did AL get it home from NY? Were passengers on board or empty?

Damage may result in aircraft not meeting ETOPS, or MEL saying cannot fly with passengers

Say someone clipped the winglet, its legal to remove the winglet and fly but could take some serious engineering to fix the mounting

Cloudio9

Bussywussy wrote: »

only covers up-to a certain amount...which will definitely cost the airline more in lost revenue etc

Source?

A319er

FNG was hit hard by JetBlue ramp equipment, baggage belt Loader
Impact was hard enough to cause severe internal structural damage to strut inside bulk cargo door, result aircraft routed JFK DUB nil pax limit 18000 ft
Then onwards to France, repairs will involve strip down and re build fuselage from L2 R2 to rear doors, major work involved and Only Airbus certified to carry this work out .

Bussywussy

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Source?

there's a certain limit of cover of insurance from contracted ramp agents..I know for this from a past incident...

Cloudio9

Bussywussy wrote: »

there's a certain limit of cover of insurance from contracted ramp agents..I know for this from a past incident...

Just because your insurance has a limit doesnt mean your liability is capped unless there's some agreement limiting liability.

goingnowhere

Oh dear, I'd imagine if it was LAX that got whacked it might not be fixed, FNG is less than a year old so no brainer to fix

Tenger

I thought it was routed JFK-BOD. Was pretty sure I saw a screen shoot from FR24 posted on facebook. Could well be wrong.

That repair sounds pretty nasty. Hefty bill handed over to JetBlue I think?

marno21

Tenger wrote: »

I thought it was routed JFK-BOD. Was pretty sure I saw a screen shoot from FR24 posted on facebook. Could well be wrong.

That repair sounds pretty nasty. Hefty bill handed over to JetBlue I think?

Went JFK-DUB and then DUB-BOD.

https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/ei-fng

Captain_Crash

goingnowhere wrote: »

Say someone clipped the winglet, its legal to remove the winglet and fly but could take some serious engineering to fix the mounting

This happened a few years ago in ORD, engineers just took the winglet off and put it in the hold and flew the aircraft back as normal. I have photos of it on my PC at home, however considering the contents, its not prudent of me to post them online.

I don't know if the passengers were kept on the flight. I pretty sure you cant take off with a missing winglet with passengers, but if one falls off in flight its ok to continue. Maybe someone else can confirm.

goingnowhere

Apparently its legal to fly

Fuel + performance penalty

A319er

A319er wrote: »

FNG was hit hard by JetBlue ramp equipment, baggage belt Loader
Impact was hard enough to cause severe internal structural damage to strut inside bulk cargo door, result aircraft routed JFK DUB nil pax limit 18000 ft
Then onwards to France, repairs will involve strip down and re build fuselage from L2 R2 to rear doors, major work involved and Only Airbus certified to carry this work out .

It crossed from JFK at 39,000ft.

TheFitz13

Any ideas when it will return?

TheFitz13

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Any ideas when it will return?

Maybe today.

TheFitz13

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Any ideas when it will return?

She's back. Can't have been that big a problem and certainly didn't need a rebuild by Airbus.

marno21

Any reason why EI-CBK, the ATR 42, has been out of service all week? EI are using the 72 at the minute on the KIR route.

billy few mates

Deleted User wrote: »

She's back. Can't have been that big a problem and certainly didn't need a rebuild by Airbus.

Why does something like this have to go all the way to BOD to be done...?
It can't have been that drastic if it's back flying already, surely EI have some inhouse SMW capability...?

Tenger

[Deleted User] wrote: »

She's back. Can't have been that big a problem and certainly didn't need a rebuild by Airbus.

Im going to assume that it might have had the potential to have been worse?
Perhaps for certification it had to be an Airbus repair rather than fully qualified EI teams?
Hence the ferry to BOD.

billy few mates

If BOD can do it anybody should be able to do it.
If it's not in the SRM then AI will issue the repair instructions, it doesn't matter who does the actual work. Surely they have some SMW capability in house, they have the hangar they must have the people...?

colbarr

Even if they don't have the people, would it not be cheaper to fly an Airbus engineer over instead of ferrying the plane there an back?

Tenger

Tenger wrote: »

Im going to assume that it might have had the potential to have been worse?
Perhaps for certification it had to be an Airbus repair rather than fully qualified EI teams?
Hence the ferry to BOD.

I agree, preemptive more than anything. Damage that was borderline and probably needed to be certified by AI rather than the rebuild that was suggested by another poster on the last page.

Impact was hard enough to cause severe internal structural damage to strut inside bulk cargo door, result aircraft routed JFK DUB nil pax limit 18000 ft
Then onwards to France, repairs will involve strip down and re build fuselage from L2 R2 to rear doors, major work involved and Only Airbus certified to carry this work out .

It can't have been that severe if it was only down there 3 days and back in operation the day after.