Caesarean section.

snipe49

Have any of u had to have a c section done on any of your dog and how much did to cost. ?

hathcock

snipe49 wrote: »

Have any of u had to have a c section done on any of your dog and how much did to cost. ?

Had a springer spaniel bitch in trouble whelping once,couldn't believe it when the vet charged me 350 euro to do a c section,they have you by the short and curlys when you are in that position,and do they know how to squeeze.

snipe49

hathcock wrote: »

Had a springer spaniel bitch in trouble whelping once,couldn't believe it when the vet charged me 350 euro to do a c section,they have you by the short and curlys when you are in that position,and do they know how to squeeze.

That a lot of money. My big old style bitch is in heat and i want to give her my old style dog. I know she'll need a c section to have pups.

EPointer=Birdss

snipe49 wrote: »

That a lot of money. My big old style bitch is in heat and i want to give her my old style dog. I know she'll need a c section to have pups.

Why so? Genuinely curious not been smart.

patton69

just cover the bitch and get her a scan at 5 to 6 weeks and your vet will tell if shew will need 1 or will not know until the time comes have vet on standby dont be afraid to spend a few quid on the bitch she is giving you her litter of pups 350 the price of 1 pup

your some man to be able to predict the future and the vets with all their training experience and equipment cannot they will judge by the dog uterus and if waters break and nothing is coming..

Dawggone

It is far from normal to have a C-section on a bitch... 6 or 8 small pups are a lot easier to have than 1 large offspring.

I can get a c-section on a cow for €150.
Anyone paying more is being had...

snipe49

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Why so? Genuinely curious not been smart.

I lost her last litter.They were so big.

snipe49

patton69 wrote: »

just cover the bitch and get her a scan at 5 to 6 weeks and your vet will tell if shew will need 1 or will not know until the time comes have vet on standby dont be afraid to spend a few quid on the bitch she is giving you her litter of pups 350 the price of 1 pup

your some man to be able to predict the future and the vets with all their training experience and equipment cannot they will judge by the dog uterus and if waters break and nothing is coming..

I'm doing this because her last litter all died ,She had huge big pups but all died.

snipe49

Dawggone wrote: »

It is far from normal to have a C-section on a bitch... 6 or 8 small pups are a lot easier to have than 1 large offspring.

I can get a c-section on a cow for €150.
Anyone paying more is being had...

I know i'm a long time at dogs and never had a c section on any, But this is a big bitch and she makes big pups so i don't want t loose the litter again.

dodderangler

Would there not be any danger to her to have pups again? Especially If they're gonna be big pups
Genuine question

snipe49

dodderangler wrote: »

Would there not be any danger to her to have pups again? Especially If they're gonna be big pups
Genuine question

This is why i will go the c section way os as there,s no risk to her.

EPointer=Birdss

I'd be careful and give it a lot of thought. Could go pear shaped for her and she might not take to the pups. You'll want plenty of time supervising both and be ready to play her role as mother for a few weeks if it doesn't go well...
Tricky situation and depends how badly you want a pup from her I guess.

Capercaille

Dawggone wrote: »

It is far from normal to have a C-section on a bitch... 6 or 8 small pups are a lot easier to have than 1 large offspring.

I can get a c-section on a cow for €150.
Anyone paying more is being had...

150 is that including VAT and drugs? That's very cheap. Local vet charges 250 plus VAT and drugs.

snipe49

snipe49 wrote: »

I'm doing this because her last litter all died ,She had huge big pups but all died.

When did they die? Were they born alive? Is it possible that they died from infection, like fading puppy syndrome? Was it her first litter.

Had a section done on a bitch 2 years ago and it cost €250. Included in that were 2 home visits afterwards.

patton69

snipe49 wrote: »

I'm doing this because her last litter all died ,She had huge big pups but all died.

did she have them naturally

Dawggone

Capercaille wrote: »

150 is that including VAT and drugs? That's very cheap. Local vet charges 250 plus VAT and drugs.

I do a deal with them at the start of the year....they must show their prices like dentists/doctors/solicitors etc.

snipe49

Deleted User wrote: »

When did they die? Were they born alive? Is it possible that they died from infection, like fading puppy syndrome? Was it her first litter.

Had a section done on a bitch 2 years ago and it cost €250. Included in that were 2 home visits afterwards.

The problem she had is one very large pup blocked the way for the rest so when she did give birth they were all dead. But only just.

snipe49

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

I'd be careful and give it a lot of thought. Could go pear shaped for her and she might not take to the pups. You'll want plenty of time supervising both and be ready to play her role as mother for a few weeks if it doesn't go well...
Tricky situation and depends how badly you want a pup from her I guess.

I have 2 very big springers not leggy big boned heavy dogs i'd love to get a litter from them.

tikkahunter

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

I'd be careful and give it a lot of thought. Could go pear shaped for her and she might not take to the pups. You'll want plenty of time supervising both and be ready to play her role as mother for a few weeks if it doesn't go well...
Tricky situation and depends how badly you want a pup from her I guess.

Spot on , my uncle had an absolute disaster with lab pups a few years back , the vet ****ed up the stitching on the bitch and sowed her up like an old football ,he went into the kitchen that evening and the dog was lying there with her intrails out.All the pups had to be hand rared as the bitch was in some state after ,so if you are getting it done make sure your lad is good,might dock them for you as well
As mentioned the bitch might reject them ,that happened to one of the lads in the club after a section.It was her third litter but the other 2 came normally and no problems but with the section ones where just a no go.I only ever heard of 2 other lads down the years in the club that had to get it done and they had no problems with the litters so it is just pot luck , but no harm being prepared.

tikkahunter

snipe49 wrote: »

The problem she had is one very large pup blocked the way for the rest so when she did give birth they were all dead. But only just.

did you try bring them back , when our dog had 13 years ago it was hard for the bitch and see could not manage them as they came out ,so we heated tea towels up in the oven and as they came out we shook them to get the fluid out and get the lungs going and rubbed them down with the tea towels then when they started whining put them down to the bitches mouth, hard going on the bottle feeds to help the bitch out but all 13 survived.Must dig up a few photos of them.

snipe49

tikkahunter wrote: »

did you try bring them back , when our dog had 13 years ago it was hard for the bitch and see could not manage them as they came out ,so we heated tea towels up in the oven and as they came out we shook them to get the fluid out and get the lungs going and rubbed them down with the tea towels then when they started whining put them down to the bitches mouth, hard going on the bottle feeds to help the bitch out but all 13 survived.Must dig up a few photos of them.

Yes i tried everything it was a shame the biggest pup was a bitch almost all liver and huge there were 8 in total.

patton69

have you got pics of the 2 dogs

snipe49

patton69 wrote: »

have you got pics of the 2 dogs

I'll take some.

snipe49

snipe49 wrote: »

Yes i tried everything it was a shame the biggest pup was a bitch almost all liver and huge there were 8 in total.

It is very important to know when to call a vet. They would have been able to deliver the first pup early and then save the rest of the litter. A lot cheaper than a section and better for the bitch.

dodderangler

snipe49 wrote: »

Yes i tried everything it was a shame the biggest pup was a bitch almost all liver and huge there were 8 in total.

Shame it didn't work out.
Worked in a vets for work experience when I was still in school and there was a Yorkie with 7 pups and when she had them only two were moving. So myself and two vets had hot towels and shook and rubbed them hard and all but one started moving and crying.

noeleire

I had to send my staff a fee years to the vet in ucd in dublin she could not deliver the pups her self so they gave her a c section said the pups were to big .. they kept her in over night and when i went to pick her up they gave me a bill for 790 euro ...

snipe49

Deleted User wrote: »

It is very important to know when to call a vet. They would have been able to deliver the first pup early and then save the rest of the litter. A lot cheaper than a section and better for the bitch.

Hindsight is a great think.By my dates she was 3 day early.

snipe49

noeleire wrote: »

I had to send my staff a fee years to the vet in ucd in dublin she could not deliver the pups her self so they gave her a c section said the pups were to big .. they kept her in over night and when i went to pick her up they gave me a bill for 790 euro ...

Yes there robbers in white coats.

hathcock

snipe49 wrote: »

Yes there robbers in white coats.

As I said already,they know how to squeeze.

snipe49

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patton69 wrote: »

have you got pics of the 2 dogs

This is the pair. Pictures are not great. I weighted them both and the dog is 5 stone 1 pound and the bitch is 5 stone 6 pounds she is a few pounds over should be her normal waight which is a wooping 5 stone.

Kells1

I weighted them both and the dog is 5 stone 1 pound and the bitch is 5 stone 6 pounds .[/quote]

By my calculations the bitch weighs roughly 35 kg and the dog around 32 kg....wow. are u sure the scale is working ok. Whatever about 32kg for the dog (he must be huge) 35 kgs for the bitch doesnt sound right to me. I have never ever heard of a purebred springer bitch even come within 10 kgs of the figure you have. Then again theres always a first time

snipe49

Kells1 wrote: »

I weighted them both and the dog is 5 stone 1 pound and the bitch is 5 stone 6 pounds .

By my calculations the bitch weighs roughly 35 kg and the dog around 32 kg....wow. are u sure the scale is working ok. Whatever about 32kg for the dog (he must be huge) 35 kgs for the bitch doesnt sound right to me. I have never ever heard of a purebred springer bitch even come within 10 kgs of the figure you have. Then again theres always a first time[/QUOTE]
Yes the scales are fine . They are big dogs all right she is a little over waight. Im a long time trying to get that stamp of dog. I put them together today so fingers crossed i'll i have there pups.

hathcock

snipe49 wrote: »

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This is the pair. Pictures are not great. I weighted them both and the dog is 5 stone 1 pound and the bitch is 5 stone 6 pounds she is a few pounds over should be her normal waight which is a wooping 5 stone.

Fine pair of dogs,are they good to hunt?

snipe49

noeleire wrote: »

I had to send my staff a fee years to the vet in ucd in dublin she could not deliver the pups her self so they gave her a c section said the pups were to big .. they kept her in over night and when i went to pick her up they gave me a bill for 790 euro ...

I call to see my vet today to discuss what to do. I asked her what she would charge me for a c section 250. But she said she would do a scan at 4 weeks to see first was is she in pup and there size.

snipe49

hathcock wrote: »

Fine pair of dogs,are they good to hunt?

Yes there both honest workers good in cover only problem is she is fond of hunting a little far out at times. Other then that 2 lovely dogs great nature.

tikkahunter

snipe49 wrote: »

Yes there both honest workers good in cover only problem is she is fond of hunting a little far out at times. Other then that 2 lovely dogs great nature.

Did you ever give the collar a bash .I had a lad before and if he was working with a certain bitch I had it could develop into a bit of a race to the bird sometimes but it was only with her .1 day with the collar and it sorted him out .Just a couple of beeps on a medium setting and worked a treat.Two lovely dogs by the way .Some head and neck on that dog.

snipe49

tikkahunter wrote: »

Did you ever give the collar a bash .I had a lad before and if he was working with a certain bitch I had it could develop into a bit of a race to the bird sometimes but it was only with her .1 day with the collar and it sorted him out .Just a couple of beeps on a medium setting and worked a treat.Two lovely dogs by the way .Some head and neck on that dog.

No never did try the collar' she only does it when she know there's snipe coming up ahead so i try to give them a wide birth.

They are beauties. Best of luck with litter.

snipe49

Deleted User wrote: »

They are beauties. Best of luck with litter.

Thank u. Hope all goes well with them.

jimf

what age is your bitch snipe

snipe49

jimf wrote: »

what age is your bitch snipe

She's 4 now.

Kells1

All the best with the litter

jimf

shes a perfect age mate her and get her scanned at 4/5 weeks the vets will be able to give a fair indication of qty pup size at that stage

its quite possible she will go again at 60 days I had a bitch once she was on the button 61days she had 2 litters

a bit of advice I got from an old family friend a vet many years ago was to start taking the bitches temp about a week before she was due a fairly dramatic drop and you could be expecting pups about 12 hours later

then you can be watching her closely for any signs of straining without producing a pup 2/3 hours is about the max I am prepared to leave them

the last litter my bitch had was a c section she was fine after and reared 8 good strong pups and took to them immediately after waking up

good look with the breeding if you decide to go ahead

snipe49

jimf wrote: »

shes a perfect age mate her and get her scanned at 4/5 weeks the vets will be able to give a fair indication of qty pup size at that stage

its quite possible she will go again at 60 days I had a bitch once she was on the button 61days she had 2 litters

a bit of advice I got from an old family friend a vet many years ago was to start taking the bitches temp about a week before she was due a fairly dramatic drop and you could be expecting pups about 12 hours later

then you can be watching her closely for any signs of straining without producing a pup 2/3 hours is about the max I am prepared to leave them

the last litter my bitch had was a c section she was fine after and reared 8 good strong pups and took to them immediately after waking up

good look with the breeding if you decide to go ahead

Thank u for the advice.I put them together today. so fingers crossed.

dodderangler

The bleeding head on them two. They look like big strong dogs. Old type Springers? Believe they're getting rarer and rarer nowadays
Best of luck with the pups

PDAhunter

There sum fine big dogs alrite are they IKC registered

snipe49

PDAhunter wrote: »

There sum fine big dogs alrite are they IKC registered

Got no papers with them but had a look for a chip in the vets yesterday the bitch has none but the dog did and he registered with the IKC so i'll call them to see can i get his papers in my name. The lads i bought them from weren't into papers just old style springers.

snipe49

Look like they did the deed today. Well hope so anyway.