The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 5:27pm

gandalf wrote: »

Again deflection. Russia upgraded the base in Tartus in 2009 so far from closing it down they were expanding its use.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-military-personnel-pull-out-of-syria-naval-base/

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 5:28pm

Gatling wrote: »

Was speaking at an event and someone took a 2min section of the video and edited to suit an agenda .

Not for the first time either

What agenda Biden clearly said US allies armed Jihadists.

ArchXStanton · 18-03-2018 5:29pm

Discodog wrote: »

Well if it's ok for Assad to invite the Russians, why can't the Kurds invite the Americans ?

Can you find a source for me on that invite? Seems the Americans made a move when they seen their plans for regime change turn into ashes...ah well there is always the human rights abuses going on next door in palestine to sort out,oh wait

Gatling · 18-03-2018 5:30pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What agenda

The same one your repeating blame everyone else for Syria bar assputin

Discodog · 18-03-2018 5:31pm

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Can you find a source for me on that invite? Seems the Americans made a move when they seen their plans for regime change turn into ashes...ah well there is always the human rights abuses going on next door in palestine to sort out,oh wait

Cheerful Spring said it so it must be true

ArchXStanton · 18-03-2018 5:33pm

Discodog wrote: »

Cheerful Spring said it so it must be true

In fact Gatling said it,but I'm still waiting on a link,I've a feeling I'll be waiting a while..

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 5:34pm

Gatling wrote: »

The same one your repeating blame everyone else for Syria bar assputin

This claim is made by Biden the former vice president of the United States. The position I hold is confirmed US allies armed Jihadists to overthrow Assad. It knows longer a conspiracy when both sides have that similar viewpoint.

Discodog · 18-03-2018 5:36pm

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Like the Kurds inviting the US into Syria?

Actually you said it.

ArchXStanton · 18-03-2018 5:40pm

Discodog wrote: »

Actually you said it.

It was posted in another thread yesterday,when I asked him who invited the US into Syria anyways,he told me the Kurds...it was at this point I knew he was making stuff up to suit his view

JenovaProject · 18-03-2018 5:41pm

Discodog wrote: »

Actually you said it.

Nice try...its was Gatlinganda with no link to back it up

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 5:42pm

America is allowing Turkey to invade Kurdish captured regions in Northern Syria now so I doubt the Kurds are happy with their so-called allies. A disgrace really after their valiant effort beating Isis. Russia should be ashamed also not condemning this.

ArchXStanton · 18-03-2018 5:43pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

America is allowing Turkey to invade Kurdish captured regions in Northern Syria now so I doubt the Kurds are happy with their so-called allies. A disgrace really after their valiant effort beating Isis. Russia should be ashamed also not condemning this.

That's what happens when you jump into bed with the US

Gatling · 18-03-2018 5:46pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Kurds are happy with their so-called allies. A disgrace really after their valiant effort beating Isis.

Wait wasn't the narrative russia beat Isis .

Odd another swing

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 5:46pm

ArchXStanton wrote: »

That's what happens when you jump into bed with the US

I think all sides should tell Turkey to stop it. Russia and America are letting this happen I think is a disgrace.

Discodog · 18-03-2018 5:46pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

America is allowing Turkey to invade Kurdish captured regions in Northern Syria now so I doubt the Kurds are happy with their so-called allies. A disgrace really after their valiant effort beating Isis. Russia should be ashamed also not condemning this.

Careful now :pac:

Billy86 · 18-03-2018 5:53pm

Dinarius wrote: »

This is indeed a thread about Putin. So, if someone makes a valid point about/against him, don’t talk about how something else may be even worse - refute the point made, or shut up.

D.

But but but... that's not how whataboutism works?

Now let me tell you something about Obama... (I say this as a joke but can almost guarantee one of our peculiarly pro-everything-and-anything-Putin-related-ever friends will do so with as straight a face as Uncle Vladdy himself).

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 6:00pm

Gatling wrote: »

Wait wasn't the narrative russia beat Isis .

Odd another swing

Russia helped the process of defeating Isis in Syria. Russia air campaign bombing Isis allowed the Syrian army to make rapid advances and retake Isis territory. Isis is not defeated though they are regrouping in Afganistan, Africa and Libya. Isis fighters are still surviving in remote areas of Syria.

gandalf · 18-03-2018 6:01pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-military-personnel-pull-out-of-syria-naval-base/

So you're saying the Russians upgrade the base to only pull out their personal a couple of years later. https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20090720/177967779.html

Funny how there are reports of Russian special forces being based there a year before.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/19/201791.html

I call maskirovka

Gatling · 18-03-2018 6:04pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia helped the process of defeating Isis in Syria. Russia air campaign bombing Isis allowed the Syrian army to make rapid advances

But are still under siege in many parts odd considering

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 6:06pm

ArchXStanton wrote: »

That's what happens when you jump into bed with the US

Kurds closest ally in the region was the US. America paid and armed Kurdish fighters to fight Isis. It was a betrayal and how easily they got ignored when Turkey started attacking them. Americans are not dependable allies.

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 6:10pm

gandalf wrote: »

So you're saying the Russians upgrade the base to only pull out their personal a couple of years later. https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20090720/177967779.html

Funny how there are reports of Russian special forces being based there a year before.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/19/201791.html

I call maskirovka

Russian military pulling out is a redraw. Your first link is from 2009 when Syria was at peace. The second link is 2012

The link I posted is from 2013, more current information.

gandalf · 18-03-2018 6:18pm

Personnally Cheerful I don't see the Russians giving up their only Mediterranean base so easily and their recent actions prove that. Again the Russians weren't invited in, they were already there.

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 6:19pm

Gatling wrote: »

But are still under siege in many parts odd considering

Isis does not control cities in Syria anymore. In ghouta Syria forces are fighting , Jaysh al-Islam (Al Qaeda) and Tahrir al-Sham. Their reports now the groups are fighting among themselves now.

Latest news.
Militants from radical groups Faylaq al-Rahman have cut their ties with the Tahrir al-Sham terrorist organization with the aim to leave Eastern Ghouta. It is also reported that several clashes occurred between militants of the two groups. The decision to split was taken after a number of demonstrations in the town of Kafr Batna. According to local sources, citizens of the town who have been suffering from the war every day demanded that the jihadists leave the region. Many of them believe that the terrorists’ withdrawal will finally bring peace to Eastern Ghouta.

Gatling · 18-03-2018 6:20pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Isis does not control cities in Syria anymore. In ghouta Syria forces are fighting , Jaysh al-Islam (Al Qaeda) and Tahrir al-Sham. Their reports now the groups are fighting among themselves now.

Latest news.

According to who

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 6:22pm

gandalf wrote: »

Personnally Cheerful I don't see the Russians giving up their only Mediterranean base so easily and their recent actions prove that. Again the Russians weren't invited in, they were already there.

Definitely not now they have expanded the base now after joining the war.

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 6:24pm

Gatling wrote: »

According to who

According to who what?

Discodog · 18-03-2018 6:25pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Definitely not now they have expanded the base now after joining the war.

That's the problem when you invite the Bear to your home.

gandalf · 18-03-2018 6:26pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Definitely not now they have expanded the base now after joining the war.

They never were going to leave. Although if Assad got toppled the new regime would no doubt have dealt with the actors that had aided him to stay in power. Hence the real reason for Russia upping it's direct involvement in Syria. They are propping up their puppet.

Cheerful Spring · 18-03-2018 6:32pm

gandalf wrote: »

They never were going to leave. Although if Assad got toppled the new regime would no doubt have dealt with the actors that had aided him to stay in power. Hence the real reason for Russian upping it's direct involvement in Syria. They are propping up their puppet.

The new regime would be controlled by Saudi Arabia and UAE. There more jihadists in Syria than Syrian free army fighters. Assad got toppled those groups would start fighting among themselves and start a new civil war. Iraq is very different the largest ethnic population in Baghdad is Shia.

Discodog · 18-03-2018 6:33pm

gandalf wrote: »

They never were going to leave. Although if Assad got toppled the new regime would no doubt have dealt with the actors that had aided him to stay in power. Hence the real reason for Russia upping it's direct involvement in Syria. They are propping up their puppet.

Plus Russia needs bases as it doesn't have the carriers to match the US, China etc. The US can have an airbase anywhere in the World. The B2s that bombed Iraq flew from the US mainland

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