Is it time to retire the national anthem?

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Sheep Lover wrote: »

It's embarrassing actually, a mish mash of clichés and faux patriotic nonsense that could be applied to any country.

If we really have to pander to the west brits, I'd rather see a neutral song like "Danny Boy" or something played. Playing two anthems, and disgracefully, only that bastardised anthem away from home is cringe worthy

Most if not all national anthems are full of faux patriotic nonsense and jingoistic crap. Why should the Irish one be any different or attempt to be more neutral?

Would you or Iwasfrozen have the same complaints about the English anthem?

wow sierra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX4ka-5j2vU

Not a Rugby fan but love this clip.

purplecow1977

K4t wrote: »

I'm Irish but I make more noise singing la marseillaise than abhran na bfhiann. It's epic!

Spelling the title would probably work in your favour, at least somewhat :P

I don't think we need a new anthem.
I am proud of our national anthem.
I don't think the fact it's in Irish makes a difference as to whether anyone sings it or not. Some people are just damn lazy.

kneemos

For all intensive purposes it's not a bad old diddly.

Sheep Lover

My name is URL wrote: »

Most if not all national anthems are full of faux patriotic nonsense and jingoistic crap. Why should the Irish one be any different or attempt to be more neutral?

Would you or Iwasfrozen have the same complaints about the English anthem?

I was talking about Irelands Call.

And the English anthem is shocking, it's like something out of medieval times. All centered around one person, the monarch. God save a person who couldn't give two flying fcuks about you or 99% of his/her citizens. It's a real "put you and your kind" in your place sort of thing.

Iranoutofideas

The only other song I could imagine as our National Anthem is Banana Republic by The Boomtown Rats

Rhys Essien

Sheep Lover wrote: »

I was talking about Irelands Call.

And the English anthem is shocking, it's like something out of medieval times. All centered around one person, the monarch. God save a person who couldn't give two flying fcuks about you or 99% of his/her citizens. It's a real "put you and your kind" in your place sort of thing.

And where half their population probably dont believe in a God now anyway.Its a farce of an anthem.

SpaceTime

The French one is upbeat and can be sung with passion.
Its just a tad extremely violent too!

Ours is a bit lifeless in comparison. It lack a bit of umph!

Osborne

Rhys Essien wrote: »

And where half their population probably dont believe in a God now anyway.Its a farce of an anthem.

More or less farcical than an anthem in a language the majority of the population do not speak?

But yeah, it's still shít.

SpaceTime

If you ever compare the wording of this preambles of the French and Irish constitutions you'll get a sense of how France was setup on Republican ideals and has a very strong basis in what a modern country should be while ours reads like the preamble to Mass! It's shockingly religious.

We could do with Republic of Ireland 2.0 at this stage. Version 1.1 is still full of bugs and legacy code from the monarchy days.

A catchier anthem would be good too!

mailforkev

The tune is good, the ending in particular is pretty rousing.

Needs English lyrics though so people can sing along.

NomadicGray

kneemos wrote: »

For all intensive purposes it's not a bad old diddly.

I'd agree, bad ones are a diamond dozen

SpaceTime

An anthem has to be catchy and sing along material.

Ireland's Call sounds like the Frog Chorus.

Win or lose, sink or swim
One thing is certain well never give in
Side by side, hand in hand
We all stand together
Play the game, fight the fight...

That's it isn't it?

dellas1979

Why should the national anthem of your country be changed 'cause you (and these "others") didnt bothered your arse to learn it?

/someone hand this man some personal responsibility.

SpaceTime

dellas1979 wrote: »

Why should the national anthem of your country be changed 'cause you (and these "others") didnt bothered your arse to learn it?

Much like anything else, it's about marketing.

If people don't learn it, it's obviously not catchy enough.

You'd find yourself singing this French one without even knowing what the words mean or having any affiliation to France because it's just so catchy.

looksee

The Soldier's Song - Words / Lyrics


We'll sing a song, a soldier's song,
With cheering rousing chorus,
As round our blazing fires we throng,
The starry heavens o'er us;
Impatient for the coming fight,
And as we wait the morning's light,
Here in the silence of the night,
We'll chant a soldier's song.

Chorus:
Soldiers are we , whose lives are pledged to Ireland;
Some have come from a land beyond the wave.
Sworn to be free, No more our ancient sire land
Shall shelter the despot or the slave.
Tonight we man the gap of danger
In Erin's cause, come woe or weal
'Mid cannons' roar and rifles peal,
We'll chant a soldier's song.

In valley green, on towering crag,
Our fathers fought before us,
And conquered 'neath the same old flag
That's proudly floating o'er us.
We're children of a fighting race,
That never yet has known disgrace,
And as we march, the foe to face,
We'll chant a soldier's song.

Chorus

Sons of the Gael! Men of the Pale!
The long watched day is breaking;
The serried ranks of Inisfail
Shall set the Tyrant quaking.
Our camp fires now are burning low;
See in the east a silv'ry glow,
Out yonder waits the Saxon foe,
So chant a soldier's song.


Yeah, no violence or medieval attitudes there. The Brits are out there waiting to jump on us...

purplecow1977

mailforkev wrote: »

The tune is good, the ending in particular is pretty rousing.

Needs English lyrics though so people can sing along.

Or people could just bother to learn the Irish lyrics?! ?!??!?!?!?

dellas1979

SpaceTime wrote: »

Much like anything else, it's about marketing.

If people don't learn it, it's obviously not catchy enough.

You'd find yourself singing this French one without even knowing what the words mean or having any affiliation to France because it's just so catchy.

I know the words of La Marseillaise (because I speak French).

But I also know the Irish anthem, because I am proud to be Irish.

My overall favourites for tunage are the New Zealand and South African anthems.

SpaceTime

The French one is even worse..

Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts

To arms citizens Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows

What do they want this horde of slaves
Of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains
These long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What methods must be taken?
It is us they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!

What! These foreign cohorts!
They would make laws in our courts!
What! These mercenary phalanxes
Would cut down our warrior sons
Good Lord! By chained hands
Our brow would yield under the yoke
The vile despots would have themselves be
The masters of destiny

Tremble, tyrants and traitors
The shame of all good men
Tremble! Your parricidal schemes
Will receive their just reward
Against you we are all soldiers
If they fall, our young heros
France will bear new ones
Ready to join the fight against you...

And so on for several more verses....

kneemos

dellas1979 wrote: »

Why should the national anthem of your country be changed 'cause you (and these "others") didnt bothered your arse to learn it?

/someone hand this man some personal responsibility.

I tried once,too hard.

dellas1979

kneemos wrote: »

I tried once,too hard.

At least you tried/took initiative to learn it.

OldMrBrennan83

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Dyr

Un Croissant wrote: »

I'm watching the match in a pub and 5 French women made more noise during the singing than the rest of the pub.

Is it time to retire the anthem for something new....in English?

Didn't think you'd get much french interest in a kilkenny - cork league match.

mailforkev

purplecow1977 wrote: »

Or people could just bother to learn the Irish lyrics?! ?!??!?!?!?

In theory I'm with you as I'd love to know the lyrics but I'd have to learn the language to learn the lyrics.

It's a nice romantic view of Dev's Ireland to wish we all spoke Irish but a vast majority of us don't, so best to face reality and work from where we are.

The Irish language has never been a part of me or my family's history for many generations so we've moved on.

It's unfortunate because I do think the tune is a great one as anthems go.

looksee

SpaceTime wrote: »

The French one is even worse..

Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts

.........
And so on for several more verses....

lol, I'll grant you that one :eek:

Bored_lad

No we shouldn't change the anthem because people can't be bothered to learn it. Its easy to learn even if you don't know Irish which is something everyone should be able to speak to reasonable level as well.

looksee

Ireland's call is just embarrasing, getting two goes at an anthem. Unless its against New Zealand, it could be played while they hakka.

Vandango

Un Croissant wrote: »

Is it time to retire the national anthem?

Christ we've surrendered most of our sovereignty to the EU. So maybe let's just leave the anthem alone.

suicide_circus

To the people who start cheering before the anthem actually ends....

SHUT THE FCUK UP YOU IGNORANT SHIITBAGS

Tugboats

Disappointing 1-0 defeat.