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Live Manhunt! Escaped Prisoner

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Could they not tag the criminal for the duration of time they are outside the prison walls?
    They tried playing tag but the prisoners wouldn't get into the spirit of it. Everytime they were "it" they just ran away while the guards were hiding.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    jmayo wrote: »
    Why give him any treatment ?

    because he is entitled to it. and thats what a civilized society does. a civilized society where rabel rabel backward opinion has no place.
    jmayo wrote: »
    He has cost the state hundreds of thousands and probably mroe over the coming days.

    get over it. all are entitled to health care. the fact he escaped is the fault of the powers that be.
    jmayo wrote: »
    Why should the health service waste money on him.

    because its their job to treat all, therefore not wasting money
    jmayo wrote: »
    Offer the treatment to someone deserving of it.

    can't be done thankfully. there is no such thing as those more deserving of treatment. all are deserving of treatment regardless. his treatment can't be offered to someone else as it will be tailored to whats required for his situation.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,168 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    because he is entitled to it. and thats what a civilized society does. a civilized society where rabel rabel backward opinion has no place.

    get over it. all are entitled to health care. the fact he escaped is the fault of the powers that be.

    because its their job to treat all, therefore not wasting money

    can't be done thankfully. there is no such thing as those more deserving of treatment. all are deserving of treatment regardless. his treatment can't be offered to someone else as it will be tailored to whats required for his situation.

    I see school is out for the day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭Field east


    Judging from what the media is saying , the whole episode is gone beyond comphrension. We have extremely short memories. The case of the prisoner returning from a court case absconded from a prison van around Inchicore when the officers stopped for chips comes to mind.
    The things that this prisoner was capable of was well known to the prison staff. He therefor should have been given no information re time and going where , apart for repayment andŵ have been adequately restrained at all times - even when in the toilet. Eg. Secure a chain around each leg and keep them taunt at all times - they coming from under the door. So that when he alights from the toilet each guard is the length of the chain - say two metres- away from him- and he cannot touch either. Handcuffs are then put on by ordering prisoner to lie on stomach with hands behind back and proceed to fix cuffs on. Provide a clean mat for the lie down.

    Where is the ball and chain gone to. - to the museum

    Is there not a gizmo that secures both legs together - allows the prisoner to walk but not to run. - imagine trying to straddle a bike. Gone to the museum again!

    Was the prisoner not searched before he left the prison.

    How did he know what hospital he was going to and at what time and how did he convey this to the biker. Are prisoners allowed mobile phones in prison .And is it not enough for him to be given a few minutes notice that he is going to hospital and that it is not necessary to say which hospital?

    Did the prison van in which he came in not have a toilet?

    If it's a no 1 give him one of those specially designed pee jars and get him a quiet corner - less opportunity for an implement to be left for him.

    Are all areas that a prisoner occupies- and especially areas where he is out of sight , such has toilets- searched beforehand for knives dyes , pepper spray , baseball bats, guns, bombs and the like.

    All bulls should be treated as dangerous all of the time - even though most of
    them are quiet. So the careful farmer will always have an appropriate weapon in his hand such as a stick or a fork and pay his full attention to the bull at all times when he is close by such as in a shed or even in a field. It may be from the corner of his eye but he knows where the bull is and is constantly monitoring him. Farmer is even more careful during the mating season - that's for cows now. In a field where there is a bull the farmer will keep as far away as possible and will have an escape route spotted at all times. Eg gate , under an electric fence , climb a ditch, etc . Another security device used with bulls is the attachment of a yard long rigid pole to the bulls nose ring. The bull can then be lead in total security. This paragraph could be examined to see if something in it could have application in protecting anyone escorting prisoners

    I hope that ' the cutting back in resources' outcry is not proffered as to why this break happened. Handcuffs , chains, locks, leg cuffs , poles would cost very little and may already be in the prison stores. Some of this stuff may be ex stock in the US.
    Some posters may be on about the lack of dignity , individuals rights re some of the above. But dignity was not on his agenda when terrorising people during his escapades. We also have to do whatever is necessary to protect staff as a priority


  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    Field east wrote: »
    Judging from what the media is saying , the whole episode is gone beyond comphrension. We have extremely short memories. The case of the prisoner returning from a court case absconded from a prison van around Inchicore when the officers stopped for chips comes to mind.
    The things that this prisoner was capable of was well known to the prison staff. He therefor should have been given no information re time and going where , apart for repayment andŵ have been adequately restrained at all times - even when in the toilet. Eg. Secure a chain around each leg and keep them taunt at all times - they coming from under the door. So that when he alights from the toilet each guard is the length of the chain - say two metres- away from him- and he cannot touch either. Handcuffs are then put on by ordering prisoner to lie on stomach with hands behind back and proceed to fix cuffs on. Provide a clean mat for the lie down.

    Where is the ball and chain gone to. - to the museum

    Is there not a gizmo that secures both legs together - allows the prisoner to walk but not to run. - imagine trying to straddle a bike. Gone to the museum again!

    Was the prisoner not searched before he left the prison.

    How did he know what hospital he was going to and at what time and how did he convey this to the biker. Are prisoners allowed mobile phones in prison .And is it not enough for him to be given a few minutes notice that he is going to hospital and that it is not necessary to say which hospital?

    Did the prison van in which he came in not have a toilet?

    If it's a no 1 give him one of those specially designed pee jars and get him a quiet corner - less opportunity for an implement to be left for him.

    Are all areas that a prisoner occupies- and especially areas where he is out of sight , such has toilets- searched beforehand for knives dyes , pepper spray , baseball bats, guns, bombs and the like.

    All bulls should be treated as dangerous all of the time - even though most of
    them are quiet. So the careful farmer will always have an appropriate weapon in his hand such as a stick or a fork and pay his full attention to the bull at all times when he is close by such as in a shed or even in a field. It may be from the corner of his eye but he knows where the bull is and is constantly monitoring him. Farmer is even more careful during the mating season - that's for cows now. In a field where there is a bull the farmer will keep as far away as possible and will have an escape route spotted at all times. Eg gate , under an electric fence , climb a ditch, etc . Another security device used with bulls is the attachment of a yard long rigid pole to the bulls nose ring. The bull can then be lead in total security. This paragraph could be examined to see if something in it could have application in protecting anyone escorting prisoners

    I hope that ' the cutting back in resources' outcry is not proffered as to why this break happened. Handcuffs , chains, locks, leg cuffs , poles would cost very little and may already be in the prison stores. Some of this stuff may be ex stock in the US.
    Some posters may be on about the lack of dignity , individuals rights re some of the above. But dignity was not on his agenda when terrorising people during his escapades. We also have to do whatever is necessary to protect staff as a priority

    You could also amputate a leg and store it and re attach it later!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Field east wrote: »
    Judging from what the media is saying , the whole episode is gone beyond comphrension. We have extremely short memories. The case of the prisoner returning from a court case absconded from a prison van around Inchicore when the officers stopped for chips comes to mind.
    The things that this prisoner was capable of was well known to the prison staff. He therefor should have been given no information re time and going where , apart for repayment andŵ have been adequately restrained at all times - even when in the toilet. Eg. Secure a chain around each leg and keep them taunt at all times - they coming from under the door. So that when he alights from the toilet each guard is the length of the chain - say two metres- away from him- and he cannot touch either. Handcuffs are then put on by ordering prisoner to lie on stomach with hands behind back and proceed to fix cuffs on. Provide a clean mat for the lie down.

    Where is the ball and chain gone to. - to the museum

    Is there not a gizmo that secures both legs together - allows the prisoner to walk but not to run. - imagine trying to straddle a bike. Gone to the museum again!

    Was the prisoner not searched before he left the prison.

    How did he know what hospital he was going to and at what time and how did he convey this to the biker. Are prisoners allowed mobile phones in prison .And is it not enough for him to be given a few minutes notice that he is going to hospital and that it is not necessary to say which hospital?

    Did the prison van in which he came in not have a toilet?

    If it's a no 1 give him one of those specially designed pee jars and get him a quiet corner - less opportunity for an implement to be left for him.

    Are all areas that a prisoner occupies- and especially areas where he is out of sight , such has toilets- searched beforehand for knives dyes , pepper spray , baseball bats, guns, bombs and the like.

    All bulls should be treated as dangerous all of the time - even though most of
    them are quiet. So the careful farmer will always have an appropriate weapon in his hand such as a stick or a fork and pay his full attention to the bull at all times when he is close by such as in a shed or even in a field. It may be from the corner of his eye but he knows where the bull is and is constantly monitoring him. Farmer is even more careful during the mating season - that's for cows now. In a field where there is a bull the farmer will keep as far away as possible and will have an escape route spotted at all times. Eg gate , under an electric fence , climb a ditch, etc . Another security device used with bulls is the attachment of a yard long rigid pole to the bulls nose ring. The bull can then be lead in total security. This paragraph could be examined to see if something in it could have application in protecting anyone escorting prisoners

    I hope that ' the cutting back in resources' outcry is not proffered as to why this break happened. Handcuffs , chains, locks, leg cuffs , poles would cost very little and may already be in the prison stores. Some of this stuff may be ex stock in the US.
    Some posters may be on about the lack of dignity , individuals rights re some of the above. But dignity was not on his agenda when terrorising people during his escapades. We also have to do whatever is necessary to protect staff as a priority
    all of that nonsense died out years ago due to cost. they weren't cost effective. a prisoner is usually fully secure when being transported. there will be an investigation where we will get the actual facts.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭somesoldiers


    crusier wrote: »
    You could also amputate a leg and store it and re attach it later!

    Richard Kimble knows a lad with a fake arm


  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭dubdamo


    chrysagon wrote: »
    questions should be asked about how inept prison officers seem to be..

    Perhaps you should make your way to the prison nearest to you and ask some of the staff as they enter/leave the prison. If you are close to portlaoise you could always make your way there and ask the colleagues of the two stabbed officers about how inept they are. Or you could just stick to making stupid comments on boards, I think you will do the latter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Just to address some of field east's points.

    Prisoners are not allowed to be handcuffed behind their backs. The Gardai are allowed to do it but Prison Officers are not. That's a directive from management.

    We're not allowed to shackle their feet like in the U.S.

    Prison vans do not have toilet facilities.

    All prisoners are searched leaving and entering prison. My guess is he got something from an outside agent.

    Any toilets, exam rooms in hospitals etc should be searched prior to a prisoner using them. That's not to say something could be missed though. False panels in a ceiling could be an example there. I'd always check the cistern on an escort.

    In practise, a prisoner should not know his hospital dates but rather a rough time frame, ie 'We will see you in April, John'. Should be similar with courts etc but then there is Solicitor/Client confidentiality so the brief could tell the prisoner in privacy.
    Originally posted by Field East

    All bulls should be treated as dangerous even though most of them are usually quiet.

    I agree 100% with you.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    He's just been found in Belfast according to RTE!

    News alert on my phone - doesn't appear to be on the site yet

    Edit:

    Link: www.rte.ie/news/2015/0218/681015-derek-brockwell-search/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,444 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Sitting outside a Wetherspoons pub apparently. Keeping up the link with cutlery!

    Clever of him to keep a low profile.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    As he's also on the run from a UK prison and was caught in the UK, who gets to keep him?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭sjb25


    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    As he's also on the run from a UK prison and was caught in the UK, who gets to keep him?

    Cage straddling to border and lock him into it


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    He got tasered according to The Journal. Delighted for him.

    What happens now - does he stay in the UK and finish serving the sentence he had there, and then come back to ROI and stand trial for the stabbings, or do we get him first and then he's sent back to the UK.

    I know it'll cost, but I'd like him back here to be honest. I'd say he'll get a great welcome in Portlaoise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭somesoldiers


    He got tapered according to The Journal. Delighted for him.

    What happens now - does he stay in the UK and finish serving the sentence he had there, and then come back to ROI and stand trial for the stabbings, or do we get him first and then he's sent back to the UK.

    I know it'll cost, but I'd like him back here to be honest. I'd say he'll get a great welcome in Portlaoise.
    Let the queen put him up instead of the Irish taxpayer


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭eamonnq


    He got tapered according to The Journal. Delighted for him.

    That auld tapering should sort him out.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Let the queen put him up instead of the Irish taxpayer

    Normally, I'd agree, but I'd like to see justice done for the two stabbings and the escape tbh.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    eamonnq wrote: »
    That auld tapering should sort him out.

    Damn phone!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭Sir Osis of Liver.


    Sounds painful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    He got tapered according to The Journal. .

    Tapered.

    Did the PSNI make him less thick at the ends of something? Fair play if they did.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Normally, I'd agree, but I'd like to see justice done for the two stabbings and the escape tbh.

    Attempted murder of a Prison Officer? Not out of the realms of possibility.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    He may be sent back to the U.K. to finish his time, then transfered back here to stand trial for attempted murder.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    He may be sent back to the U.K. to finish his time, then transfered back here to stand trial for attempted murder.

    And that should round off his pathetic life of misery...

    He really is the load his Mum should have swallowed...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Damn it. I was up in belfast city centre today, left at around 3:30pm to come home to dublin....looks like I just missed all the action.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Putting him in hospital in the process, ironic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭tomhalloween


    eamonnq wrote: »
    That auld tapering should sort him out.
    He wont know if his ar** is punched or bored.:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    WTF Tommy Gorman, mentioning that where he was found is very competitively priced.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Didn't exactly keep a low profile once he'd escaped. Good job by the police.


  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Running Balance


    chrysagon wrote: »
    questions should be asked about how inept prison officers seem to be..

    big lad hey sitting there behind your keyboard. Someone run at you with a knife and see how good you are.

    Remember this piece of ****e was breaking out of prision and was like a cornered animal.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    Why did he bother going to Belfast? He could have just sat outside the missing swan in Blackrock


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