Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

California Dreamer

Anybody know why last nights 108 only left at 0500 today instead of the scheduled 2120 last night?

alancostello

Some nice pics of EI-GCF on insta

https://instagram.com/p/Bbw9JtYjkOH/

IE 222

In terms of a Vegas flight would it be possible to go daily LAX during winter with a stop of in Vegas 3 days a week. Summer could see Vegas dropped to twice weekly.

Noxegon

IE 222 wrote: »

In terms of a Vegas flight would it be possible to go daily LAX during winter with a stop of in Vegas 3 days a week. Summer could see Vegas dropped to twice weekly.

Why would they want to do that? Those going to LAX would simply switch to the Ethiopian service which runs non-stop.

kevinandrew

Travel Extra have got a few things wrong in the past, they’ve taken what the Aer Lingus CEO said about the A350s slightly out of context in this instance.


It was basically confirmed at the SEA announcement the A350s are gone for the time being, EI will focus on the A321LR and take advantage of any oppourtunities regarding more A330s should they arise. Looking ahead, current and new markets could be explored for the A350 but it’s not in their immediate plans.


We all know the A350 would be suited or at least justifiable on JFK/BOS/ORD for the capacity boost and also on SFO for both capacity and efficiency reasons. The A350 comes into its own on routes longer than 9 hours which are currently SFO/LAX/SEA of which only SFO could comfortably absorb the increase in capacity. By the mid-2020s I think we’ll see EI looking again at A330 replacement and the A350 will be the first port of call.

duskyjoe

California Dreamer wrote: »

Anybody know why last nights 108 only left at 0500 today instead of the scheduled 2120 last night?

Tech, aircraft change on 109—- reactionary

billie1b

Supposedly EI-GCF will be operating a couple of flights every 2 weeks now instead of going into deep storage due to the costs of deep storage and checks involved.

IE 222

Noxegon wrote: »

Why would they want to do that? Those going to LAX would simply switch to the Ethiopian service which runs non-stop.

Extending to LAX will help take up any slack in demand to LAS. Obviously the stop off days will be operate the days Ethiopian don't.

JCX BXC

IE 222 wrote: »

Extending to LAX will help take up any slack in demand to LAS. Obviously the stop off days will be operate the days Ethiopian don't.

Day of the unnecessary stopover is well and truly gone imo.

Kournikova

Also I dont think the open skies agreement allows EU carriers do fifth freedom in the US but allows US ones do it in Europe? So unless tickets could be sold just between LAS-LAX would there be any point?

As noted the unnecessary stopover has died off aside from a few flights in Asia and Africa and I think some of the BA leisure flights to the Caribbean still have stopovers.

Noxegon

IE 222 wrote: »

Extending to LAX will help take up any slack in demand to LAS.

Or they could just fly to LAX in the first place, which is where the demand is.

I don't get this hangup for LAS. If the profit was there then you can bet it would be operated, if not by EI, then by one of the low frills carriers.

Bussywussy

billie1b wrote: »

Supposedly EI-GCF will be operating a couple of flights every 2 weeks now instead of going into deep storage due to the costs of deep storage and checks involved.

I heard that too and there's a Qatar A330 coming

Idbatterim

Noxegon wrote: »

Or they could just fly to LAX in the first place, which is where the demand is.

I don't get this hangup for LAS. If the profit was there then you can bet it would be operated, if not by EI, then by one of the low frills carriers.

Conference capital of the world and a substabtial amount of leisure passengers fly there from Ireland . Have you ever been to Vegas?

JCX BXC

Idbatterim wrote: »

Conference capital of the world and a substabtial amount of leisure passengers fly there from Ireland . Have you ever been to Vegas?

Simply stating that doesn't make a market, nor does asking people have they been to Vegas prove your point.

Aer Lingus have a very proactive expansion plan, and if Vegas hasn't made it (yet), then I'm pretty sure that dissolves any debate of how lucrative it's being made out to be.

HTCOne

Idbatterim wrote: »

Conference capital of the world and a substabtial amount of leisure passengers fly there from Ireland . Have you ever been to Vegas?

There’s no market in the other direction, so there’s always going to be other US cities ahead of it in the queue. EI is quite heavily reliant on the Irish-American visiting the old sod

IE 222

A lot of people will travel to Vegas as part of California trip which EI wouldn't have figures for.

Im only suggesting the LAX extension as option if LAS flights needed a boost but as mentioned 5th freedom rights would probably prevent that.

marno21

IAG have access to a lot of data on connecting passengers both with EI passengers connecting in the US with Jetblue/United etc and through LHR/LGW with British Airways. If Las Vegas isn't being served directly from Dublin there's a very good reason for it.

Tenger

HTCOne wrote: »

There’s no market in the other direction, so there’s always going to be other US cities ahead of it in the queue. EI is quite heavily reliant on the Irish-American visiting the old sod

Not as much as in the past. Recent performance announcements state that up to 50% of their bookings on T/A flights are US or Euro based connecting passengers. They only see the connections desk in T2.



While Las Vegas may be a massive tourist spot and “convention capital of the world”, it doesn’t automatically mean profit for EI. Probably no cargo market, those conventions are mostly US attended, tourists can connect (usually cheaper) from other US cities, it won’t have the same level of people traveling back and forth to work than other currently operated cities.

Their COO did previously state that LAS was waiting in their “cab rank” of possible routes, but that there are other routes ahead of it in viability. EI want each new route to be making a profit ASAP, they can’t absorb a route that needs to develop for a year or two.

Idbatterim

I get are lingus position on it. They are ultra cautious. I hope Norwegian launch it ...

Locker10a

Idbatterim wrote: »

I get are lingus position on it. They are ultra cautious. I hope Norwegian launch it ...

I think their position is a business one, they’ll select new routes in order of which ones will make the most money, I’m sure Vegas is on their list but above it are other routes with greater revenue potential

Noxegon

Idbatterim wrote: »

Conference capital of the world and a substabtial amount of leisure passengers fly there from Ireland . Have you ever been to Vegas?

Several times. I’ve also been to Montevideo, Dhaka, Recife, Guatemala, and Pyongyang. I don’t think that Aer Lingus should fly to those either

goingnowhere

My employer has a no Vegas policy for travel, not allowed go, apparently doesn't look good to management/clients.

SEA has the benefit of business and it appears major customers have been signed up to bootstrap the flights.

What FDI companies in Ireland have a connection to Vegas? None I would guess, Seattle you have Amazon, Microsoft, Google also has an office add in all the airline leasing companies, Boeing, even Ryanair are all going to be major customers with significant year round volume.

kona

Noxegon wrote: »

Several times. I’ve also been to Montevideo, Dhaka, Recife, Guatemala, and Pyongyang. I don’t think that Aer Lingus should fly to those either

Ah yea pyongyang, the worlds second most populer conference destination. I hear their leisure travel industry is booming for stag and hen parties.

L1011

goingnowhere wrote: »

My employer has a no Vegas policy for travel, not allowed go, apparently doesn't look good to management/clients.

SEA has the benefit of business and it appears major customers have been signed up to bootstrap the flights.

What FDI companies in Ireland have a connection to Vegas? None I would guess, Seattle you have Amazon, Microsoft, Google also has an office add in all the airline leasing companies, Boeing, even Ryanair are all going to be major customers with significant year round volume.

No business has a permanent connection to Vegas - the point is that there will be conferences - multiple - on every single day.

However, as stated on the thread, EI are likely to have extremely good info on loads and fares paid to Vegas as the main routes use their metal (or other IAG metal) to get to LHR/LGW to begin with. So if they've decided not to go for it its unlikely there is quite enough higher yielding traffic.

flanzer

goingnowhere wrote: »

My employer has a no Vegas policy for travel, not allowed go, apparently doesn't look good to management/clients.

I never thought of that before. Good on your employer!

billy few mates

goingnowhere wrote: »

My employer has a no Vegas policy for travel, not allowed go, apparently doesn't look good to management/clients.

SEA has the benefit of business and it appears major customers have been signed up to bootstrap the flights.

What FDI companies in Ireland have a connection to Vegas? None I would guess, Seattle you have Amazon, Microsoft, Google also has an office add in all the airline leasing companies, Boeing, even Ryanair are all going to be major customers with significant year round volume.

The Ryanair tickets will only be one way though, they'll make their own way back..

Tenger

goingnowhere wrote: »

My employer has a no Vegas policy for travel, not allowed go, apparently doesn't look good to management/clients.
.......

Funny that. A mate of mine was supposed to go to a conference in EuroDisney last summer! It ended up being called off as his boss thought it was a bit frivolous.
Shame as I was planning on tagging along for the free room!!

billy few mates wrote: »

The Ryanair tickets will only be one way though, they'll make their own way back..

Marcusm

Tenger wrote: »

Funny that. A mate of mine was supposed to go to a conference in EuroDisney last summer! It ended up being called off as his boss thought it was a bit frivolous.
Shame as I was planning on tagging along for the free room!!

I’ve done conferences there when it was Eurodisney and at waltDisneyWorld in Florida. Neither has anything going for them other than the hotel rooms are v cheap out of holiday season.

Generally end up stuck in conference rooms, limited bars and other outlets. Boardwalk at Epcot maybe accessible.

Bussywussy

Theres deffo ex Qatar A332 coming and GCF will not be flying every 2 weeks as rumoured

Jamie2k9

Appears to be a few rumours suggesting that BHD-FAO/AGP will be operated by ASL B733 to allow EI keep an extra A320 at DUB.